Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[nikster]

This thinking that Barnes not getting enough shots up is going to hinder his development is nonsensical. The idea that development is tied to shot attempts isn't even accurate to begin with. But even if we accept it as true, Barnes is averaging 13.2 per game which is great for a rookie, 2nd only to Jalen Green in his class and WELL ahead of current star players in their rookie seasons. On top of that, the message from Nurse has constantly been for him to be even more aggressive looking for his own shot. He has the green light to take more offensive responsibility.

Look at the shot attempts:

Kawhi Leonard:


Giannis:


Jaylen Brown:


George:


Butler:


Harden:


Jokic:


Siakam:


OG:


Plenty of shots and minutes for Barnes:


Who knows where Barnes will end up as a player, but his development won't be hindered by a lack of opportunity.

How much of Scottie's shot attempts are off loose ball or offensive rebounds though/

He gets similar amount of points off turnovers and 2nd chance points as most of these players when they were taking that many shots per game

[Kingsway_fan]

Less selfishness and more passing by other starters will lead to easier and more open shots for Scottie... right now I don't see him getting a lot of easy looks.

[vulture]

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[Young Moosehead]

Scottie had 10 three point attempts in the first 10 games of the season but hasn't attempted a single one in the last 3 games.
Need him to attempt at least one per game.
His mid range jumper is already looking silky smooth. Need him to be more confident and aggressive shooting the ball. Will open the floor for the rest of the team as well.

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

[Young_Buc]

Scottie had 10 three point attempts in the first 10 games of the season but hasn't attempted a single one in the last 3 games.
Need him to attempt at least one per game.
His mid range jumper is already looking silky smooth. Need him to be more confident and aggressive shooting the ball. Will open the floor for the rest of the team as well.

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

How him and OG are not posting up on the block a significant chunk of time is beyond me. I remember a game OG only started dominating from the post when Scottie was feeding him. Scottie sat, post ups stopped.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Scottie had 10 three point attempts in the first 10 games of the season but hasn't attempted a single one in the last 3 games.
Need him to attempt at least one per game.
His mid range jumper is already looking silky smooth. Need him to be more confident and aggressive shooting the ball. Will open the floor for the rest of the team as well.

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

How him and OG are not posting up on the block a significant chunk of time is beyond me. I remember a game OG only started dominating from the post when Scottie was feeding him. Scottie sat, post ups stopped.

OG is shooting 31% on post-ups. He's also not getting any calls in the paint. They shouldn't feature this, only use it to exploit bad switches.

[Young Moosehead]

This thinking that Barnes not getting enough shots up is going to hinder his development is nonsensical. The idea that development is tied to shot attempts isn't even accurate to begin with. But even if we accept it as true, Barnes is averaging 13.2 per game which is great for a rookie, 2nd only to Jalen Green in his class and WELL ahead of current star players in their rookie seasons. On top of that, the message from Nurse has constantly been for him to be even more aggressive looking for his own shot. He has the green light to take more offensive responsibility.

Look at the shot attempts:

Kawhi Leonard:


Giannis:


Jaylen Brown:


George:


Butler:


Harden:


Jokic:


Siakam:


OG:


Plenty of shots and minutes for Barnes:


Who knows where Barnes will end up as a player, but his development won't be hindered by a lack of opportunity.

How much of Scottie's shot attempts are off loose ball or offensive rebounds though/

He gets similar amount of points off turnovers and 2nd chance points as most of these players when they were taking that many shots per game

I kinda doubt that. We are leading the league in deflections by a margin. We are second in steals to GSW with 10.5 to their 10.6. We're second in opponent turnover per possession. We are second in transition offense. Our offense is based off of the idea of building off the defense to hopefully get a double digit shot advantage, which will mean more shot opportunities for all players. Not all of them teams those guys played for were playing to that goal.

Also, Scottie gets 3 O boards a night. More than any player on that list in their rookie year (except Jokic). Only Jokic has ever averaged more than 3 or more offensive boards in a season, let alone did it as a rookie. Most of them averaged 1 offensive board, so he is likely earning 2 extra shots a night over the players listed

[Young Moosehead]

Scottie had 10 three point attempts in the first 10 games of the season but hasn't attempted a single one in the last 3 games.
Need him to attempt at least one per game.
His mid range jumper is already looking silky smooth. Need him to be more confident and aggressive shooting the ball. Will open the floor for the rest of the team as well.

