Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[Ell Curry]

Really don't see them doing that. I don't think they want to keep Ingram and if Zion is out for an extended period they may just tank the season. They've been hit hard with serious injuries throughout the roster.

Yeah, New Orleans tanking would make a ton of sense if Zion is out.

Right now, I kinda feel like Ingram signs with Brooklyn this summer, they can probably just fit him and Cam Thomas under the cap if Finney-Smith gets dealt at the deadline (or doesn't pick up his deadline), for veteran 4 of Claxton-Ingram-CamJohnson-CamThomas and then they have like 3 first rounders in a strong draft. It doesn't really make sense to sign Ingram, and he and Thomas will be a ton of ugly iso ball and meh defence, but I don't think they want to long-term tank so I could see it.

The Pistons (not enough cap space but Ingram for Hardaway JR and Beasley's expiring and then some bench pieces of say Paul Reed, Fontecchio and a 1st, or just Tobias Harris, Beasley, Sasser/Klintman and a 1st) I could see also.

Utah I guess, but he doesn't seem like Ainge's cup of tea. Would have to be a trade I think, looking at their cap.

Houston maybe, no idea what they're into, but they they could do Jabari Smith, Adams, Green and Tate (last 3 expiring) for Ingram and just let Van Vleet go instead of picking up his 44M option and sign an MLE guard as a bridge for Sheppard and Thompson.

[Chandan]

Does anyone else think Ace is going to be a better pro than Flagg? Flagg kind of stunk it up offensively against Kentuky. His ball handling and shooting are major concerns imo.

We have this entire season to monitor and see if flagg has what it takes to take over a game. I don't care if he's a smaller giannas with jumpshot. Even giannas averaging 30/10/8 isn't enough to make a team dominant now in today's nba because he isn't a natural playmakmer

[Ell Curry]

Does anyone else think Ace is going to be a better pro than Flagg? Flagg kind of stunk it up offensively against Kentuky. His ball handling and shooting are major concerns imo.

He's 17, and he had 26 points on 19 attempts (and 7/9 on free throws). 2 assists, 3 turnovers. Stunk it up is just nonsense. He makes one more 3 and his night looks great (29 on over 50% shooting).

His ball handling looked really good to me, he was running point basically, shooting did look average. If you put him on the wing instead of up top in the NBA, some P+R as the roller, transition and such, I think he'll have a well above average handle for a wing. Jury is out on the passing I thing. The rebounding and stocks should be elite, like maybe #1 among forwards.

[Scase]

Fk, the Spurs could potentially have 4 1st round picks in this draft. Meanwhile we sat on Siakam, OG, FFV and GTJ until they could not even net us a decent pick in 2024 draft. Hope that play in game with Poetel was worth all of this.

It's funny to think, if we're lucky enough to get one of the top picks this year. I'd take our top five players, over theirs...easily.

lol wut?

I would take Wemby above our top five players....combined. Not sure what he's on lol.

[PushDaRock]

It's funny to think, if we're lucky enough to get one of the top picks this year. I'd take our top five players, over theirs...easily.

lol wut?

I would take Wemby above our top five players....combined. Not sure what he's on lol.

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

[720]

We should have taken the Blazers pick when they offered it for OG. I’d rather have Shaedon than RJ and IQ since he better lines up with Grady and Scottie contract wise. Plus I just like him more as a prospect. Hopefully his injury prone problem stops.

I know we were high on Mathurin and when he was taken a pick prior the Raptors didn’t want to pull the trigger but they should have.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

lol wut?

I would take Wemby above our top five players....combined. Not sure what he's on lol.

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

[PushDaRock]

I would take Wemby above our top five players....combined. Not sure what he's on lol.

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

lmao are you seriously calling Wemby just a defensive player? He put up 21.4 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.9 apg as a 19-20 year old rookie. If he's just a defensive player, what does that make the rest of our roster?

[Scase]

I would take Wemby above our top five players....combined. Not sure what he's on lol.

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

He literally dropped 50 points last night, what in gods name are you smoking lol

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

lmao are you seriously calling Wemby just a defensive player? He put up 21.4 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.9 apg as a 19-20 year old rookie. If he's just a defensive player, what does that make the rest of our roster?

That wasn't the argument, but no...I wouldn't put him in the same league as Luka or other offensive players. He's their best player by a mile. Grady was ahead of him until this last explosion.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Offer our best 5 players, tack on all our 1st Round picks and pick swaps and they still say no without even thinking about it in a hypothetical trade.

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

He literally dropped 50 points last night, what in gods name are you smoking lol

Again, their top five Vs our top five (plus the draft pick). So, Flagg + Scottie+ RJ+ Quick+ Dick. A team vs a single player.

[PhilBlackson]

Does anyone else think Ace is going to be a better pro than Flagg? Flagg kind of stunk it up offensively against Kentuky. His ball handling and shooting are major concerns imo.

If he gets drafted here specifically, yes (although I wouldn't say Flagg stunk it up vs he made some costly mistakes). Also to be clear, doesn't mean I don't think Flagg will be great, I still think he will be, just a different type of player (one that I would gladly welcome here too and think we'd make into a beast too).

Some Flagg huggers can flame or hate but look at what our developmental staff has done over the years from Norm, to Fred, to Pascal, to OG, to Scottie, to Gradey....all of them became WAY better than expected. Now imagine we did that for a guy who's almost a consensus top 2-3 player in a super stacked draft. I've said before but I really believe that OUR franchise specifically would be able to make him into something LIKE (not exact) TMac but more of a shooter and that to me is EXACTLY the kind of player we need both as an amazing fit into the lineup and to become a future takeover scorer.

