2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[PhilBlackson]

Name one player from this draft who is one teachable skill (name it) from being a top 5 talent.

Anthony Black - shooting. We all know shooting is a major swing piece for a lot of players. But knowing his size, defense, passing and being a guard, his shooting would really catapult him

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Well a consistent jumper could completely change the trajectory of several guys... Ausar, Whitmore & Black.

[NotMyKawhi]

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Bring him home!

Scoot & Scottie would seriously be so much fun to watch for the next near decade and Scoot would bring national media attention back to TOR. Idk how Masai & MLSE aren't factoring that in smh, I can guarantee you the Vic & Scoot rematches will get national TV and as such that will keep Scoot in the minds of American viewers, not that they need it because he's legit almost a household name now and hasn't even played a NBA, let him start having some massive dunks in the league and he'd seriously basically become Ja of the North without the stupid wannabe thug lol and just a desire to be great.

Having MUCH more marketable players like Scoot & Scottie vs completely unsexy names or games like Anunoby & Siakam (love em but it's true), would do wonders for increasing popularity of the Raptors' brand long term. They are seriously sitting on a potential goldmine that it will be inexcusable to me if they stubbornly move forward on a "plan" that clearly isn't one with very obvious limits and does really nothing for the franchise now or the future...

It would change everything. When will we be able to get a chance to get somoene like Scoot again? Prolly never! You have to jump at these opporunties

[Potential]

Found this from the pre 2014 draft. We need to send Masai this Pelton and his pWARP model

Pelton's pWARP model has Jokic becoming a better NBA player than Vonleh. He rates as a top 5 player in the draft.

Jokic is kicking ass in the same Adriatic league that Saric is kicking ass in. He's shooting 64% from 2-point range on pretty high usage. That's tremendous.

[WuTang_CMB]

Name one player from this draft who is one teachable skill (name it) from being a top 5 talent.

Anthony Black - shooting. We all know shooting is a major swing piece for a lot of players. But knowing his size, defense, passing and being a guard, his shooting would really catapult him

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Well a consistent jumper could completely change the trajectory of several guys... Ausar, Whitmore & Black.

Whitemore already in the top 5. I love Black's game cuz he plays it on both ends. With a shot he'd for sure be top 5 consideration

[BoyzNTheHood]

Found this from the pre 2014 draft. We need to send Masai this Pelton and his pWARP model

Pelton's pWARP model has Jokic becoming a better NBA player than Vonleh. He rates as a top 5 player in the draft.

Jokic is kicking ass in the same Adriatic league that Saric is kicking ass in. He's shooting 64% from 2-point range on pretty high usage. That's tremendous.

That makes me think that they were high on Saric too. Is that the case?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Name one player from this draft who is one teachable skill (name it) from being a top 5 talent.

Anthony Black - shooting. We all know shooting is a major swing piece for a lot of players. But knowing his size, defense, passing and being a guard, his shooting would really catapult him

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Yeah, this is definitely one. I’d say Ant Black is top 7 or 8 as is, but with a jump shot he could be top 3.

[PhilBlackson]

Anthony Black - shooting. We all know shooting is a major swing piece for a lot of players. But knowing his size, defense, passing and being a guard, his shooting would really catapult him

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Well a consistent jumper could completely change the trajectory of several guys... Ausar, Whitmore & Black.

Whitemore already in the top 5. I love Black's game cuz he plays it on both ends. With a shot he'd for sure be top 5 consideration

Maaaybe...look at our board, majority of people have DET taking Hendricks & I see a lot of ORL fans favoring Ausar over Cam.

I totally get though that it's already not much of a stretch saying him or Ausar could be but they'd be completely different level prospects with a good jumper (as ofc would Black) and heck I throw Coulibaly in there too, yeah I said it lol. He's not really a horrible shooter but if he was hitting like 80% from the FT line and 37+% from 3, that kid would be top 5 imo, heck I'd probably take him 4th tbh if his shot was that good.

[tdotrep2]

missed out on a lot of quality dudes because we wanted to lose to chicago in the first round of the play in. gonna be a little harder to strike gold at 13 but its still possible.

[WuTang_CMB]

Well a consistent jumper could completely change the trajectory of several guys... Ausar, Whitmore & Black.

Whitemore already in the top 5. I love Black's game cuz he plays it on both ends. With a shot he'd for sure be top 5 consideration

Maaaybe...look at our board, majority of people have DET taking Hendricks & I see a lot of ORL fans favoring Ausar over Cam.

I totally get though that it's already not much of a stretch saying him or Ausar could be but they'd be completely different level prospects with a good jumper (as ofc would Black) and heck I throw Coulibaly in there too, yeah I said it lol. He's not really a horrible shooter but if he was hitting like 80% from the FT line and 37+% from 3, that kid would be top 5 imo, heck I'd probably take him 4th tbh if his shot was that good.

