Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[sunny]

they don't need him for a while and I just did some googling and apparently he will be back soon enough.
They have such a complete team and are poised four tourney success.
They have coaching, guard play, big men, depth, stars.

[Homer Jay]

Beal seems a much more complete player than Barnes at this point. Beal is looking like a Dwade light. People slept on DWade and regretted it afterwards. Barnes lack of handle can be glaring at times.

[tdotrep2]

Beal can definitely play PG I don't know what you guys are talking about.

There's a long history of the "trying to turn a 2 guard into a big PG to fit our team" idea not working. You need to have the PG gene in your blood and developmental history to play the position. It's hard to explain but it happens over and over and over in the draft. You're either a PG or a SG after your college season, your stripes don't change. Sometimes types like S Curry can be a shoot first player in college, but still overwhelmingly ball dominant and the guy "running the offense" and making all the decisions for his team. He was a PG, just a score first one. I would say Lillard falls into that group. That's different from Beal, a player who is a flat out, run me off screens and let me space the floor for my PG, 2 guard, who has no history playing the 1.

Demar can either be a poor man's Wilson Chandler at SF or he can get out if we consider Beal the BPA. Nothing wrong with having 2 very good SGs and dealing one. Especially if it's done before Demar gets paid.

Lol westbrook

[Undefeated]

Agree undefeated, Casey's system is all about screen and roll or cut etc, PG isn't the most important under Casey, if other guards have court vision it'll work equally fine in his system, bring the ball up by Beal, and then work on their play quickly. I rather have Beal bring the ball up and quickly pass to Bargs, or to Demar to attack, than having Jose hogging the ball for the entire possession.

Exactly. The Raptors really struggle to get into their offensive set early in the shot-clock because the ball is always stuck to someone's hand before making a quick move which usually results in a (ill-advised) shot late in the clock. The Raptors are attempting 17% of their field goals with 21+ seconds into the clock. Only the Pistons, Clippers, and Hornets attempt a higher percentage of field goals with 21+ seconds gone than the Raptors. So, you can see how badly the Raptors struggle to get into a structured possession. This is why I like Bradley Beal because he's able to make decisions on the move as evident by his ability to keep his head up and dart outlet passes down the floor. He also recognizes match-ups early too being able to take advantage of one-on-one coverage for his teammates. Patric Young had so many points inside the restricted area just because of Beal quickly recognizing Young had the strength to overpower Anthony Davis before the Cats' defense could collapse on him to give Davis some help.

[fredericklove]

You want a first-option scorer, you take Lamb. You want an all around impact player, you take Beal.

Debatable !

Agreed Lamb isn't a first option. He is a weak side attacker, more of a second option.

Debatable, Lamb could improve substantially especially on his off the dribble repertoire, become skilled enough to be a deadly 2nd tier guard in the NBA. Would you be surprise to see him avg 23 pts on the raps while Andrea slide back down to 2nd option?

[tdotrep2]

CJ locked down barnes he got his points with cj on the bench.

[fredericklove]

they don't need him for a while and I just did some googling and apparently he will be back soon enough.
They have such a complete team and are poised four tourney success.
They have coaching, guard play, big men, depth, stars.

I think the only ones that can give them trouble would be Kentucky and Buckeyes.

[sunny]

1. Anthony Davis
2. Andre Drummond
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Thomas Robinson
5. Jeremy Lamb (although I think he might go lower)
6. Bradley Beal
7. Jared Sullinger
8. Harrison Barnes
9. Perry Jones
10. Irrelevent (Quincy Miller as my sleeper pick)

[nahom1319]

Debatable, Lamb could improve substantially especially on his off the dribble repertoire, become skilled enough to be a deadly 2nd tier guard in the NBA. Would you be surprise to see him avg 23 pts on the raps while Andrea slide back down to 2nd option?

Would I be suprised to see him score 23 pts a game? Hell no, but he wouldn't be the guy intiating the offense. If he gets to that point it will be because he becomes more efficient. He won't be the guy you ask to break down a defense or even attack a defense time and time again.

I think his ability to shoot is great. My problem though is lets pretend for a second a team takes away his 3pt shot, what exactly does he do when that happens? Imo you take Beal and do not look back. Lamb is a very good shooter but I'm sick and tired of having to develop a players other skills from the ground up. I'd rather take a player with a solid foundation and build upon that.

[fredericklove]

Agree undefeated, Casey's system is all about screen and roll or cut etc, PG isn't the most important under Casey, if other guards have court vision it'll work equally fine in his system, bring the ball up by Beal, and then work on their play quickly. I rather have Beal bring the ball up and quickly pass to Bargs, or to Demar to attack, than having Jose hogging the ball for the entire possession.

