2023 Draft Prospect discussion

[Psubs]

Ya George's ability to get to the line is amazing. He's got nice creation upside while being big for a guard and a strong defender to boot. If we dont end up with a top 2 pick, he's my fav prospect.

Is his top ceiling, Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3's?

[mademan]

Ya George's ability to get to the line is amazing. He's got nice creation upside while being big for a guard and a strong defender to boot. If we dont end up with a top 2 pick, he's my fav prospect.

Is his top ceiling, Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3's?

Wade is a freak athlete and Keyonte is not.

[Reeko]

Ya George's ability to get to the line is amazing. He's got nice creation upside while being big for a guard and a strong defender to boot. If we dont end up with a top 2 pick, he's my fav prospect.

Is his top ceiling, Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3's?

Wade is a freak athlete and Keyonte is not.

Keyonte is more like Beal than anything.

[Psubs]

Is his top ceiling, Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3's?

Wade is a freak athlete and Keyonte is not.

Keyonte is more like Beal than anything.

Ya, slightly taller Beal that can dunk more.

[PhilBlackson]

Wade is a freak athlete and Keyonte is not.

Keyonte is more like Beal than anything.

Ya, slightly taller Beal that can dunk more.

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

[HumbleRen]

I don’t think it’s fair to hold Baylor against Keyonte.

He’s their 2nd highest ranked recruit of all time lol.

[AbC?]

There are occasional outliers and mitigating circumstances, but If a prospect can't find a way to be efficient at the college level, I don't like their chances of that improving at the NBA level.

I like Jett Howard over most of the top prospects being discussed. 60% TS, great length, NBA pedigree, can hit 3s off-ball or pulling up and has athleticism that allows him to punish the hard closeouts he's seeing.

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[Psubs]

I don’t think it’s fair to hold Baylor against Keyonte.

He’s their 2nd highest ranked recruit of all time lol.

It's like Jaden Ivey at Purdue. Best player since Glenn Robinson almost 30 years ago.

[Reeko]

Keyonte is more like Beal than anything.

Ya, slightly taller Beal that can dunk more.

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

[Psubs]

There are occasional outliers and mitigating circumstances, but If a prospect can't find a way to be efficient at the college level, I don't like their chances of that improving at the NBA level.

I like Jett Howard over most of the top prospects being discussed. 60% TS, great length, NBA pedigree, can hit 3s off-ball or pulling up and has athleticism that allows him to punish the hard closeouts he's seeing.

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He's got 2.6 Ast to 1 TO per game. That's almost better than any PG in this draft over 6'1.

I think he could be like Franz Wagner (who is putting up 20ppg) but able to play SG in the NBA. I think I'd take Howard just before Gradey Dick, Anthony Black and maybe even Cam Whitmore.

Maybe a Keegan Murray with elite passing.

[PhilBlackson]

Ya, slightly taller Beal that can dunk more.

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

Oh WITHOUT QUESTION!

It's know its a bit repititive that he may not be quite an exact replica of Beal, but he will imo at minimum be as good as if Gary had handles & better shot creation ability which would be a completely different level player & at least a near all-star level type of player lol. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's quite as lights out of a scorer as Beal (remember he's put up 30ppg in a season more than once...) although his potential is definitely higher than Gary's as an overall scorer. But Gary with a bag lol (I know how funny that sounds) that would be a pretty damn good SG. I just think to get to Beal's level as a scorer, he'll need to do so by adding strength and a more advanced handle to compensate for the difference in quickness but the skills are there...

My only thing is would that player quite be enough to truly contend?! I think it would be fun & very close but not quite IT. I do think the team needs a superstar scorer (SGA, KD etc) to truly get over the hump. Idk if you just injected even Beal like player with more solid defence is still quite enough tbh maybe I'm wrong. But all in all, I obviously wouldn't complain lol it would still be fun af to be a far more competitive team moving forward!

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

Oh WITHOUT QUESTION!

It's repetitive I know but while he may not be quite an exact replica of Beal, he will imo at minimum be as good as if Gary had handles & better shot creation ability which would be a completely different level player & at least a near all-star level type of player lol. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's quite as lights out of a scorer as Beal (remember he's put up 30ppg in a season more than once...) although his potential is definitely higher than Gary's as an overall scorer. But Gary with a bag lol (I know how funny that sounds) that would be a pretty damn good SG. I just think to get to Beal's level as a scorer, he'll need to do so by adding strength and a more advanced handle to compensate for the difference in quickness but the skills are there...

