Draft Thread Part 2

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He will be a lottery pick for sure.

[ATLTimekeeper]

lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Masai didn't draft JV and he passed on Saobonis, id be surprised if we drafted because he's very much not a Masai guy

He traded for Gasol. Signed both Hansbrough and Luis Scola. Tried to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. Masai loves multiskilled, high IQ players, period. Sengun definitely fits.

[Reeko]

lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Sengun is not a 3 level scorer. He does 90% of his scoring in the post, and while his free throw percentage is strong, he's still not a very good jump shooter from the mid range or the 3. And we never traded up for JV.

[Indeed]

lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Masai didn't draft JV and he passed on Saobonis, id be surprised if we drafted because he's very much not a Masai guy

He traded for Gasol. Signed both Hansbrough and Luis Scola. Tried to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. Masai loves multiskilled, high IQ players, period. Sengun definitely fits.

Hansbrough is more Casey guy, I doubt Ujiri is high on him, and I never heard anything about Aldridge, sounds like rumors.
And Sengun does not fit with the multi positional category of versatility, plus Ujiri likes athletic players, such as Siakam, OG, Powell, Harris, etc.

I don't see Sengun being Ujiri type.

[Indeed]

Did I miss any discussions on Moses Moody? 6'6" freshman who was SEC Freshman of the Year. Big knock on him is he is not so far a shot creator. His drives are straight at the net. So maybe lateral movement is problematic. Slow shot release but apparently excellent form. His calling card - defence. He can be a scorer and led his team in scoring as a freshman and was second in team boards. He is by all accounts the consummate unselfish player who is a good distributor. He is a 6'6" shoting guard with 7'1" wingspan. He def ticks a lot of boxes and he was coached by Eric Musselman and the reports are high bball IQ. He de# sounds like Raptor material. Will be interesting to find out where the Raps rank him among the many shooting guards in the draft.. If we are 10th pick I could see him as our pick for sure.

Does not look to be very creative, looks to be a safe pick

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lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Sengun is not a 3 level scorer. He does 90% of his scoring in the post, and while his free throw percentage is strong, he's still not a very good jump shooter from the mid range or the 3. And we never traded up for JV.

I saw some clips of him hitting 3s off the dribble so the shot is there. I also read in some articles that he's not attempted many shots

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He will be a lottery pick for sure.

I would not be mad if he could run the bench mob for a year or even 2, while he develops his outside shooting and defense. Yuta looks a lot better on defense in the system than he did at the beginning of the year. If he could become Lamelo 2.0 with a couple extra years of development, it could work. He's as young as Kuminga at 18.5 years old. Also let him play a full GLeague season with Jalen Harris and the 2nd picks. Don't rush the process. Raptor: The Next Generation

PG FVV - Flynn - Giddey
SG Trent - Watson - Harris
SF OG - Yuta - Giddey
PF Siakam - Boucher
C Birch - Boucher/Gillespie

Let him earn PT by outplaying Yuta and Watson. Also add whoever they get for Lowry.

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lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Sengun is not a 3 level scorer. He does 90% of his scoring in the post, and while his free throw percentage is strong, he's still not a very good jump shooter from the mid range or the 3. And we never traded up for JV.

I saw some clips of him hitting 3s off the dribble so the shot is there. I also read in some articles that he's not attempted many shots

I think his shot will translate, especially if he's shooting off the dribble. It is also possibly he is not finished growing too. He looks to be 6'10 now based on recent reports. No idea on his length. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, but all star potential for sure


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lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Sengun is not a 3 level scorer. He does 90% of his scoring in the post, and while his free throw percentage is strong, he's still not a very good jump shooter from the mid range or the 3. And we never traded up for JV.

I saw some clips of him hitting 3s off the dribble so the shot is there. I also read in some articles that he's not attempted many shots

Xavier Tillman I think was top 2 in the shooting 3 drill in the Pre-Draft combine.

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Did I miss any discussions on Moses Moody? 6'6" freshman who was SEC Freshman of the Year. Big knock on him is he is not so far a shot creator. His drives are straight at the net. So maybe lateral movement is problematic. Slow shot release but apparently excellent form. His calling card - defence. He can be a scorer and led his team in scoring as a freshman and was second in team boards. He is by all accounts the consummate unselfish player who is a good distributor. He is a 6'6" shoting guard with 7'1" wingspan. He def ticks a lot of boxes and he was coached by Eric Musselman and the reports are high bball IQ. He de# sounds like Raptor material. Will be interesting to find out where the Raps rank him among the many shooting guards in the draft.. If we are 10th pick I could see him as our pick for sure.

