Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[UnderdogRaptors]

Its getting closer guys day by day loss by loss, ur daddy can't save ur a$$ this time bc.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

If BC gets the ax, I'd hire a good young GM (not sure who though), and have him decide what to do with this team. My guess is, Lowry gets traded for some picks & a young player, Bargnani dealt for anything of value, and we'd probably go from there.

[Raps in 4]

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

He has had SIX years to prove himself.

[Randle McMurphy]

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players.

Yeah and Bargnani is just hitting his stride too. Gotta have patience.

[Scase]

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players.

Yeah and Bargnani is just hitting his stride too. Gotta have patience.

I hear big men take longer to develop.

[TheGoodDoctor]

I wonder if Dr. J is still interested in being our GM.

[suntzuballin]

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players.

Yeah and Bargnani is just hitting his stride too. Gotta have patience.

I hear big men take longer to develop.

Lol how many lives does a cat have cant believe it took this long but theres rude awakening soon for colangelo

[hillbilly hare]

Hate to be a BC apologist but I would at least give him a half a season before I judge this team.

To be fair, the Raptors have been in almost every game they lost, it's late game execution that's hurting this team, not the collection of players.

Yeah and Bargnani is just hitting his stride too. Gotta have patience.

I hear big men take longer to develop.

Yeah, like Andre Drummond. Oops. Forgot, he had "character issues".

[KnickerBonkerz]

The problem with Collangello is he just can't help but get all excited about every team he puts together and overstates their potential, and raises the fanbases expectations (and we all drink the kool aid). He does the same thing with his players. Before Bargnani was even any good BC pretty much deemed him the face of the franchise, a label he has yet to live up to. If he would just do his job and let things play out he would have a bit more flexibility. I think he doesn't like admitting one of his beloved players is not a good fit and rather than try to trade him he holds onto them hoping they'll meet his ridiculous expectations.

[hillbilly hare]

The problem with Collangello is he just can't help but get all excited about every team he puts together and overstates their potential, and raises the fanbases expectations (and we all drink the kool aid). He does the same thing with his players. Before Bargnani was even any good BC pretty much deemed him the face of the franchise, a label he has yet to live up to. If he would just do his job and let things play out he would have a bit more flexibility. I think he doesn't like admitting one of his beloved players is not a good fit and rather than try to trade him he holds onto them hoping they'll meet his ridiculous expectations.

I don't really think that's true. That's assuming some pretty high-calibre hypnotic powers by Clownangelo. I think most people posting here attend some games in person and watch most on TV, so they know a little b-ball and know a lot of the players' games. We don't have to take Lyin' Bryan's word for it.

Who in god's name thought Landry Fields was more than a mediocre player, whose offensive stats were inflated on D'Antoni's Knicks and whose D was overrated because he was one of the only Knicks playing any? Hell, he's not even a small forward, and yet he was slotted in as our starter there. A career backup, below-average starter. What kind of hopes were we supposed to have for the season?

As to the rest, we have long known Andrea's game and Jose's game and Demar's game, and we knew that Ed and Amir are solid backups but not much more, and Kleiza and Gray are 3rd stringers. You can't say we didn't know that. We've hoped at the start of every season that Demar would "turn the corner", though in this, his "breakout" year, we have a pretty good idea what the street around that corner looks like. He's young enough to reach the point where, if he stays healthy, he can be a 6-year starter (starting from now) in the league, then spot start and come off the bench. He is not an All-star or even a borderline one. His offense is about average, his defense below average, so if he can improve that (it's a question of wanting to), he can be an average starter till around 30, then come off the bench.

I don't want to hear about Clownangelo's selling or hypnotic powers. Joking about it just makes it more possible that he'll hold onto his job. Like a fast-talking, big smiling car salesman with a repertoire of good jokes to entertain the rubes. Get him the hell out of Dodge tomorrow, before he does any more damage.

[RedX]

We won't fire him. But I certainly hope we don't extend him.

[Landomar]

BC is a pretty good drafter. He has some nice "hits" on his resume like Marion, Amare, and Valanciunas. He does miss his share of guys, though, and has shown pretty much zero ability to do anything in the second round. There are only a few teams that are actually good at the 2nd round, though, like San Antonio and Milwaukee, so whatever. That's right, Milwaukee. They kill the 2nd round. It's so random, haha.

BC usually wins his trades, as well, and does a good job using trades to fix his mistakes. Moves like Araujo for Humphries, Turkoglu for Barbosa, Villanueva for Ford, etc. BC has a knack for moving junk we don't really want for actually useful pieces. However, he doesn't seem to do much long term planning with trades. For example, I can't remember him ever stockpiling assets to go after stars, like Darryl Morey did with Harden or like Danny Ainge did with Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. BC's closest attempt at this type of move was the Jermaine O'Neal trade, which was a massive failure due to BC misreading O'Neal's health / aging situation. Also, did they seriously want to draft Robin Lopez over Hibbert? At the time, I remembering Jim Kelly pumping up Lopez so much, and it sounded like JJ Hickson was our guy if we kept the pick. Oy.