My only thing is would that player quite be enough to truly contend?! I think it would be fun & very close but not quite IT. I do think the team needs a superstar scorer (SGA, KD etc) to truly get over the hump. Idk if you just injected even Beal like player with more solid defence is still quite enough tbh maybe I'm wrong. But all in all, I obviously wouldn't complain lol it would still be fun af to be a more competitive team moving forward!

I look at it at even getting taller CJ McCollum that can playmake and defend better. CJ isn’t the quickest either but has a nasty handle and can catch and shoot + create for himself. That type of scorer would be great next to Scottie who is more of a passer than a scorer

[OakleyDokely]

I tend to rule out most guys who are inefficient offensively in college. There are exceptions, but it's very hard to go from inefficient college scorer to efficient NBA scorer.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I don’t think he’s a franchise guy or anything but if we were to trade for another lottery pick I think we can make out with guys with all star maybe all nba ceilings

[Syd-TK3]

This draft class looks pretty meh outside of Scoot and Wemby. A lot of the lottery guys are just ok prospects.

Well if we compare it to the Tampa tank year and tier things based on how it looked pre tournament. Wemby and Scoot are above Cade/Mobley/Green
And as things progressed more good prosepect showed out and looked better. I expect a similar situation

[Psubs]

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

Oh WITHOUT QUESTION!

It's know its a bit repititive that he may not be quite an exact replica of Beal, but he will imo at minimum be as good as if Gary had handles & better shot creation ability which would be a completely different level player & at least a near all-star level type of player lol. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's quite as lights out of a scorer as Beal (remember he's put up 30ppg in a season more than once...) although his potential is definitely higher than Gary's as an overall scorer. But Gary with a bag lol (I know how funny that sounds) that would be a pretty damn good SG. I just think to get to Beal's level as a scorer, he'll need to do so by adding strength and a more advanced handle to compensate for the difference in quickness but the skills are there...

My only thing is would that player quite be enough to truly contend?! I think it would be fun & very close but not quite IT. I do think the team needs a superstar scorer (SGA, KD etc) to truly get over the hump. Idk if you just injected even Beal like player with more solid defence is still quite enough tbh maybe I'm wrong. But all in all, I obviously wouldn't complain lol it would still be fun af to be a far more competitive team moving forward!

Keyonte seems to have that swagger and confidence.

Tier 1: Wemby and Scoot

Tier 2: Br Miller, Keyonte, Amen, Howard

Tier 3: Whitmore, Ausar, Dick, Wallace, Black, Smith


For the 2nd pick: Tubelis, Cissoko, Colby Jones, Filipowski, Emoni Bates, I'd be happy if any of them fall or we gamble with Bates.

[HumbleRen]

I don’t think he’s a franchise guy or anything but if we were to trade for another lottery pick I think we can make out with guys with all star maybe all nba ceilings

If we get lucky and land 1/2 then all bets are off but otherwise, I don't think anyone should expecting to get an all nba player or franchise guy in this draft.

We just need young talent at the guard position period right now.

[PhilBlackson]

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

Oh WITHOUT QUESTION!

It's repetitive I know but while he may not be quite an exact replica of Beal, he will imo at minimum be as good as if Gary had handles & better shot creation ability which would be a completely different level player & at least a near all-star level type of player lol. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's quite as lights out of a scorer as Beal (remember he's put up 30ppg in a season more than once...) although his potential is definitely higher than Gary's as an overall scorer. But Gary with a bag lol (I know how funny that sounds) that would be a pretty damn good SG. I just think to get to Beal's level as a scorer, he'll need to do so by adding strength and a more advanced handle to compensate for the difference in quickness but the skills are there...

My only thing is would that player quite be enough to truly contend?! I think it would be fun & very close but not quite IT. I do think the team needs a superstar scorer (SGA, KD etc) to truly get over the hump. Idk if you just injected even Beal like player with more solid defence is still quite enough tbh maybe I'm wrong. But all in all, I obviously wouldn't complain lol it would still be fun af to be a more competitive team moving forward!

I look at it at even getting taller CJ McCollum that can playmake and defend better. CJ isn’t the quickest either but has a nasty handle and can catch and shoot + create for himself. That type of scorer would be great next to Scottie who is more of a passer than a scorer

I'm a thousand with you!