Does not look to be very creative, looks to be a safe pick

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I don't think he's a guy that moves the needle for the Raptors at all. If Moody is the only thing that comes out of having a high pick after this terrible year, I'd be extremely disappointed. I don't think he'll be much of a scorer, or at least certainly not a high volume one, because he struggles to create for himself and others. So he also won't be the answer to any end-of-clock halfcourt offence questions this team has.

His defence is quite good, but I think Keon Johnson has a chance to be more significant as a disrupter on that end in the NBA. And I didn't see the skills as a distributor or the high BBIQ in the games that I watched. His assist to turnover ratio was 1-1. Not horrible for a non-point guard "scorer" in his first year in college, but certainly not something that makes it seems as though he'll be anything more than just average at it in the NBA.

Basically, I see his best case scenario as being a Mo Pete type player. And that's an alright player, but certainly not one that will drastically affect a team's outlook. There are lots of similar wing players to be found around the league. I agree with Indeed, he would be a "safe" pick, in that he probably won't be a bust, but I just don't see an impact player either.

But I'll admit that maybe I'm too harsh on him because he was only a freshman, and I didn't see any of his really good games last year, just a couple of so-so regular season games, and then his bad NCAA tournament performances.

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lol okay I just seen some sengun highlights and we're 100% drafting this guy lol

I think he's actually going to be a superstar tho lol. He's like a Val Jokic hybrid but just a little shorter. He's a 3 level scorer as a big, and a passer.

If we traded up for val we're definitely drafting him if we're outside the top 5.

He's big enough to play the 5 too, he must have long arms if he's only 6'10

Sengun is not a 3 level scorer. He does 90% of his scoring in the post, and while his free throw percentage is strong, he's still not a very good jump shooter from the mid range or the 3. And we never traded up for JV.

I saw some clips of him hitting 3s off the dribble so the shot is there. I also read in some articles that he's not attempted many shots

You should watch a scouting report vid instead of highlights. He may turn out to be a star, I'm not of that opinion but I've been wrong before. He reminds me of a smaller Kanter with a bit of Sabonis. He's also an undersized C at 6'9 and struggles to guard in space. He's an NBA 4 that doesn't have the skillset to play the 4 in the NBA, currently.

Now let's talk about what he does well. He's an excellent rebounder and extremely physical especially for an 18 year old. He seeks contact when he's going to the rim and thus he has a very high free throw rate, where he's shooting 82%. While his post moves are effective, he is fairly limited in the moves that he has. He's not an explosive athlete but seems to be a pretty good rim protector, and has shown to be fairly agile moving laterally, showing an ability to keep up with guards in the Turkish league. He also seems to be a fairly adept passer, he's not Jokic, Sabonis, or Gasol but he has shown some promise in that area.

He's an NBA player, what he'll be ultimately I don't know. I wouldn't take him in the top 10, personally.

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Did I miss any discussions on Moses Moody? 6'6" freshman who was SEC Freshman of the Year. Big knock on him is he is not so far a shot creator. His drives are straight at the net. So maybe lateral movement is problematic. Slow shot release but apparently excellent form. His calling card - defence. He can be a scorer and led his team in scoring as a freshman and was second in team boards. He is by all accounts the consummate unselfish player who is a good distributor. He is a 6'6" shoting guard with 7'1" wingspan. He def ticks a lot of boxes and he was coached by Eric Musselman and the reports are high bball IQ. He de# sounds like Raptor material. Will be interesting to find out where the Raps rank him among the many shooting guards in the draft.. If we are 10th pick I could see him as our pick for sure.

Does not look to be very creative, looks to be a safe pick

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I don't think he's a guy that moves the needle for the Raptors at all. If Moody is the only thing that comes out of having a high pick after this terrible year, I'd be extremely disappointed. I don't think he'll be much of a scorer, or at least certainly not a high volume one, because he struggles to create for himself and others. So he also won't be the answer to any end-of-clock halfcourt offence questions this team has.

