Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[Yeezus_]

The highest paid Cs next year:

1. Rudy Gobert = $38.2 million / RPM rating for position: 3
2. Joel Embiid = $33.6 million / RPM rating for position: 2
3. Nikola Jokic = $33.1 million / RPM rating for position: 1
4. Deandre Ayton = $30.9 million / RPM rating for position: 21

Obviously the Ayton max contract creates a huge disconnect between salary and performance because RPM shows him to be less impactful than the best players, yet he will be paid like one.

My question is whether this is almost precedent setting for next contracts after rookie deals, in that Ayton is making money comparable to MVP players based on what he could be, rather than what he is currently?

What does it mean for a guy like Scottie Barnes who might not be providing max contract value at the end of his deal. Can we just assume we will have to shell out a max contract?

How is this related to SB?

I mention Scottie at the end. How comfortable are people paying Scottie a max contract at the end of his rookie deal because Ayton kind of sets a precedent. Ayton ain't worthy of a max in those cluster of Cs above.

Will Scottie be worth a max when you comp him to the Luka's or other superstar forwards. Should we expect to pay him that regardless of performance?

This post is 2 years too early. We dont even know the trajectory Barnes is heading towards and it doesn't even matter until he heads into the 2024 offseason.

[Raps in 4]

The highest paid Cs next year:

1. Rudy Gobert = $38.2 million / RPM rating for position: 3
2. Joel Embiid = $33.6 million / RPM rating for position: 2
3. Nikola Jokic = $33.1 million / RPM rating for position: 1
4. Deandre Ayton = $30.9 million / RPM rating for position: 21

Obviously the Ayton max contract creates a huge disconnect between salary and performance because RPM shows him to be less impactful than the best players, yet he will be paid like one.

My question is whether this is almost precedent setting for next contracts after rookie deals, in that Ayton is making money comparable to MVP players based on what he could be, rather than what he is currently?

What does it mean for a guy like Scottie Barnes who might not be providing max contract value at the end of his deal. Can we just assume we will have to shell out a max contract?

What is the point of this comparison?

Ayton just completed his 4th season. Scottie was a rookie, who showed way more promise in his rookie season than Ayton did.

[Raps in 4]

surprise he didnt complain about Pearson unlike everyone in Toronto, and the whole of Canada i guess?

Just got into Pearson about an hour ago from Europe.

Everything went well for us, including connection in Halifax. No issues with baggage either.

Looks like they are getting their **** together.

Two friends of mine travelled this week, they both lost their luggage. Flights were also delayed by a few hours, causing them to miss connecting flights. It's still a **** show, but it's a **** show everywhere right now. Airlines around the world fired all their staff during the pandemic and now that people are travelling again, they aren't prepared for it.

[Madhouse]

The highest paid Cs next year:

1. Rudy Gobert = $38.2 million / RPM rating for position: 3
2. Joel Embiid = $33.6 million / RPM rating for position: 2
3. Nikola Jokic = $33.1 million / RPM rating for position: 1
4. Deandre Ayton = $30.9 million / RPM rating for position: 21

Obviously the Ayton max contract creates a huge disconnect between salary and performance because RPM shows him to be less impactful than the best players, yet he will be paid like one.

My question is whether this is almost precedent setting for next contracts after rookie deals, in that Ayton is making money comparable to MVP players based on what he could be, rather than what he is currently?

What does it mean for a guy like Scottie Barnes who might not be providing max contract value at the end of his deal. Can we just assume we will have to shell out a max contract?

How is this related to SB?

I mention Scottie at the end. How comfortable are people paying Scottie a max contract at the end of his rookie deal because Ayton kind of sets a precedent. Ayton ain't worthy of a max in those cluster of Cs above.

Will Scottie be worth a max when you comp him to the Luka's or other superstar forwards. Should we expect to pay him that regardless of performance?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Barnes was a rookie and you are comparing him to a Center, makes little sense to me. How comfortable are you paying Mobley or Cunningham max value in 2 years?

[Madhouse]

How many American Raptors players travel from Toronto to Montreal to train in the summer?

[WuTang_CMB]

MTL has good basketball programs. Nice to see Scottie enjoying Canada

[Reeko]

Would be pretty jokes if Scottie became a superstar and decided to represent Canada in the Olympics. American media would lose their minds.

[Dalek]

How is this related to SB?

