Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[Psubs]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

Watch on YouTube

[vanhill]

Watching Swanigan doesn't really impress me thus far.. I'll have to see a bit more. Looks like prime Brian Cook out there.

Cook is like Matt Bonner kind of guy who stay behind the arc to shoot 3s.
He is a low post scoring player who came Second in rebound last season. Also average 3.1 asts per game.
He is like Biyombo with offense and passing skills.

[HeadtopChunes]

Watching Swanigan doesn't really impress me thus far.. I'll have to see a bit more. Looks like prime Brian Cook out there.

Cook is like Matt Bonner kind of guy who stay behind the arc to shoot 3s.
He is a low post scoring player who came Second in rebound last season. Also average 3.1 asts per game.
He is like Biyombo with offense and passing skills.

For a guy who is a bad defender Biyombo isn't a good comp.

[vanhill]

Watching Swanigan doesn't really impress me thus far.. I'll have to see a bit more. Looks like prime Brian Cook out there.

Cook is like Matt Bonner kind of guy who stay behind the arc to shoot 3s.
He is a low post scoring player who came Second in rebound last season. Also average 3.1 asts per game.
He is like Biyombo with offense and passing skills.

For a guy who is a bad defender Biyombo isn't a good comp.

maybe his defense is not perfect , but he does have the strong body to be an effective defender and potential to get better.
Maybe...Alan Williams with better passing skills?

[Yallbecrazy]

I can see Swanigan as being a Sullinger or Draymond Green type player. If he gets in shape and continues to embrace a hard work ethic his ceiling is Draymondesque. If Sullinger could have shot 37% instead of 27% from 3 he would be considered a very good player-> unfortunately he decides to do the pick and pop everytime and never make the 3 efficiently. So if Swanigan can be a better outside shooting, rich man's Sullinger that is an excellent player. I think Swanigan has the bbiq and the skill to be a very good player just based on stats and scouting reports, question mark is his dedication to the game given his weight issues.

[vanhill]

I can see Swanigan as being a Sullinger or Draymond Green type player. If he gets in shape and continues to embrace a hard work ethic his ceiling is Draymondesque. If Sullinger could have shot 37% instead of 27% from 3 he would be considered a very good player-> unfortunately he decides to do the pick and pop everytime and never make the 3 efficiently. So if Swanigan can be a better outside shooting, rich man's Sullinger that is an excellent player. I think Swanigan has the bbiq and the skill to be a very good player just based on stats and scouting reports, question mark is his dedication to the game given his weight issues.

I watched a video of him and he had a very tough childhood time. His work ethic is excellent.
His draft stock is a bit underrated, pretty much reminds me of Sullinger , Zach Randolph and Faried who got slipped to mid to late first rounder.

[ill-Will03]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

Watch on YouTube

That wasn't even that impressive tbh lol. Don't get me wrong I think he'll be a serviceable player at the next level, but I just think his numbers were really helped by the playmaking of Ball and since we have no one who can even come close to distributing the ball like that it makes him less effective. Kinda like how Carroll flourished in the Atlanta offense but came here and couldn't do **** because our system didn't fit him. I just think Lydon is a better fit with this current team

[OAKLEY_2]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

Watch on YouTube

He has had a lot of those breakout games at age 19. Have not heard Walton gush about him the way he did about Poetl. More than anything else it comes as a surprise that he has the game he does looking like a stretch John Stockton. Personal appearance not game. He has four things that could impact a game. Facilitating. Rebounding. Shooting. Shot blocking. Become competent at those things and he is our stretch four.

[vanhill]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

He has had a lot of those breakout games at age 19. Have not heard Walton gush about him the way he did about Poetl. More than anything else it comes as a surprise that he has the game he does looking like a stretch John Stockton. Personal appearance not game. He has four things that could impact a game. Facilitating. Rebounding. Shooting. Shot blocking. Become competent at those things and he is our stretch four.

he plays like Kelly Olynyk (weaker version) who is a ok player with only average potential.
he doesn't have any outstanding areas but able to do a bit of everything, being an average rebounder, passer, etc..

[OAKLEY_2]

On the defensive end two things. A lot of confusion on the switching and he as a teenager is physically weak. He does not do the full Bargnani but he gives little to no physical resistance just a lot of hands up. When he is gassed he almost looks impaired defensively.

[OAKLEY_2]

He is a way better athlete than Olynyk. Way better.

