Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Just curious, based on what?

I'm interested as well. Bruno is completely lost on defense, but I can't see why it would take him 4 years to learn it. Offensively he could already play limited minutes.

I think he's at least a couple seasons away from contributing more than 15mpg for sure. He needs to learn a completely new language from scratch, get stronger, learn defensive schemes... Not to mention he has to strengthen other parts of his individual game to an NBA level... That's a lot.

He's very talented for sure, but Giannis Antetokounmpo was miles ahead of him at the same age - not to mention he was thrown into a good situation for him - a team that can afford to give him playing time right away.

P.S. Having all of this in mind, why aren't we sending Bruno to D-League?! Is travelling/praciticing with Raptors and sitting on a bench during games for such a raw guy like Bruno really more beneficial than ACTUAL PLAYING TIME?

This is going to sound harsh and people will think I'm anti Bruno, I'm not. I do think KJ would have helped us more, but I'm not mad at taking a chance with the Bruno pick. However, I think people see the length and the 3pt shot, the intrigue and mystique and hype it up and then project more than they should. For example, the reason I think Bruno doesn't go to the D-League, as that at this point, he wouldn't get minutes there either, unless we could force the coach to give them to him. He still has to defend, he still has to dribble and he still has to understand what's going on and be able to communicate. They don't even have Bruno in scrimmages from what I've read. He's just doing individual skills stuff. If posters here think he's going to go to the D-league and light it up, I just don't think so. And I think that's why they see no sense in sending him down there.

He may still become good NBA player, but it is going to take a lot to get there.

[Bankai]

Maybe Daniels and the Aussie league is a different case , but Masai said multiple times that he doesent believe in sending guys to Europe or the nbdl just for development. That's why I think Bruno and be be stays. It's better to stay with the team and learn from them , then learn from a different team and then readjust here. If you are part of the overall plan that is. Not sureif Masai sees Deandre Daniels as part of the plan still. Even if Bruno is better than some prospects it would be hard for him to get development on a nbdl team that has prospects from 12 other nba teams like the mad ants, too crowded, it's better to stay for Bruno.

[JonasVFTW]

Said this before. Bruno was and is the perfect pick for this team. Anyone else we would have gotten at 20 would not have broken our deep rotation. In that case, you have a guy that was used to owning his NCAA team, not getting any minutes. At the very best, that guy would have turned into your 9th guy on your bench.

Now you get a guy that may not pan out, but potentially has all the physical attributes to be a beast. We can take our time and "evaluate". If it doesn't work out, at this point, we are no worse off. If he takes that next step, which he might, we have a significant piece 2 or 3 years from now. It was a brilliant pick.

[Lateral Quicks]

I think Bruno would do well in the D-League. He was fine in summer league. As I've said before, I think the real reason they're keeping him with the team is because his two main priorities at this point are adjusting to the culture/language and putting on mass, and it's much easier to do those things properly with an NBA-calibre staff/resources.

The big thing holding back Bruno right now is defense. He's totally lost, which isn't surprising given his age and history. If he could play defense, he'd be in the rotation today IMO because I think his 3-point shot is already NBA ready.

[ATLTimekeeper]

As long as they have a plan, I'm okay with their decisions. Originally we were going to get our own Dleague team and then the next thing we hear Leweike is jumping ship and we're now just affiliated with the Dleague equivalent of a rooming house. I feel like we're a month away from a big MLSE media push to make a "go for it" trade, where Ross and JV will be sold as "not quite there" and Bruno as "an attractive throw-in."

[whatamoron]

The number # 1 thing holding Bruno back is BeBe, how can Bruno learn to
communicate in English if he sends most of his time talking with his buddy
BeBe in their native language.
To learn a new language you must practice it constantly, I don't think
Bruno is doing that. How can he learn to play defence when he doesn't
understand his coaches instructions.

[Kenyon009]

As long as they have a plan, I'm okay with their decisions. Originally we were going to get our own Dleague team and then the next thing we hear Leweike is jumping ship and we're now just affiliated with the Dleague equivalent of a rooming house. I feel like we're a month away from a big MLSE media push to make a "go for it" trade, where Ross and JV will be sold as "not quite there" and Bruno as "an attractive throw-in."

I don't think Masai would just auction off JV or gut the team. Why fix something that isn't broken we are projected to get 60 wins this season if we continue with the trend. We have two all stars, future all star in JV, and amazing role players from Lou, Ross, JJ, Johnson, Patman, Vasquez, and then Bebe and Bruno will contribute in a year or two as well. If you can pick up a star for someone outside of Lowry, DeRozan, and Jv you do it but we're very good without one.

[_eagle]

Amir Johnson played 3 games as a rookie in 2005-06. The next year he played in a total of 8 games. I think you'll see a similar progress with Bruno. If the Raps can stay healthy, he'll stay on as the 15th man, but if they start to get hit with the injury bug, I think he'll be d-league bound, with the Raps bringing in 1 or 2 more nba refined 10-day contract types to fill the bench. Hope that doesn't happen.

[CoachJReturns]

Just for anyone who thinks Bruno isn't involved in scrimmages, I'm pretty sure he is. Saw him scrimmaging at the open practice, though he clearly doesn't get a lot of scrimmage time. He can't handle the ball, so until his defensive awareness improves, he's basically sticking behind the 3 point line and maybe getting out on the fast break. He needs time. Of course, I'd be ecstatic if he were ready to be a starting small forward next year and we could deal Ross for a power forward, but that's asking too much.