I think we need to leave the draft with some type of player that can turn into a big time scorer. Whether it's Brandon Miller bombin from 3, Ausar turning into a lesser Antman with passing or George as a bucket getter (of course Vic/Scoot then no question you have that). But yeah I think you have to take advantage of having a high pick & a free shot at adding another shot creator as BOBBY flat out said is the thing we need most. Obtaining those kinds of guys through trades isn't cheap especially not anymore, it's going to cost you an arm & leg today...

I won't lie that I wasn't that high the idea of drafting George but the idea of another scorer might be selling on me taking him over Walker as my favorite non-top 6 pick (unless Baba can show any resemblence to his highlights lol). It's just as I stated my concern would be that even at his best (which could be a helluva player), it still might not be QUITE enough as a scorer long term. I think this team needs an elite one to REALLY compete. I'm not sure he has that in him again unless he really adds some strength & Kyrie-like creativity off the bounce (I know it's not possible to match Kyrie's beautiful mind level creativity on court to be clear lol) but if you can add more of that there may be a pathway to being an elite scorer. Nonetheless even if he was just Gary with a crazy bag he'd still likely take the team up a notch & be fun af to watch, so yeah I'd be all for drafting him.

[Reeko]

Said it earlier but I don't think he's quite as quick. I think he's going to have to develop more strength & develop his ballhandling bag even more to create space like Kyrie does to be as effective offensively as Beal.

He's got some nice wiggle to his game. Based on the HoopIntellect video I saw, he seems pretty promising on defense and his playmaking looks pretty good. If we were to draft him, I'd like him more as our SG of the future than Trent.

Oh WITHOUT QUESTION!

It's know its a bit repititive that he may not be quite an exact replica of Beal, but he will imo at minimum be as good as if Gary had handles & better shot creation ability which would be a completely different level player & at least a near all-star level type of player lol. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's quite as lights out of a scorer as Beal (remember he's put up 30ppg in a season more than once...) although his potential is definitely higher than Gary's as an overall scorer. But Gary with a bag lol (I know how funny that sounds) that would be a pretty damn good SG. I just think to get to Beal's level as a scorer, he'll need to do so by adding strength and a more advanced handle to compensate for the difference in quickness but the skills are there...

My only thing is would that player quite be enough to truly contend?! I think it would be fun & very close but not quite IT. I do think the team needs a superstar scorer (SGA, KD etc) to truly get over the hump. Idk if you just injected even Beal like player with more solid defence is still quite enough tbh maybe I'm wrong. But all in all, I obviously wouldn't complain lol it would still be fun af to be a far more competitive team moving forward!

Scoot is the only guy I view as potentially being a generational superstar type of player. Maybe Wemby is too, that's what everyone keeps telling me, but I'm just terrified by the potential for injuries given his height. I say this because I think we get too focused on drafting a superstar that can take us to the promised land. Drafting that type of player is so rare, in the last 22 years how many guys could you say are that type of player? LeBron, Wade, Durant (I'll maintain is debatable until he wins one without Steph), Rose (maybe if not for injuries), Curry, Kawhi, Butler (arguable if he'd had an exceptional supporting cast, which he kind of did in Philly), Lillard (again very arguable), Giannis. Jokic, Tatum, Doncic, Morant, Zion all remain to be seen but many believe they are at that level or can get to that level.

So that's 5 players in 22 years of of the draft that we know for sure could win a title as the top dog of a team, 6 if you want to include Durant. 4 other players who might've been able to if they were placed in more advantageous situations, 3 if you don't include Durant. And 5 guys who we think might be able to ascend to that level but who have yet to prove that they're that guy.

14 guys in the last 22 years who have been, might've been, or may be legit #1 options for a title team. Of course for the more recent draftees a lot of that is still up in the air, but so far none of them have made an impact in the way a Luka has. In those 22 years, approximately 1320 players have been drafted.

So that mentality of "we've gotta find our #1 option for the title team" might as well go out the window because that is way more dependent on luck than anything.

[Los_29]

Ya George's ability to get to the line is amazing. He's got nice creation upside while being big for a guard and a strong defender to boot. If we dont end up with a top 2 pick, he's my fav prospect.

Is his top ceiling, Dwyane Wade that can shoot 3's?

That would be a top 10 player of all-time. So no, I don't think so.