Exactly. The Raptors really struggle to get into their offensive set early in the shot-clock because the ball is always stuck to someone's hand before making a quick move which usually results in a (ill-advised) shot late in the clock. The Raptors are attempting 17% of their field goals with 21+ seconds into the clock. Only the Pistons, Clippers, and Hornets attempt a higher percentage of field goals with 21+ seconds gone than the Raptors. So, you can see how badly the Raptors struggle to get into a structured possession. This is why I like Bradley Beal because he's able to make decisions on the move as evident by his ability to keep his head up and dart outlet passes down the floor. He also recognizes match-ups early too being able to take advantage of one-on-one coverage for his teammates. Patric Young had so many points inside the restricted area just because of Beal quickly recognizing Young had the strength to overpower Anthony Davis before the Cats' defense could collapse on him to give Davis some help.

Yup, I notice Beal spotted Young quickly in the post several times, he's just smart at reading the game for himself and for others. Unlike Jose, he just looks to p&r over and over again hoping there's opening to drive or to do whatever ill-advise decision...so SICK of it. Under Casey's offense, the more ball movement there are, especially the quicker the ball moves around, the better chance to find guys open or creating mismatch (size or speed advantage) to score.

This is why some posters wonder what we'll do with Demar if we draft Beal. I kept saying to trade Demar or bring him off bench, but it is Beal who can interchange, be a SG, or occasional PG while Demar can occasional play SF only when there's size adv, then stick to his SG. It's interchangeable. If Beal is the BPA at 6 or 7th pick, GET him.

[fredericklove]

Debatable, Lamb could improve substantially especially on his off the dribble repertoire, become skilled enough to be a deadly 2nd tier guard in the NBA. Would you be surprise to see him avg 23 pts on the raps while Andrea slide back down to 2nd option?

Would I be suprised to see him score 23 pts a game? Hell no, but he wouldn't be the guy intiating the offense. If he gets to that point it will be because he becomes more efficient. He won't be the guy you ask to break down a defense or even attack a defense time and time again.

I think his ability to shoot is great. My problem though is lets pretend for a second a team takes away his 3pt shot, what exactly does he do when that happens? Imo you take Beal and do not look back. Lamb is a very good shooter but I'm sick and tired of having to develop a players other skills from the ground up. I'd rather take a player with a solid foundation and build upon that.

True, right now all he has off-the-dribble is the floater move, and he's doing such a poor job at making contacts. If anything that intrigues me is if he develops better skillset, we can utilize him iso like Blazers does with Roy. Either way, I'm happy with one of Beal or Lamb. With Beal, there's so many things he can do when he's not scoring. His strong built, defense, court vision and shooting are a better fit for us I think, and he can really thrive under Casey's screen and roll system.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Folks, we could end up with Barnes at 6 or 7 if turns in more subpar performances like that.

Let's say the lottery results ended up like this, here's how I could see the draft playing out:

1. Bobcats - Davis
2. Pistons - Robinson
3. Hornets - Drummond
4. Wizards - Sullinger
5. Nets - Kidd-Gilchrist
6. Kings - Harrison Barnes
7. Raptors - Jeremy Lamb/Bradley Beal
8. Bucks - Bradley Beal/Jeremy Lamb
9. Suns - Perry Jones
10. Jazz - Damian Lillard
11. Cavs - Meyers Leonard
12. Hornets - John Henson
13. Blazers - Tyler Zeller
14. Jazz - Terrence Jones

[fredericklove]

The buckeyes vs. wolverine game is going to be fun to watch. We get to watch Burke and Sully (one of my favorite bigs).

[Homer Jay]

Same, happy with Beal or Lamb. The real difference between them is in the PG you match with them.

[Dr Positivity]

I like Lamb more but in terms of draft stock I think Beal just pushed the lead to 15 on Lamb, it's on his homecourt and the crowd is going wild, Lamb's team is turning the ball over and getting fastbreak points scored on him...

And if anything I think Beal just builds a bigger lead if he lasts in the tournament longer and uses his strength more in workouts

I could see something WTF like Beal 2-3rd overall and Lamb 13th tbh. Beal is the guy who could be running downhill in the draft if he has a handful of 20 pt games. And 2nd/3rd overall is wide open.

[PowerPhil15]

Anthony Davis was such a game changer man. I hope we strike the draw this year, we could actually make a good push for playoffs if we make the right acquisitions and trades afterwards...

Valunciunas/Amir/Maglore
Anthony Davis/Ed/Maglore
Iguodala/JJ
Derozen/Barbosa
Nash/Calderone


*bargnani + kleiza + bayless + gray expiring for iguodala + nocioni expiring type trade
*sign nash

[prototype]

Would Monta Ellis be a good comparison for Bradley Beal? Monta could occasionally play PG but has the skills of a perfect SG.

I barely have time to catch a Raps game anymore so I haven't been following any of the players in the draft this year either so I don't know much about him except from what I read on here and DX/NBAdraft.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Would Monta Ellis be a good comparison for Bradley Beal? Monta could occasionally play PG but has the skills of a perfect SG.

I barely have time to catch a Raps game anymore so I haven't been following any of the players in the draft this year either so I don't know much about him except from what I read on here and DX/NBAdraft.

Pseudo-James Harden imo.

[ty123]

So whats the next game filled with big draft prospects?

[Undefeated]

So whats the next game filled with big draft prospects?

OSU-Michigan on right now.