Anyway, where BC really does badly is obvious. His payroll management and contract offers are horrendous. If he likes a player, he is willing to wildly overpay for that player in free agency. He doesn't look for value signings, and he doesn't try to take useful but unwanted players from other teams in exchange for cap space. Nope. He targets players and tries to outbid everyone else for them. He also extends his own players that he likes for way too much money, and he's done it over and over again. This isn't just a Toronto thing. Look at some of the contracts he handed out in Phoenix. He should not be trusted with the checkbook of a team like Toronto. Many of his "good" trades are actually just BC getting rid of terrible contracts that he signed himself, and getting a less bad contract back.

[hillbilly hare]

BC is a pretty good drafter. He has some nice "hits" on his resume like Marion, Amare, and Valanciunas. He does miss his share of guys, though, and has shown pretty much zero ability to do anything in the second round. There are only a few teams that are actually good at the 2nd round, though, like San Antonio and Milwaukee, so whatever. That's right, Milwaukee. They kill the 2nd round. It's so random, haha.

BC usually wins his trades, as well, and does a good job using trades to fix his mistakes. Moves like Araujo for Humphries, Turkoglu for Barbosa, Villanueva for Ford, etc. BC has a knack for moving junk we don't really want for actually useful pieces. However, he doesn't seem to do much long term planning with trades. For example, I can't remember him ever stockpiling assets to go after stars, like Darryl Morey did with Harden or like Danny Ainge did with Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. BC's closest attempt at this type of move was the Jermaine O'Neal trade, which was a massive failure due to BC misreading O'Neal's health / aging situation. Also, did they seriously want to draft Robin Lopez over Hibbert? At the time, I remembering Jim Kelly pumping up Lopez so much, and it sounded like JJ Hickson was our guy if we kept the pick. Oy.

Anyway, where BC really does badly is obvious. His payroll management and contract offers are horrendous. If he likes a player, he is willing to wildly overpay for that player in free agency. He doesn't look for value signings, and he doesn't try to take useful but unwanted players from other teams in exchange for cap space. Nope. He targets players and tries to outbid everyone else for them. He also extends his own players that he likes for way too much money, and he's done it over and over again. This isn't just a Toronto thing. Look at some of the contracts he handed out in Phoenix. He should not be trusted with the checkbook of a team like Toronto. Many of his "good" trades are actually just BC getting rid of terrible contracts that he signed himself, and getting a less bad contract back.

This is a bit unbelievable.

Drafting: he was very good in Phoenix. Not only Amare and Marion, but also later picks like Finley and Stephen Jackson in the 2nd round. But that was a different BC. Nothing close to that here in TO.

As to drafting Robin Lopez over Hibbert, another way to look at it is that if he had drafted Robin Lopez, we would've kept TJ and Rasho, not taken on Jermaine's one knee and $44 million, not surrendered another 1st and taken on Banks's contract in order to dump Jermaine. So yeah, I even Robin Lopez would've been okay.

Trades: ??? What are all the trades that he's "won"? You seriously want to count dumping the horrendous Hedo as a "good" trade? Or Jermaine? So what's the criteria for a "good" trade? What if we signed a solid player to a max contract, then realized quickly that that was a brutal move, then traded the guy for a role player or a 2nd round pick or a bag of chips, are we seriously supposed to say that it was a "good" trade, because the clown sort of got out of a previous horrendous move? Unbelievable.

The "junk" he moves is the very junk that he wastes our badly needed resources on in the first place. And having to list minor moves involving role players that have little to no impact on our team's success is in itself testimony to how poorly he has done in trades.

He has been all-around terrible here in Toronto. Period. He has drafted "okay" or "solidly" if you will, because he usually picked the best prospect available, regardless of need. However, he didn't do that with Andrea and he didn't do that with Ross. Not picking Drummond (and wasting an early 2nd) has knocked BC down a peg in terms of being a solid drafter. So he doesn't even have that going for him any more.

A failure on all 4 fronts: free agency, trades, drafting, and non-trades (Bosh).

Get the guy out of here. Tomorrow.

[sauga_raptor]

We won't fire him. But I certainly hope we don't extend him.

But why not? What if we fall to 3-13? Someone has to start being held accountable for this joke of an organization.

[Mack11]

maybe his plan all along was to tank this season for a top 3 pick

[Scase]

maybe his plan all along was to tank this season for a top 3 pick

Sounds like a terrible plan........which means you're probably right

[raps4589]

maybe his plan all along was to tank this season for a top 3 pick

Sounds like a terrible plan........which means you're probably right

haha for sure

[Mehar]

maybe his plan all along was to tank this season for a top 3 pick

Watch him sell that to the board (LOL).

[suntzuballin]

if colangelo thinks this team is a playoff team and he wants to win he do the right thing and makes some moves not hold on to something that dont work his days are numbered if he dont do something

[Dr Positivity]

Two panic moves that seems the most likely for BC right now to me

1. Ross/JLIII for Derrick Williams

2. Ross/Calderon for Danny Granger (at the deadline).

The Williams move has been gone over, but going after Granger would be soooo BC. He'd get to sell to the board "Hey guyz we have Lowry, Demar, Granger, Bargnani and Valanciunas, playoff teamz!" ignoring the huge risk of a bad knees Granger who's about to ask for a max extension.