I think Flagg is going to be GREAT buuuut I'm not sure I see a certified bucket getter/takeover scorer -- I think Ace can become that. He has the aggressiveness/mentality, he has the shooting touch, the athleticism. Seriously think of the huge jump Gradey has made, even Scottie from college to now, no one thought these guys had THESE trajectories...we do that with Ace and we'll have one of the best and most popular young stars in the league.

BUT really if we get any of Ace, Flagg or Demin and we will become one of the best teams in the East in the future.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Does anyone else think Ace is going to be a better pro than Flagg? Flagg kind of stunk it up offensively against Kentuky. His ball handling and shooting are major concerns imo.

If he gets drafted here specifically, yes (although I wouldn't say Flagg stunk it up vs he made some costly mistakes). Also to be clear, doesn't mean I don't think Flagg will be great, I still think he will be, just a different type of player.

Some Flagg huggers can flame or hate but look at what our developmental staff has done over the years from Norm, to Fred, to Pascal, to OG, to Scottie, to Gradey....all of them became WAY better than expected. Now imagine we did that for a guy who's almost a consensus top 2-3 player in a super stacked draft. I've said before but I really believe that OUR franchise specifically would be able to make him into something LIKE (not exact) TMac but more of a shooter and that to me is EXACTLY the kind of player we need both as an amazing fit into the lineup and to become a future takeover scorer.

I think Flagg is going to be GREAT buuuut I'm not sure I see a certified bucket getter/takeover scorer -- I think Ace can become that. He has the aggressiveness/mentality, he has the shooting touch, the athleticism. Seriously think of the huge jump Gradey has made, even Scottie from college to now, no one thought these guys had THESE trajectories...we do that with Ace and we'll have one of the best and most popular young stars in the league.

Think of him at SG, it'll be all threes and dunks.

[RoteSchroder]

Does anyone else think Ace is going to be a better pro than Flagg? Flagg kind of stunk it up offensively against Kentuky. His ball handling and shooting are major concerns imo.

If he gets drafted here specifically, yes (although I wouldn't say Flagg stunk it up vs he made some costly mistakes). Also to be clear, doesn't mean I don't think Flagg will be great, I still think he will be, just a different type of player.

Some Flagg huggers can flame or hate but look at what our developmental staff has done over the years from Norm, to Fred, to Pascal, to OG, to Scottie, to Gradey....all of them became WAY better than expected. Now imagine we did that for a guy who's almost a consensus top 2-3 player in a super stacked draft. I've said before but I really believe that OUR franchise specifically would be able to make him into something LIKE (not exact) TMac but more of a shooter and that to me is EXACTLY the kind of player we need both as an amazing fit into the lineup and to become a future takeover scorer.

I think Flagg is going to be GREAT buuuut I'm not sure I see a certified bucket getter/takeover scorer -- I think Ace can become that. He has the aggressiveness/mentality, he has the shooting touch, the athleticism. Seriously think of the huge jump Gradey has made, even Scottie from college to now, no one thought these guys had THESE trajectories...we do that with Ace and we'll have one of the best and most popular young stars in the league.

I like Ace a little better at the moment as well, I think it may be easier for him to overcome his weaknesses (improving handles is a key factor).

[Psubs]

Utah beat Dallas!

[PushDaRock]

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

He literally dropped 50 points last night, what in gods name are you smoking lol

Again, their top five Vs our top five (plus the draft pick). So, Flagg + Scottie+ RJ+ Quick+ Dick. A team vs a single player.

lol yeah any GM is taking Wemby and it's a no brainer.

[PushDaRock]

Look at their roster, their second best player is Devin Vassell. Despite the last game, Wemby's basically a defensive player. If we add one of the top players this draft, we probably slingshot past them.

lmao are you seriously calling Wemby just a defensive player? He put up 21.4 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.9 apg as a 19-20 year old rookie. If he's just a defensive player, what does that make the rest of our roster?

That wasn't the argument, but no...I wouldn't put him in the same league as Luka or other offensive players. He's their best player by a mile. Grady was ahead of him until this last explosion.

So, the standard is he needs to be as good as Luka in year 2 to be considered an "offensive" player? lol that makes like what? 5 of those guys in the entire league?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

lmao are you seriously calling Wemby just a defensive player? He put up 21.4 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.9 apg as a 19-20 year old rookie. If he's just a defensive player, what does that make the rest of our roster?

That wasn't the argument, but no...I wouldn't put him in the same league as Luka or other offensive players. He's their best player by a mile. Grady was ahead of him until this last explosion.

So, the standard is he needs to be as good as Luka in year 2 to be considered an "offensive" player? lol that makes like what? 5 of those guys in the entire league?

If he's so good, why are they 10th in the west.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He literally dropped 50 points last night, what in gods name are you smoking lol

Again, their top five Vs our top five (plus the draft pick). So, Flagg + Scottie+ RJ+ Quick+ Dick. A team vs a single player.

lol yeah any GM is taking Wemby and it's a no brainer.

I don't think anybody's optinig into their 2-5th players, while sober. Wenby's nice, but there is no proof that a guy built like that wins. Like, he's healthy and on a minutes restriction.

[Scase]

That wasn't the argument, but no...I wouldn't put him in the same league as Luka or other offensive players. He's their best player by a mile. Grady was ahead of him until this last explosion.

So, the standard is he needs to be as good as Luka in year 2 to be considered an "offensive" player? lol that makes like what? 5 of those guys in the entire league?

If he's so good, why are they 10th in the west.

If Lebron was so good, why were the Cavs 9th in the weak east?