I mention Scottie at the end. How comfortable are people paying Scottie a max contract at the end of his rookie deal because Ayton kind of sets a precedent. Ayton ain't worthy of a max in those cluster of Cs above.

Will Scottie be worth a max when you comp him to the Luka's or other superstar forwards. Should we expect to pay him that regardless of performance?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Barnes was a rookie and you are comparing him to a Center, makes little sense to me. How comfortable are you paying Mobley or Cunningham max value in 2 years?

It is a hard concept to articulate. It isn't only about position, but about oncourt impact as you get to free agency. Ayton is nowhere near the other Cs in value oncourt yet he gets paid the same.

Forget Mobley and Cade, but if Barnes is averaging 18/10/5 by the end of his rookie deal do you feel comfortable paying him $130m or more?

The bigger point is contracts for these lotto picks are going way up and teams are almost hedging on future performance being MVP level when it likely is nowhere close like Ayton. Ayton won't likely live up to his contract and he will be hard to trade in time.

[Los_29]

The highest paid Cs next year:

1. Rudy Gobert = $38.2 million / RPM rating for position: 3
2. Joel Embiid = $33.6 million / RPM rating for position: 2
3. Nikola Jokic = $33.1 million / RPM rating for position: 1
4. Deandre Ayton = $30.9 million / RPM rating for position: 21

Obviously the Ayton max contract creates a huge disconnect between salary and performance because RPM shows him to be less impactful than the best players, yet he will be paid like one.

My question is whether this is almost precedent setting for next contracts after rookie deals, in that Ayton is making money comparable to MVP players based on what he could be, rather than what he is currently?

What does it mean for a guy like Scottie Barnes who might not be providing max contract value at the end of his deal. Can we just assume we will have to shell out a max contract?

You shouldn't focus on position. Jokic and Embiid are going to make close to 50 million after next year. According to Hoopshype, Ayton is the 35th highest paid player in the league. He's not making MVP money.

[Tacoma]

I mention Scottie at the end. How comfortable are people paying Scottie a max contract at the end of his rookie deal because Ayton kind of sets a precedent. Ayton ain't worthy of a max in those cluster of Cs above.

Will Scottie be worth a max when you comp him to the Luka's or other superstar forwards. Should we expect to pay him that regardless of performance?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Barnes was a rookie and you are comparing him to a Center, makes little sense to me. How comfortable are you paying Mobley or Cunningham max value in 2 years?

It is a hard concept to articulate. It isn't only about position, but about oncourt impact as you get to free agency. Ayton is nowhere near the other Cs in value oncourt yet he gets paid the same.

Forget Mobley and Cade, but if Barnes is averaging 18/10/5 by the end of his rookie deal do you feel comfortable paying him $130m or more?

The bigger point is contracts for these lotto picks are going way up and teams are almost hedging on future performance being MVP level when it likely is nowhere close like Ayton. Ayton won't likely live up to his contract and he will be hard to trade in time.

What I think you're saying is if Barnes at the end of his rookie contract is playing like Ayton @ 18/10/5, would he be worth the max? The answer of course is no. But many would argue this is a far fetch hypothetical because Barnes will be better than Ayton.

[WetLikeWater]

I totally forgot how good Scottie was
I can't Imagine how much he can improves next season

Watch on YouTube

[Madhouse]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Barnes was a rookie and you are comparing him to a Center, makes little sense to me. How comfortable are you paying Mobley or Cunningham max value in 2 years?

It is a hard concept to articulate. It isn't only about position, but about oncourt impact as you get to free agency. Ayton is nowhere near the other Cs in value oncourt yet he gets paid the same.

Forget Mobley and Cade, but if Barnes is averaging 18/10/5 by the end of his rookie deal do you feel comfortable paying him $130m or more?

The bigger point is contracts for these lotto picks are going way up and teams are almost hedging on future performance being MVP level when it likely is nowhere close like Ayton. Ayton won't likely live up to his contract and he will be hard to trade in time.

Look at it this way,

17/7/3 25 year old Pascal Siakam received the max rookie contract extension.

18/10/5 23 year old Scottie Barnes?

Yes, very much so.

We also gave a guy averaging 10 points per game 18 million per year. It doesn't take that much and 18/10/5 with impact defense is already damn good with plenty of room to grow.

[Madhouse]

I totally forgot how good Scottie was
I can't Imagine how much he can improves next season

Watch on YouTube

well, there is a reason only a small number of players ever have put up the stats he did last year as a rookie or better. And basically every of those was at least All star level and half HOF.