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

How him and OG are not posting up on the block a significant chunk of time is beyond me. I remember a game OG only started dominating from the post when Scottie was feeding him. Scottie sat, post ups stopped.

I think I know the game you were talking about. I forget who we were playing against but OG and Scottie took turns operating around the foul line. One time OG was posting up Scottie curled to the FT line, OG passed out and Scottie hit the shot. Same game he made the same curl to the same spot but passed it back to OG for a wide open shot.

Laughing at the idea we both have young in our names, but we have both been here for 15+ years.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

people worrying about his shot attempts in his rookie year is laughable. dude is a starter and playing against NBA starters already AND isn't on a lottery driven team - mind you tWo still exists lmao.

[Indeed]

Scottie had 10 three point attempts in the first 10 games of the season but hasn't attempted a single one in the last 3 games.
Need him to attempt at least one per game.
His mid range jumper is already looking silky smooth. Need him to be more confident and aggressive shooting the ball. Will open the floor for the rest of the team as well.

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

How him and OG are not posting up on the block a significant chunk of time is beyond me. I remember a game OG only started dominating from the post when Scottie was feeding him. Scottie sat, post ups stopped.

Banton was passing to OG, and OG was the only player to create for the bench with the no other starter. I guess OG is still not very consistent (understandable being new in creating his shot), perhaps that is the reason other starters would take over.

Teams are also doubling OG and Barnes, where they are getting turnovers due to the lack of spacing. Last game Dragic pass the ball to OG in the high post, and his man went over for steal. Dragic isn't a bad 3 point shooter, while the corner guy didn't move out to clear the court. Perhaps because of the lack of experience and lack of spacing, some are just standing without understanding the spacing.

The only issue I have is that we didn't base on weaker defender, but pre-defined who goes next. For example, we (Siakam/OG/Barnes) go against Grant directly when we probably have a better matchup.

[sidsid]

I don't really mind the amount of shots he gets. Yes, he'll need to work on moves in the half-court, but that's stuff you can also work on in the offseason.

Setting him up on the block makes it easy for doubles and because we don't have much motion in the offense they're easy to force the ball out or turnovers. Laughed when he was screaming and pointing for Boucher to cut and he didn't do anything so Scottie had to put a quick shot up.

The stuff that interests me more are leveraging his decision making. Just having him touch the ball more during possessions so that he can make a read even if he doesn't finish with it. For now the DHOs are where you see some of that. Again, rejigging the entire offense isn't in the cards this year, but more sets with him in the middle of the play would do.

At the elbows for now when we do give him a touch, but I'd like to see him at the top of the circle or closer to the wing when his shooting and range improves. He's got some Gasol in him and putting him in the Jokic spots in the future... IS the future.

[nikster]

How much of Scottie's shot attempts are off loose ball or offensive rebounds though/

He gets similar amount of points off turnovers and 2nd chance points as most of these players when they were taking that many shots per game

I kinda doubt that. We are leading the league in deflections by a margin. We are second in steals to GSW with 10.5 to their 10.6. We're second in opponent turnover per possession. We are second in transition offense. Our offense is based off of the idea of building off the defense to hopefully get a double digit shot advantage, which will mean more shot opportunities for all players. Not all of them teams those guys played for were playing to that goal.

Also, Scottie gets 3 O boards a night. More than any player on that list in their rookie year (except Jokic). Only Jokic has ever averaged more than 3 or more offensive boards in a season, let alone did it as a rookie. Most of them averaged 1 offensive board, so he is likely earning 2 extra shots a night over the players listed

the stats are there. Scottie gets 6.2 ppg off turnovers and 2nd chance points combined out of 16.2 total ppg.
Kawhi in 14/15 had 4.9 points out of 16.5
Giannis 15/16 6.0 out of 16.9
Jokic 16/17 4.7 out of 16.7
OG 20/21 4.4 out of 15.9
Brown 19/19 4.0 out of 13

So Scottie leads by a small amount, but it amounts to only about 1 extra shot per game

[links135]

He gets similar amount of points off turnovers and 2nd chance points as most of these players when they were taking that many shots per game

I kinda doubt that. We are leading the league in deflections by a margin. We are second in steals to GSW with 10.5 to their 10.6. We're second in opponent turnover per possession. We are second in transition offense. Our offense is based off of the idea of building off the defense to hopefully get a double digit shot advantage, which will mean more shot opportunities for all players. Not all of them teams those guys played for were playing to that goal.