All the mocks have him top 5. That's what I was looking at it. DET is either taking Whitemore or Hendricks and so far Black seems to be slated lower than him. I would probably have Black ranked higher than Whitmore if the shooting was on par. Bigger guard, better defender, playmaker just has more value in a prospect for me.

[Reeko]

Since Black is no longer a realistic target at our range (hasn’t been for awhile). I’ve really come to enjoy Hawkins man. If we can come out of this draft with Scoot (Siakam trade) and Hawkins that would be a dream. Our guard play all of a sudden goes up a level. Bufkin would be a great get too.

I like Hawkins a lot too. Something people bring up though is that if his shot isn't falling, what does he really provide? From the little I've seen of him though, he seems to be way more athletic than a guy like GTJ and a much more adept cutter and finisher at the rim.

Can I ask why you like Hawkins over Podziemski?

I took a closer look at Podz today. His percentages are impressive and his rebounding is exceptional for a guy his size. It's not often that you see 6'5 averaging 9 rebounds per game (I don't care what conference they play in), and it's all the more impressive that he's not gifted athletically by any means. When looking at some of his highlights he looks like he's going to be a good shooter at the NBA level but I question his ability to get to the rim, he doesn't seem to have an exceptional handle and I didn't see anything to indicate that he's particularly adept at changing his pace. He also had a bunch of long floaters that, while looking cool, I question if it's a viable shot in the NBA.

So I have questions about how or if he'll be able to get separation to go down hill. How is is he in the pick and roll? How is he defensively? And what is his wingspan?

[Potential]

Found this from the pre 2014 draft. We need to send Masai this Pelton and his pWARP model

Pelton's pWARP model has Jokic becoming a better NBA player than Vonleh. He rates as a top 5 player in the draft.

Jokic is kicking ass in the same Adriatic league that Saric is kicking ass in. He's shooting 64% from 2-point range on pretty high usage. That's tremendous.

That makes me think that they were high on Saric too. Is that the case?

Found this. It shows his rankings since 2006

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system

[BoyzNTheHood]

Found this from the pre 2014 draft. We need to send Masai this Pelton and his pWARP model

That makes me think that they were high on Saric too. Is that the case?

Found this. It shows his rankings since 2006

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system

It seems pretty inconsistent. It might be decent to find a hidden gem, but I’m not sure another Jokic will be found using his rankings.

[C_Money]

What are your thoughts on Maxwell Lewis? We worked him out apparently.

[PhilBlackson]

Most of the "lure" for me about Bufkin is his shooting because I'm really not that wowed about what he can do off the dribble without it being in a PnR...and with that in mind, if it's mainly shooting as a draw for him, I'm not so sure I'd have him ahead of Jordan Hawkins just because I like the WAY Hawkins gets those 3s more because I'd actually prefer a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands and to run PnRs to better get his shot off.

Hawkins might be ahead of Bufkin for me...

I like the way Hawkins moves so well off the ball which ofc makes sense since he models his game after Klay & Rip Hamilton. But I just think like Klay playing off Dray, that Hawkins would be a really nice fit with Scottie in the same way and allows Scottie to be more useful with the ball in his hands when he knows there's a moving target (actually noticed some minor chemistry with Yuta from that reason but they didn't get to run actions that often together). I also think that kind of motion shooting shifts a defence so much because everyone knows as Hawkins is running, cutting and zig zagging all over the court, they know they gotta watch him and throws a defence way off when they need to track one guy everywhere he goes while other things are going on in the sets but especially when you have a great passer Scottie that can throw passes to spots almost ahead of time or into small pockets. It's just an enticing combo. Not enough to leap frog my top 3 for our pick but he miiiiight be ahead of Bufkin for me, the more I think about his fit & effect could be on an opposing defence.

I'd love to trade Gary to the Lakers (*ahem they were rumored to be interested in him ALL year) for Beasley + 17 and draft Hawkins, assuming he's still there. If not shout out to Marcus Sasser as back up plan lol but heck who knows maybe Bufkin falls to 17, if Hawkins goes ahead of him.

[Syd-TK3]

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[BoyzNTheHood]

One dribble from half court is impressive travel aside

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[Reeko]

If Hawkins can develop his handle he's going to be a problem in the league. I really like the intensity with which he plays. In terms of guys in our range who can help us from day 1, I think he's got to be close to the top of the list and with plenty of upside going forward.

[HumbleRen]

One dribble from half court is impressive travel aside

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Glides in the open court like Scottie lol.

[WuTang_CMB]

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