[HiJiNX]

I totally forgot how good Scottie was
I can't Imagine how much he can improves next season

Watch on YouTube

Best player in the league in his prime.

Dude’s rookie highlight video looks like a superstar in the league already haha. Best part about that video—look at how many of those plays come in crunch time and the 4th Q/OT. You want your best players to play well at the end of games and Barnes already does that. Immense ceiling with this kid.

[grimlock]

I totally forgot how good Scottie was
I can't Imagine how much he can improves next season

Watch on YouTube

Best player in the league in his prime.

Dude’s rookie highlight video looks like a superstar in the league already haha. Best part about that video—look at how many of those plays come in crunch time and the 4th Q/OT. You want your best players to play well at the end of games and Barnes already does that. Immense ceiling with this kid.

Best part of those highlights are how clutch they were. Lots of big plays in close games or late shot clock situations.

[anotherhomer]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Barnes was a rookie and you are comparing him to a Center, makes little sense to me. How comfortable are you paying Mobley or Cunningham max value in 2 years?

It is a hard concept to articulate. It isn't only about position, but about oncourt impact as you get to free agency. Ayton is nowhere near the other Cs in value oncourt yet he gets paid the same.

Forget Mobley and Cade, but if Barnes is averaging 18/10/5 by the end of his rookie deal do you feel comfortable paying him $130m or more?

The bigger point is contracts for these lotto picks are going way up and teams are almost hedging on future performance being MVP level when it likely is nowhere close like Ayton. Ayton won't likely live up to his contract and he will be hard to trade in time.

Look at it this way,

17/7/3 25 year old Pascal Siakam received the max rookie contract extension.

18/10/5 23 year old Scottie Barnes?

Yes, very much so.

We also gave a guy averaging 10 points per game 18 million per year. It doesn't take that much and 18/10/5 with impact defense is already damn good with plenty of room to grow.

That was 2 years ago. Jerami grant avg 12 pts and got 20M

OG is in line for a 26-30M salary soon

[Madhouse]

It is a hard concept to articulate. It isn't only about position, but about oncourt impact as you get to free agency. Ayton is nowhere near the other Cs in value oncourt yet he gets paid the same.

Forget Mobley and Cade, but if Barnes is averaging 18/10/5 by the end of his rookie deal do you feel comfortable paying him $130m or more?

The bigger point is contracts for these lotto picks are going way up and teams are almost hedging on future performance being MVP level when it likely is nowhere close like Ayton. Ayton won't likely live up to his contract and he will be hard to trade in time.

Look at it this way,

17/7/3 25 year old Pascal Siakam received the max rookie contract extension.

18/10/5 23 year old Scottie Barnes?

Yes, very much so.

We also gave a guy averaging 10 points per game 18 million per year. It doesn't take that much and 18/10/5 with impact defense is already damn good with plenty of room to grow.

That was 2 years ago. Jerami grant avg 12 pts and got 20M

OG is in line for a 26-30M salary soon

I'm talking about the rookie extensions, that's what we are talking about.
18/10/5 is pretty certainly a max deal.

[whitehops]

I'm talking about the rookie extensions, that's what we are talking about.
18/10/5 is pretty certainly a max deal.

not that he still wouldn't get a max deal, but with the cap spiking in 2025 last year's class would have max extensions that start at roughly $38 million, and that's with cap smoothing.

it doesn't change the fact that it's still 25% of the cap, but locking in barnes at a fixed number on his extension instead of a % of cap would be ideal for the raps. but obviously barnes would have no reason to sign that when he could make tens of millions more by waiting until he was an RFA.

[anotherhomer]

I'm talking about the rookie extensions, that's what we are talking about.
18/10/5 is pretty certainly a max deal.

not that he still wouldn't get a max deal, but with the cap spiking in 2025 last year's class would have max extensions that start at roughly $38 million, and that's with cap smoothing.

it doesn't change the fact that it's still 25% of the cap, but locking in barnes at a fixed number on his extension instead of a % of cap would be ideal for the raps. but obviously barnes would have no reason to sign that when he could make tens of millions more by waiting until he was an RFA.

Wait, we talking about lowballing our cornerstone and future of franchise?

[whitehops]

Wait, we talking about lowballing our cornerstone and future of franchise?

no, i fully expect siakam to get a max extension when he's up for it.