[OAKLEY_2]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

Watch on YouTube

That wasn't even that impressive tbh lol. Don't get me wrong I think he'll be a serviceable player at the next level, but I just think his numbers were really helped by the playmaking of Ball and since we have no one who can even come close to distributing the ball like that it makes him less effective. Kinda like how Carroll flourished in the Atlanta offense but came here and couldn't do **** because our system didn't fit him. I just think Lydon is a better fit with this current team

Ball is such an unselfious natural distributor in a pretty good system. The danger on the Raps is they likely hang Leaf completely out to dry. Guards have the ball way too long and bigs are treated like screen setters and spot up shooters of last resort. If we do not learn to use our bigs better like we did with Amir Johnson this era ends badly. Under Casey we are like a five cylinder Volvo engine firing on only two chambers. No wonder we come undone when the race heats up.

[LonZoBallin]

Leaf is a solid pick where we are. Guarantee he plays in the League for many years to come.

And at where we're picking, that's as much as you can ask for. Coaches son, who does everything well. There was many games he was the best player on the court, not Ball.

[LonZoBallin]

But Dennis Smith JR is the only player we need to focus on. Superstars win chamionships, we need a superstar. That is Dennis Smith Jr.

Whoever picks Dennis smith Jr. will be laughing for years and years to come. he's exciting as well. Ppl forget this is showbiz sometimes. The NBA wants exciting players to succeed for tv ratings

Dennis smith JR will be beter than Lowry in 3 out of the next 5 years. Only difference is lowry will be making 30 million per, DSJ will be on a rookie scale contract

[RaptorsLife]

I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

[OAKLEY_2]

But Dennis Smith JR is the only player we need to focus on. Superstars win chamionships, we need a superstar. That is Dennis Smith Jr.

Whoever picks Dennis smith Jr. will be laughing for years and years to come. he's exciting as well. Ppl forget this is showbiz sometimes. The NBA wants exciting players to succeed for tv ratings

Dennis smith JR will be beter than Lowry in 3 out of the next 5 years. Only difference is lowry will be making 30 million per, DSJ will be on a rookie scale contract

Please give me the acquisition and retention strategy and I'll and1 the superstar. Does Demar get us DSJ? Fans would likely be all over a future backcourt of DSJ/Norm. Cannot tear it all down unless we want to be Craptors into the next life.

Ibaka/Poetl/Tucker
DSJ/Norm

I could easily buy into that with Tucker the whip cracker. Going super tank would be horrible.

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

That's a Masai pick for sure.

[LonZoBallin]

But Dennis Smith JR is the only player we need to focus on. Superstars win chamionships, we need a superstar. That is Dennis Smith Jr.

Whoever picks Dennis smith Jr. will be laughing for years and years to come. he's exciting as well. Ppl forget this is showbiz sometimes. The NBA wants exciting players to succeed for tv ratings

Dennis smith JR will be beter than Lowry in 3 out of the next 5 years. Only difference is lowry will be making 30 million per, DSJ will be on a rookie scale contract

Please give me the acquisition and retention strategy and I'll and1 the superstar. Does Demar get us DSJ? Fans would likely be all over a future backcourt of DSJ/Norm. Cannot tear it all down unless we want to be Craptors into the next life.

Ibaka/Poetl/Tucker
DSJ/Norm

I could easily buy into that with Tucker the whip cracker. Going super tank would be horrible.

Derozan can get us 8th pick with the knicks, 9th with Mavs or 11th with Bobcats. All 3 teams don't have a SG

[Kevin Willis]

I wouldn't be mad if Lydon was the pick. I actually like him over Leaf, I think hes a much better shooter since Leaf shot 40% but that was only on 2 attempts a game. Lydon already has range out to the three and is quicker laterally then Leaf. Lonzo also helped inflate Tjs number heavily and we all know we have no one that can distribute the ball the way Ball does lol. I think Lydon fits better with our system the way it is now.

Madness! Check out Leaf's game vs Kentucky.

Watch on YouTube

That wasn't even that impressive tbh lol. Don't get me wrong I think he'll be a serviceable player at the next level, but I just think his numbers were really helped by the playmaking of Ball and since we have no one who can even come close to distributing the ball like that it makes him less effective. Kinda like how Carroll flourished in the Atlanta offense but came here and couldn't do **** because our system didn't fit him. I just think Lydon is a better fit with this current team

Agreed. Lydon over Leaf, Bolden and Wilson. All are about the same height. Leaf is the most efficient. Bolden is the best 3pt shooter (Leaf low volume). Bolden \ Wilson best athletes. Wilson is the best defender. Of all of them Lydon probably fits best because Leaf isn't a stretch 4, not that athletic and not known for defense. Bolden is inconsistent, question on motor. Wilson is soft and will struggle on the inside but good defensive potential. Lydon hits the three, rebounds, playmakes, shows a high BBIQ and understands verticality. Not great length, explosiveness or defense but he can earn play time next year with what he has and what we want to do.

In the end none of the 4 would be a bad decision.

[Rapsfan07]

Why all the love for Lydon? He doesn't look that good to me