Also, Scottie gets 3 O boards a night. More than any player on that list in their rookie year (except Jokic). Only Jokic has ever averaged more than 3 or more offensive boards in a season, let alone did it as a rookie. Most of them averaged 1 offensive board, so he is likely earning 2 extra shots a night over the players listed

the stats are there. Scottie gets 6.2 ppg off turnovers and 2nd chance points combined out of 16.2 total ppg.
Kawhi in 14/15 had 4.9 points out of 16.5
Giannis 15/16 6.0 out of 16.9
Jokic 16/17 4.7 out of 16.7
OG 20/21 4.4 out of 15.9
Brown 19/19 4.0 out of 13

So Scottie leads by a small amount, but it amounts to only about 1 extra shot per game

Ummm, none of those guys were rookies. Kawhi was still in college at this point for example.

[nikster]

I kinda doubt that. We are leading the league in deflections by a margin. We are second in steals to GSW with 10.5 to their 10.6. We're second in opponent turnover per possession. We are second in transition offense. Our offense is based off of the idea of building off the defense to hopefully get a double digit shot advantage, which will mean more shot opportunities for all players. Not all of them teams those guys played for were playing to that goal.

Also, Scottie gets 3 O boards a night. More than any player on that list in their rookie year (except Jokic). Only Jokic has ever averaged more than 3 or more offensive boards in a season, let alone did it as a rookie. Most of them averaged 1 offensive board, so he is likely earning 2 extra shots a night over the players listed

the stats are there. Scottie gets 6.2 ppg off turnovers and 2nd chance points combined out of 16.2 total ppg.
Kawhi in 14/15 had 4.9 points out of 16.5
Giannis 15/16 6.0 out of 16.9
Jokic 16/17 4.7 out of 16.7
OG 20/21 4.4 out of 15.9
Brown 19/19 4.0 out of 13

So Scottie leads by a small amount, but it amounts to only about 1 extra shot per game

Ummm, none of those guys were rookies. Kawhi was still in college at this point for example.

yup, i was comparing them to these players when they were getting a similar amount of FGA/points.My Point is that Scottie gets tons of usage for a rookie, so freaking about it is pointless

[vulture]

I don't really mind the amount of shots he gets. Yes, he'll need to work on moves in the half-court, but that's stuff you can also work on in the offseason.

Setting him up on the block makes it easy for doubles and because we don't have much motion in the offense they're easy to force the ball out or turnovers. Laughed when he was screaming and pointing for Boucher to cut and he didn't do anything so Scottie had to put a quick shot up.

The stuff that interests me more are leveraging his decision making. Just having him touch the ball more during possessions so that he can make a read even if he doesn't finish with it. For now the DHOs are where you see some of that. Again, rejigging the entire offense isn't in the cards this year, but more sets with him in the middle of the play would do.

At the elbows for now when we do give him a touch, but I'd like to see him at the top of the circle or closer to the wing when his shooting and range improves. He's got some Gasol in him and putting him in the Jokic spots in the future... IS the future.

When I watched his tape on synergy during the pre-draft, his decision making was the thing that stood out to me. Right now the team is worried about turnovers because winning the possession battle is imprtant to this team. However at some point he will have the ball in his hands a lot more because he is the best decision maker on the team.

[Ackshun]

I don't really mind the amount of shots he gets. Yes, he'll need to work on moves in the half-court, but that's stuff you can also work on in the offseason.

Setting him up on the block makes it easy for doubles and because we don't have much motion in the offense they're easy to force the ball out or turnovers. Laughed when he was screaming and pointing for Boucher to cut and he didn't do anything so Scottie had to put a quick shot up.

The stuff that interests me more are leveraging his decision making. Just having him touch the ball more during possessions so that he can make a read even if he doesn't finish with it. For now the DHOs are where you see some of that. Again, rejigging the entire offense isn't in the cards this year, but more sets with him in the middle of the play would do.