His defence is quite good, but I think Keon Johnson has a chance to be more significant as a disrupter on that end in the NBA. And I didn't see the skills as a distributor or the high BBIQ in the games that I watched. His assist to turnover ratio was 1-1. Not horrible for a non-point guard "scorer" in his first year in college, but certainly not something that makes it seems as though he'll be anything more than just average at it in the NBA.

Basically, I see his best case scenario as being a Mo Pete type player. And that's an alright player, but certainly not one that will drastically affect a team's outlook. There are lots of similar wing players to be found around the league. I agree with Indeed, he would be a "safe" pick, in that he probably won't be a bust, but I just don't see an impact player either.

But I'll admit that maybe I'm too harsh on him because he was only a freshman, and I didn't see any of his really good games last year, just a couple of so-so regular season games, and then his bad NCAA tournament performances.

Ya, I agree. Gotta see what unique skill they have and/or can they easily outplay our bench to get into the rotation in a year.

Like is the player outside of the top 5, really much better than Flynn, Watson, Yuta, Boucher or Birch at their respective positions? Or a player like Keon have amazing hops or Giddey have elite big man passing, or Scottie Barnes versatile perimeter defense guarding 1-4 or Davion Mitchell's 3 and D skills?

It's tough to judge Jalen Johnson and Franz Wagner's Jack of all trades skills and size but not elite at a single thing. Maybe could be like a Detlef Schremp or turn out like Nicolas Batum?

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I hope we swing for the fences on one of these international guys if we're outside top 6/7.

Giddey, Garuba, Sengun all look intriguing. We can then get the roleplayers with our 2nds.

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Masai didn't draft JV and he passed on Saobonis, id be surprised if we drafted because he's very much not a Masai guy

He traded for Gasol. Signed both Hansbrough and Luis Scola. Tried to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. Masai loves multiskilled, high IQ players, period. Sengun definitely fits.

Hansbrough is more Casey guy, I doubt Ujiri is high on him, and I never heard anything about Aldridge, sounds like rumors.
And Sengun does not fit with the multi positional category of versatility, plus Ujiri likes athletic players, such as Siakam, OG, Powell, Harris, etc.

I don't see Sengun being Ujiri type.

You think Casey was making roster signings?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/spurs-aldridge-swayed-by-ujiris-genuine-spirit/

Aldridge met with the Toronto Raptors, whose general manager, Masai Ujiri, had Aldridge enraptured. He found himself intrigued with Ujiri’s vision of the entire country of Canada behind him, telling Yahoo, “There was a genuine spirit about [Ujiri] that made me more interested in Toronto.”

I'm sure Ujiri loves multi-positional versatile players, but he also loves skill and there's a good argument that Sengun is the most skilled big in the draft after Mobley. Either way, there's a 0% chance Ujiri would pass on Sengun if he thought he was a future star in favour of someone who can play multiple positions.

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He traded for Gasol. Signed both Hansbrough and Luis Scola. Tried to sign LaMarcus Aldridge. Masai loves multiskilled, high IQ players, period. Sengun definitely fits.

Hansbrough is more Casey guy, I doubt Ujiri is high on him, and I never heard anything about Aldridge, sounds like rumors.
And Sengun does not fit with the multi positional category of versatility, plus Ujiri likes athletic players, such as Siakam, OG, Powell, Harris, etc.

I don't see Sengun being Ujiri type.

You think Casey was making roster signings?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/spurs-aldridge-swayed-by-ujiris-genuine-spirit/

Aldridge met with the Toronto Raptors, whose general manager, Masai Ujiri, had Aldridge enraptured. He found himself intrigued with Ujiri’s vision of the entire country of Canada behind him, telling Yahoo, “There was a genuine spirit about [Ujiri] that made me more interested in Toronto.”

I'm sure Ujiri loves multi-positional versatile players, but he also loves skill and there's a good argument that Sengun is the most skilled big in the draft after Mobley. Either way, there's a 0% chance Ujiri would pass on Sengun if he thought he was a future star in favour of someone who can play multiple positions.

Don't see how he can defend in the NBA. His offense relies on footwork, but his lack of vertical may not allow him to finish. There are few skills that I don't see Sengun transition to the NBA, and Ujiri only loves those skills that can be transition.

