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Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#961 » by hillbilly hare » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:40 am

BCfortheWin wrote:Theres no doubt about it BC has made a lot of mistakes and miscalculations. But at the time of his moves, we all could see the justification behind it, and those same people calling for his head now, were saying "BC is God" then.
Remember?

Not trading Bosh set us back big time. It was a huge mistake, but I think many of us were fooled into thinking he would resign, including BC. Which is why i can kinda excuse and forgive him for it. Him signing with Miami came outta nowhere!

Also gambling on JO was another mistake, but again, the thinking behind it was something most of us liked and were on board with. A possible healthy JO with a prime Bosh would've terrorized opposing frontcourts. Unfortunately we all know how that turned out.

The Hedo signing was obviously another major mistake, but again the thinking was that Hedo who just months earlier played like a STAR in the NBA Finals, would be a difference maker for the Raps. Many of you were onboard with the signing too, but very easily switched positions when he played like shhit. Again that move backfired on us.

My point is, if any of BC's ideas above panned out for us, we probably wouldnt be in our current position. He screwed up, no doubt about it, but he's still pretty young and im sure he's learned from his mistakes. He's a basketball mind with a basketball pedigree, and despite his mistakes, i'd still take the wait and see approach with him. I'd see what trades he makes before the deadline, before i decide whether to extend or release him.


Not me. I've been called a lot worse, but "broken record" might be the family version. When he was brutal I said so. Which was easy and often. Gave him props on the TJ trade, but there wasn't much else.

Absolutely untrue that most people or some people or anyone beyond Hedo's immediately family thought it was a good signing. Maybe some fans did, but I don't recall the huge outpouring of Turko love. For a professional GM the concept was incredibly inept. To one of the softest frontcourts in recent NBA history you add an even softer frontcourt player who needed a compass to find the paint? A guy who showed some talent only playing alongside the biggest toughest in the paint presence in the league? Head-shakingly bad concept.

Jermaine? "Possible healthy Jermaine"? Anybody with a TV or an internet connection knew that he was old before his time, hadn't been playing full seasons for a while, hobbled like a cowboy with hemorrhoids, had half a knee. And was being paid 22 million to boot. A trade so bad that it rivaled the Vince trade in its putridity. How could a GM as experienced as Colangelo not know that Jermaine was a walking emergency ward? Hell, even go to nab dot com and pull up his stats for the years previous when he was playing half seasons.

Bosh? Head in the sand is an expression that comes to mind. Why other GMs and not Colangelo? Why were other guys gauging trades and taking offers and getting commitments or non commitments from Melo and Deron and Paul and Howard and so on? And our GM wasn't? And neither was the Cavs GM, you say? Right you are. And Ferry is no longer the Cavs GM. You fail, you're fired. Accountability. For Bosh and for so much else, Colangelo must go.

The guy has been a disaster. Period.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#962 » by shmoosicle » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:04 pm

I think he should be fired because of the DeRozan extension. It proves that he hasn't learned from his mistakes. He is still bidding against himself in the hope that his signings will reach their "potential" rather than signing them for what they actually contribute or waiting to see what offers they get in the free market.

I liked his moves in the off-season, I liked the Fields signing even though that has backfired so far. Fields can still come back and be a good player. But he is blinded by his high draft picks. He gives them too many minutes and opportunities based on what number they were chosen.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#963 » by bankshot11 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:31 pm

Bryan Colangelo is the easiest gm agents negotiate with. All agents say is look long term this kid has superstar potential. i know Calderon agent said the same thing and colangelo believed it lol. kyle lowry wanted a payday, that's why he really came here.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#964 » by Indeed » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:36 pm

shmoosicle wrote:I think he should be fired because of the DeRozan extension. It proves that he hasn't learned from his mistakes. He is still bidding against himself in the hope that his signings will reach their "potential" rather than signing them for what they actually contribute or waiting to see what offers they get in the free market.

I liked his moves in the off-season, I liked the Fields signing even though that has backfired so far. Fields can still come back and be a good player. But he is blinded by his high draft picks. He gives them too many minutes and opportunities based on what number they were chosen.


DeRozan's contract is fine, and it has conditions based on his performance.

The problem with BC is, he has so many priorities, which leaves little flexibility for the lineup.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#965 » by Big Shot » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:43 pm

Not only that he should be fired, he should be put on fire just to make sure no other teams get hurt by hiring him again. :)
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#966 » by bankshot11 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:48 pm

Big Shot wrote:Not only that he should be fired, he should be put on fire just to make sure no other teams get hurt by hiring him again. :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: i hope he gets fired and goes to Miami. The league would be wide open again
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#967 » by Snakeyes » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:12 pm

"He's a respected GM around the league" has got to be one of the most hilarious pro-Colangelo arguments I've seen. :lol:
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#968 » by Scase » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:56 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:The Lowry trade was terrible, and I say that stipulating 2 points;

1) I like Lowry. He's our best player.
2) On paper, it might be close to value for value if the pick ends up middling.