At the elbows for now when we do give him a touch, but I'd like to see him at the top of the circle or closer to the wing when his shooting and range improves. He's got some Gasol in him and putting him in the Jokic spots in the future... IS the future.

When I watched his tape on synergy during the pre-draft, his decision making was the thing that stood out to me. Right now the team is worried about turnovers because winning the possession battle is imprtant to this team. However at some point he will have the ball in his hands a lot more because he is the best decision maker on the team.

You have a Synergy acct?

I miss those days, where I could access video footage of any play.

[vulture]

I don't really mind the amount of shots he gets. Yes, he'll need to work on moves in the half-court, but that's stuff you can also work on in the offseason.

Setting him up on the block makes it easy for doubles and because we don't have much motion in the offense they're easy to force the ball out or turnovers. Laughed when he was screaming and pointing for Boucher to cut and he didn't do anything so Scottie had to put a quick shot up.

The stuff that interests me more are leveraging his decision making. Just having him touch the ball more during possessions so that he can make a read even if he doesn't finish with it. For now the DHOs are where you see some of that. Again, rejigging the entire offense isn't in the cards this year, but more sets with him in the middle of the play would do.

At the elbows for now when we do give him a touch, but I'd like to see him at the top of the circle or closer to the wing when his shooting and range improves. He's got some Gasol in him and putting him in the Jokic spots in the future... IS the future.

When I watched his tape on synergy during the pre-draft, his decision making was the thing that stood out to me. Right now the team is worried about turnovers because winning the possession battle is imprtant to this team. However at some point he will have the ball in his hands a lot more because he is the best decision maker on the team.

You have a Synergy acct?

I miss those days, where I could access video footage of any play.

Yes I have access.

[Tha Cynic]

I don't really mind the amount of shots he gets. Yes, he'll need to work on moves in the half-court, but that's stuff you can also work on in the offseason.

Setting him up on the block makes it easy for doubles and because we don't have much motion in the offense they're easy to force the ball out or turnovers. Laughed when he was screaming and pointing for Boucher to cut and he didn't do anything so Scottie had to put a quick shot up.

The stuff that interests me more are leveraging his decision making. Just having him touch the ball more during possessions so that he can make a read even if he doesn't finish with it. For now the DHOs are where you see some of that. Again, rejigging the entire offense isn't in the cards this year, but more sets with him in the middle of the play would do.

At the elbows for now when we do give him a touch, but I'd like to see him at the top of the circle or closer to the wing when his shooting and range improves. He's got some Gasol in him and putting him in the Jokic spots in the future... IS the future.

This is exactly it. You don't need Barnes to necessarily take more shots. What the team should be doing though is utilizing him in plays where he can create something for others.

This team right now plays a very isolation heavy game and that second pass is pretty much nonexistent. Not only will this get Barnes more touches where he can use his team first approach, it will get players like OG and FVV easier shots, where they're currently expending way too much energy trying to create. We've already seen it hurt OG on defensive possessions and FVV pretty much has to work hard for any shot he takes due to his size and lack of athleticism.

[Ackshun]

When I watched his tape on synergy during the pre-draft, his decision making was the thing that stood out to me. Right now the team is worried about turnovers because winning the possession battle is imprtant to this team. However at some point he will have the ball in his hands a lot more because he is the best decision maker on the team.

You have a Synergy acct?

I miss those days, where I could access video footage of any play.

....

[Young_Buc]

Yup, he can't be sitting in that corner for nothing. Teams have been using him there as an opportunity to help off into the paint, because they know he isn't getting that kick out. They just have to play him honestly enough that he can't make an easy cut, and they remove him from our offense. I always shudder when I seem him go into the corner on an offensive set.

How him and OG are not posting up on the block a significant chunk of time is beyond me. I remember a game OG only started dominating from the post when Scottie was feeding him. Scottie sat, post ups stopped.

I think I know the game you were talking about. I forget who we were playing against but OG and Scottie took turns operating around the foul line. One time OG was posting up Scottie curled to the FT line, OG passed out and Scottie hit the shot. Same game he made the same curl to the same spot but passed it back to OG for a wide open shot.

Laughing at the idea we both have young in our names, but we have both been here for 15+ years.

At the time I signed up I was a young buc over 18 years later... and I'm far from it lol!