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Hansbrough is more Casey guy, I doubt Ujiri is high on him, and I never heard anything about Aldridge, sounds like rumors.
And Sengun does not fit with the multi positional category of versatility, plus Ujiri likes athletic players, such as Siakam, OG, Powell, Harris, etc.

I don't see Sengun being Ujiri type.

You think Casey was making roster signings?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/spurs-aldridge-swayed-by-ujiris-genuine-spirit/

Aldridge met with the Toronto Raptors, whose general manager, Masai Ujiri, had Aldridge enraptured. He found himself intrigued with Ujiri’s vision of the entire country of Canada behind him, telling Yahoo, “There was a genuine spirit about [Ujiri] that made me more interested in Toronto.”

I'm sure Ujiri loves multi-positional versatile players, but he also loves skill and there's a good argument that Sengun is the most skilled big in the draft after Mobley. Either way, there's a 0% chance Ujiri would pass on Sengun if he thought he was a future star in favour of someone who can play multiple positions.

Don't see how he can defend in the NBA. His offense relies on footwork, but his lack of vertical may not allow him to finish. There are few skills that I don't see Sengun transition to the NBA, and Ujiri only loves those skills that can be transition.

Okay, but you can't pretend you are Masai Ujiri and dictate that Sengun's skills can't transition to the NBA. Every GM only loves players whose skills will translate in the NBA. It's a non-point. There's no evidence Masai would pass on Sengun based on his previous managerial history. He may like someone more, but that's all you can really say.

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You think Casey was making roster signings?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/spurs-aldridge-swayed-by-ujiris-genuine-spirit/



I'm sure Ujiri loves multi-positional versatile players, but he also loves skill and there's a good argument that Sengun is the most skilled big in the draft after Mobley. Either way, there's a 0% chance Ujiri would pass on Sengun if he thought he was a future star in favour of someone who can play multiple positions.

Don't see how he can defend in the NBA. His offense relies on footwork, but his lack of vertical may not allow him to finish. There are few skills that I don't see Sengun transition to the NBA, and Ujiri only loves those skills that can be transition.

Okay, but you can't pretend you are Masai Ujiri and dictate that Sengun's skills can't transition to the NBA. Every GM only loves players whose skills will translate in the NBA. It's a non-point. There's no evidence Masai would pass on Sengun based on his previous managerial history. He may like someone more, but that's all you can really say.

This is the video I watched, but he seems to have Bargnani defense. The guards couldn't finish, but I doubt that would happen in the NBA.

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He looked competitive defensively in that video. I'm not sure what part of Bargnani that was supposed to remind me of.

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You think Casey was making roster signings?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/spurs-aldridge-swayed-by-ujiris-genuine-spirit/



I'm sure Ujiri loves multi-positional versatile players, but he also loves skill and there's a good argument that Sengun is the most skilled big in the draft after Mobley. Either way, there's a 0% chance Ujiri would pass on Sengun if he thought he was a future star in favour of someone who can play multiple positions.

Don't see how he can defend in the NBA. His offense relies on footwork, but his lack of vertical may not allow him to finish. There are few skills that I don't see Sengun transition to the NBA, and Ujiri only loves those skills that can be transition.

Okay, but you can't pretend you are Masai Ujiri and dictate that Sengun's skills can't transition to the NBA. Every GM only loves players whose skills will translate in the NBA. It's a non-point. There's no evidence Masai would pass on Sengun based on his previous managerial history. He may like someone more, but that's all you can really say.

His recent patter is a player with at least 2 years of NCAA experience. That could be the minimum amount of data needed for IBM Watson.

He passed on 1 and Done Tyrell Terry and Jahmius Ramsey, who I had ahead of Flynn at one point in the process.

He passed on Theo Maledon (looking like a combo guard) and Marko Simonovic (doing fairly well with Petrusev in the Adriatic league).

The last draft picks have been Flynn, Harris, Dewan Hernandez, OG Anunoby, Jakob Poeltl, Pascal Siakam. He learned from Bruno.

If not a Blue Chip 1 and done with the top 5, then I could only see him using a 2nd pick on someone like Todd.

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He looked competitive defensively in that video. I'm not sure what part of Bargnani that was supposed to remind me of.

Step late / hesitating on the help defense.