But it's another in a long string of what I've termed BC's win-the-battle-lose-the-war moves, dating back to Rasho.

Its like getting a great deal on central air conditioning at the North Pole. The value is semantic if it doesn't fit the situation, and this doesn't fit ours.

He's never rebuilt, because a rebuild takes commitment and commitment isn't his game, excepting when it inexplicably becomes his mantra re: Bargs. We keep spinning our wheels, going nowhere, serving only to take the money from our patrons while providing the better teams with wins and the lesser teams with lottery balls.

For the record, BC going is much more important than Bargs going. Bargs is just the supergalactic sized symptom of the greater problem. A new GM, assuming it isn't just a continuance of of the old regime under different slogans, will be able to assess how best to deal with him. Remove the organizational need to contextualize any and all things in terms of how they affect Andrea Bargnani, and he becomes an overpaid, underworked one- dimensional player, period. Not good, but not the systemic cluster**** he's been to us as things stand.

IMO Val is the only guy I'd commit to at this point. I'd be looking to take on empty contracts, move anyone else, and accumulate draft picks. And buckle our seats for a few seasons of real, actual rebuilding.

Or we can keep never-rebuilding-while-constantly-complaining-about-rebuilding-under-the-assumption-that-incompetence-means-rebuilding cycle which has worked so well for us, I'd almost be nostalgic at its passing.

I don't think I'd call it terrible, so much as terribly timed.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#969 » by Mehar » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:20 pm

First of all, where are all the Landry Fields lovers who loved the signing your hero Colangelo pulled off in the summertime, which was mocked around the league by writers in the States and the New York Knicks fans in particular? I got into a lot of back and forth exchanges with the Colangelo lovers, who said it was a Shane Battier type signing, and that 19 M over 3 years, including 8.5 M in the last year was a great move for a starting SF (LOL)! I thought he should have been fired immediately after that move after seeing Fields play last year. There was a reason the Knicks were only offering him a two year deal around 3 M a season.

Anyways, to all the Colangelo lovers and apologists, the man has had damn near 7 years to get things right. In any other city, he would have been fired a couple of years ago. There was even a Board Member back in 2010 of MLSE (forgot the guy's name) that wanted Colangelo gone, but Tanenbaum wanted BC for an another two years and won that power struggle. Wish MLSE would have listened to that Board Member (someone help me out the name). After 7 years, look at the man's record. There has been 5 seasons of missed playoffs (this team will not make it this year). Look at the signings that destroyed the cap (27-28 M of our cap, damn 50% of it, is tied up in DD, Fields, Kleiza and Amir) for next year already). Look at the trades that did not work out (O'neal costing us a first pick in Hibbert), and now Lowry (who i like) costing us a potential top lottery pick in 2013. I never realized the pick was only
protected (1-3). BC lost our star player Bosh for a bag of peanuts, after the year previously giving Miami Heat the cap space to sign the Big 3, by

taking back Marcus Banks and Marion for O'neal. BC then let go of
Marion, who later said he would have stayed, but BC did not want to pay Marion 34 M over 4 year; but went instead to pay Hedo 53 M over 5 years! He fired Sam Mitchell after an 8-9 start, and brought in Triano, who did not get the job done for three seasons. There is no justification for him to remain after this year. Him and his yes men all need to be fired. The organization needs to be blown up from top to bottom. You got guys like Jim Kelley there for so many years, with no results to show for it. Start fresh with a new GM, new coach, build around Jonas, tank next year properly; get rid of Bargnani, Calderon, Kleiza, Fields, etc., for a bag of balls to get these contracts off the books. Hopefully this team can compete in three years with Jonas and Andrew Wiggins or an another star draft pick from the 2014 draft, along with the proper free agent signings.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#970 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:31 am

I wonder if we did this poll again whether Colangelo would still get 17%.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#971 » by dballislife » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:43 am

change needs to come eventually, we cant break the core thats all we have, with jonas, lowry, demar, bargs, ed, amir, and ross...thats not a horrible beginning.....so its time to start over with BC and casey, these two aren't doing there jobs...i think they'll have this year to see how things go, but if this continues...they're both gone 100%
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#972 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:51 am

dballislife wrote:change needs to come eventually, we cant break the core thats all we have, with jonas, lowry, demar, bargs, ed, amir, and ross...thats not a horrible beginning.....so its time to start over with BC and casey, these two aren't doing there jobs...i think they'll have this year to see how things go, but if this continues...they're both gone 100%


The problem with this is that by the end of year Calderon will be extended give more years for big dollars, Val will be traded for the ghost of Dirk Nowitzki, and that kid who just set the NCAA scoring record will be signed for 10M per year.
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Post#973 » by dTox » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:51 am

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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#974 » by Copernicus » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:52 am

ok. i only believe that bc should be fired for the aforementioned reasons.
i've supported management's moves in a cautiously optimistic manner throughout bc's tenure. but the final straw that broke the camel''s three humps was ignoring draymond in this draft. i'll say it as many times as i need to before the masses realize the error of our franchise. we must be better than this. we are better this. we deserve something that is truthful, and is sincere. this has gone beyond measure- raptor fans have suffered by seeing players that should have been ours thrive elsewhere.
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Post#975 » by visionquest » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:53 am

Should have been fired on a Sunday morning. Banging my head.