[CoachJReturns]

The number # 1 thing holding Bruno back is BeBe, how can Bruno learn to
communicate in English if he sends most of his time talking with his buddy
BeBe in their native language.
To learn a new language you must practice it constantly, I don't think
Bruno is doing that. How can he learn to play defence when he doesn't
understand his coaches instructions.

You just blamed two guys from the same country for hanging out together in Canada? Seriously? Have you never met someone new to Canada? lol. I get your point that Bruno needs to spend time with people who speak more English. That's absolutely true, but you can't expect him and Bebe to not hang out. Bebe is also the next youngest player on the team, so it's only natural they would get along easy enough. That being said I'd love for Chuck to hang with Bruno. Give him some of that old man skill and awareness.

[m83588333]

The number # 1 thing holding Bruno back is BeBe, how can Bruno learn to
communicate in English if he sends most of his time talking with his buddy
BeBe in their native language.
To learn a new language you must practice it constantly, I don't think
Bruno is doing that. How can he learn to play defence when he doesn't
understand his coaches instructions.

You just blamed two guys from the same country for hanging out together in Canada? Seriously? Have you never met someone new to Canada? lol. I get your point that Bruno needs to spend time with people who speak more English. That's absolutely true, but you can't expect him and Bebe to not hang out. Bebe is also the next youngest player on the team, so it's only natural they would get along easy enough. That being said I'd love for Chuck to hang with Bruno. Give him some of that old man skill and awareness.

Chuck hanging out with Bruno is creepy

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Just for anyone who thinks Bruno isn't involved in scrimmages, I'm pretty sure he is. Saw him scrimmaging at the open practice, though he clearly doesn't get a lot of scrimmage time. He can't handle the ball, so until his defensive awareness improves, he's basically sticking behind the 3 point line and maybe getting out on the fast break. He needs time. Of course, I'd be ecstatic if he were ready to be a starting small forward next year and we could deal Ross for a power forward, but that's asking too much.

Bruno said he isn't.

[thunderforce]

The more I think about it the more that I think Bebe and Bruno are going to become trade bait . We are close to being strong enough to come out of the east now lets be real here to win it all we need good veteran players that can help us . We will not win with 2 players on our roster that we can't play at all , it weakens our team too much . Whoever we get should be in their prime not over the hill and we should be going over the cap too .

[m83588333]

The more I think about it the more that I think Bebe and Bruno are going to become trade bait . We are close to being strong enough to come out of the east now lets be real here to win it all we need good veteran players that can help us . We will not win with 2 players on our roster that we can't play at all , it weakens our team too much . Whoever we get should be in their prime not over the hill and we should be going over the cap too .

If they're trade bait, were getting Rasual back. Fields,TH and Hayes expirings are more valuable then either. Nobody with a good player is trading them to tank by playing our Brazilian Duo a lot. Salary don't work either.

[thunderforce]

The more I think about it the more that I think Bebe and Bruno are going to become trade bait . We are close to being strong enough to come out of the east now lets be real here to win it all we need good veteran players that can help us . We will not win with 2 players on our roster that we can't play at all , it weakens our team too much . Whoever we get should be in their prime not over the hill and we should be going over the cap too .

If they're trade bait, were getting Rasual back. Fields,TH and Hayes expirings are more valuable then either. Nobody with a good player is trading them to tank by playing our Brazilian Duo a lot. Salary don't work either.

You think bad teams don't want young players and picks ?

[m83588333]

The more I think about it the more that I think Bebe and Bruno are going to become trade bait . We are close to being strong enough to come out of the east now lets be real here to win it all we need good veteran players that can help us . We will not win with 2 players on our roster that we can't play at all , it weakens our team too much . Whoever we get should be in their prime not over the hill and we should be going over the cap too .

If they're trade bait, were getting Rasual back. Fields,TH and Hayes expirings are more valuable then either. Nobody with a good player is trading them to tank by playing our Brazilian Duo a lot. Salary don't work either.

You don't think bad teams don't want young players and picks ?

Bad teams have nothing to offer back. Neither will get Tobias Harris since it would mean more tanking for Orlando. TWolves would give up KMart but a second rounder would get KMart too.

[Chriscross]

The more I think about it the more that I think Bebe and Bruno are going to become trade bait . We are close to being strong enough to come out of the east now lets be real here to win it all we need good veteran players that can help us . We will not win with 2 players on our roster that we can't play at all , it weakens our team too much . Whoever we get should be in their prime not over the hill and we should be going over the cap too .

I am glad Masai doesn't have to the same train of thought as you do tbh

Someone's whose vision is both short-term and long-term. Someone who values cheap, relatively riskless assets with potential. Someone who doesn't just think about the next year or two. Someone who understands asset management and maximizing a player's value

[chuckdevlin]

Will Bruno and Bebe get time in the rotation to end the season?

[Tortiglioni]

Will Bruno and Bebe get time in the rotation to end the season?

[chuckdevlin]

Lol it'd make sense to see if Bebe can fill in as a 3rd string C or PF.

Also to see if Caboclo can be a 3rd string SF or SG for spacing off the bench.

To see if we'd need to fill in these roles in the offseason