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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#976 » by Tough Tony D » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:56 am

Should be fired. But knowing the Raptors they'll just hire someone just as bad or worse. So what's the point anyway? We'll still get screwed no matter what.

Its not like Babcock and his VC trade, drafting of Araujo, Villanueva and Joey Graham were any better. We hope for the best, but we know we'll get the worse.
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Post#977 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:05 am

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Oh and just like Isiah they've been losing ever since
It's been a long, a long time coming
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Cause I don't know what's up there beyond the sky
It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will

I go to atdhenet and I go downtown
Better teams keep telling me don't hang around
It's been a long, a long time coming
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#978 » by Attonitus » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:15 am

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players. This revolving door of finishers is ridiculas, Casey should know by now who to go to but it seems like a f**king free for all late in the game, so nodody helps and it gets ugly. This team is one big missed shot from every game, that's not acceptable.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#979 » by Mehar » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:23 am

Mehar wrote:First of all, where are all the Landry Fields lovers who loved the signing your hero Colangelo pulled off in the summertime, which was mocked around the league by writers in the States and the New York Knicks fans in particular? I got into a lot of back and forth exchanges with the Colangelo lovers, who said it was a Shane Battier type signing, and that 19 M over 3 years, including 8.5 M in the last year was a great move for a starting SF (LOL)! I thought he should have been fired immediately after that move after seeing Fields play last year. There was a reason the Knicks were only offering him a two year deal around 3 M a season.

Anyways, to all the Colangelo lovers and apologists, the man has had damn near 7 years to get things right. In any other city, he would have been fired a couple of years ago. There was even a Board Member back in 2010 of MLSE (forgot the guy's name) that wanted Colangelo gone, but Tanenbaum wanted BC for an another two years and won that power struggle. Wish MLSE would have listened to that Board Member (someone help me out the name). After 7 years, look at the man's record. There has been 5 seasons of missed playoffs (this team will not make it this year). Look at the signings that destroyed the cap (27-28 M of our cap, damn 50% of it, is tied up in DD, Fields, Kleiza and Amir) for next year already). Look at the trades that did not work out (O'neal costing us a first pick in Hibbert), and now Lowry (who i like) costing us a potential top lottery pick in 2013. I never realized the pick was only
protected (1-3). BC lost our star player Bosh for a bag of peanuts, after the year previously giving Miami Heat the cap space to sign the Big 3, by

taking back Marcus Banks and Marion for O'neal. BC then let go of
Marion, who later said he would have stayed, but BC did not want to pay Marion 34 M over 4 year; but went instead to pay Hedo 53 M over 5 years! He fired Sam Mitchell after an 8-9 start, and brought in Triano, who did not get the job done for three seasons. There is no justification for him to remain after this year. Him and his yes men all need to be fired. The organization needs to be blown up from top to bottom. You got guys like Jim Kelley there for so many years, with no results to show for it. Start fresh with a new GM, new coach, build around Jonas, tank next year properly; get rid of Bargnani, Calderon, Kleiza, Fields, etc., for a bag of balls to get these contracts off the books. Hopefully this team can compete in three years with Jonas and Andrew Wiggins or an another star draft pick from the 2014 draft, along with the proper free agent signings.


In a follow up, if anyone knows the name of the Board Member who wanted Colangelo fired in 2010, and was involved in a power struggle with Tanenbaum, who wanted to keep Colangelo, please let me know? I want to write that board member personally and reach out to him to explain all the mistakes this clown Colangelo, or (BC= Big Clown as i call him) has made. I want to write to him on behalf of our #Fire BC coalition that has developed. I am actually happy for once that we have this unity on this board regarding this goofball of a GM. This unity brings a tear to my eye. In the words of Obama who campained with the slogan Forward, i say that we must look Forward and not backward, and the only way Forward is for this team to clean house from top to bottom. This entire organization needs a wrecking ball and a fresh start.
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Re: Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired 

Post#980 » by Scase » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:23 am

Attonitus wrote:Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players. This revolving door of finishers is ridiculas, Casey should know by now who to go to but it seems like a f**king free for all late in the game, so nodody helps and it gets ugly. This team is one big missed shot from every game, that's not acceptable.

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