2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[bballsparkin]

I'm not totally sold on Sheppard, but I also think we tend to overreact to the "big games" of the NCAA tournament, both positively and negatively.

For example, take a look at Brandon Miller in the tournament last year. In his first game he scored 0 points on 0-5 shooting. If his team had lost because the rest of his team didn't step up, it would have been the same situation. As it was, Alabama advanced and he still didn't cover himself in glory, going 5-17 and 3-19 in his next two games. But now he's coming off a great rookie year in the NBA where he'll almost certainly finish 3rd in ROTY voting, and looks like he's on his way to a great career.

Or, if you want point guards, Quickley is another guy that started the NCAA off terribly in his freshman season, going for 0 points on 0-6 shooting in Kentucky's first game of the 2019 tournament. I'd think we'd say he's also doing alright now.

Yeah those are good point. Miller has good size and skills that translate though. I think the concern with him was more off court.

[HangTime]

Who's the best perimeter defender, that's also at least decent passer.
That's who'd I be looking at later on.

[sofargone]

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[TimeForChange]

Risacher had his first good game in 2 months

[TimeForChange]

Who's the best perimeter defender, that's also at least decent passer.
That's who'd I be looking at later on.

stephon castle

[ATLTimekeeper]

To add. The 2014 draft was the most hyped 'strong draft' since 2003 (maybe '07).

It didn't turn out well. Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong.

I think by draft time the hype had muted a bit. Andrew Wiggins was no longer receiving 'generational talent' hype but still went #1. Overall it remains one of the strongest drafts of the last few decades in terms of quality of depth.

Scouts and mocks are consistently wrong in specifics, so rankings are not going to be all that accurate (not that we know NBA boards, really), but usually when they say bad draft it's a bad draft and when they say good draft it's a good draft. What Masai said was that even bad drafts crap out all-stars, which is true, what he and other scouts don't know is who those all-stars are. He's offering a false promise to say it's his job. His job is just to add NBA quality players to his team via the draft, and then help support those players development. Siakam and Fred are good examples of the Raptors finding NBA calibre players who eventually became all-stars. It wasn't because the Raptors identified them as future all-stars. They were calling Siakam an Amir Johnson replacement, and Fred was offered more money by other teams as an UDFA. The guy they valued in that draft with a high pick was Jakob Poeltl.

I disagree. Anecdotally, I've found that they actually don't get strong draft vs weak draft correct at a high rate. We are talking about 25ish drafts for the Raps. There's only been a handful in that timeframe that have been considered 'weak'. Some of those turned out to actually be weak (2013, 2016), others turned out great (2011, 2020). Same thing goes for 'strong' drafts.

In my estimation they don't get it right often enough to give their opinion serious weighting.

On the Masai front, his job is to build a championship team. It requires stars and high end role players. It's his job to find the right mix and/or acquire the assets to trade for said mix. It would benefit him to pick a star vs a high end role player at this stage of a rebuild.

It would benefit every GM to draft a star at every opportunity if they were available, because those are the hardest to acquire. If they could do that, they would be making a lot more than Chris Boucher money. The acquisition cost for trading up or into a draft is still pretty low, with the exception of the top few picks.

As for the experts, I would take a closer look. Weak is usually weak. Strong is usually strong. What they get wrong is who. For example in 2006 when we had the first overall pick it was considered a weak draft. Of course, this draft delivered several all-stars like Paul Milsap, Rajan Rondo and Kyle Lowry late, right? Aldridge was great and Roy would have been great, too. Great draft, right? You look back at the 11th or 12th best player and it looks like Jordan Farmar. That's a **** draft. Scouts got the late ones wrong, but that seems to be the case for every draft where someone goes later on. And it doesn't seem to matter whether it's a weak or strong draft.

[grant101]

Who's the best perimeter defender, that's also at least decent passer.
That's who'd I be looking at later on.

stephon castle

Yep. Devin Carter is a close second (his passing is just ok, but his defence at the point of attack is awesome)

[SpezNc]

Let’s say both are available for Indiana pick:

Devin Carter or Jared McCain ?

[PoundTown]

I could see masai being into either furphy or kyshawn George at Indy’s pick. Both tall and long guards that can defend and shoot and have the potential to grow into a lot more.

[Van_Trump]

https://tankathon.com/


Ho-man!
You don't want me drawing the ping pong balls.

I did it 5 times.

Once 6th pick
Twice 7th
Twice 8th

[bballsparkin]

https://tankathon.com/


Ho-man!
You don't want me drawing the ping pong balls.

I did it 5 times.

Once 6th pick
Twice 7th
Twice 8th

I just did it. 4th! Memphis jumped to 2nd. Portland, Charlotte, and SA all fell back 2 spots which would be good. Not sure I can handle the pressure of drawing the ping pong balls though lol.

[MainEvent]

4 tries and got 4 8 7 4. Will Dick be repping us?

[Zeno]

4 tries and got 4 8 7 4. Will Dick be repping us?

We need to send Yak. Then he can grab the mic if we lose the pick and say what an honour it is to be selected in the lottery twice by the same franchise.

[Thaddy]

I could see masai being into either furphy or kyshawn George at Indy’s pick. Both tall and long guards that can defend and shoot and have the potential to grow into a lot more.

George is the pick if he's available. He has the most potential if you look at his guard skills, size, and ability to shoot the ball. He's a better version of Trey Murphy III. I don't see him being a forward right away but as his body naturally develops it would be his best position, it's also a position of need for us.

[CazOnReal]

Risacher had his first good game in 2 months

FWIW He was coming off of a face injury, if I recall.

4 tries and got 4 8 7 4. Will Dick be repping us?

Dick thrusts the Raptors up to 1st overall pick.

Let’s say both are available for Indiana pick:

Devin Carter or Jared McCain ?

Carter solely so we can screw with people by having him wear #15.

[Zeno]

So when we are watching the lottery and a Spurs card comes up 7th, for example, will we know if that is us or the Spurs pick that dropped?

[BoyzNTheHood]

So when we are watching the lottery and a Spurs card comes up 7th, for example, will we know if that is us or the Spurs pick that dropped?

That would be the Spurs pick. Our pick will still have our logo on it even if we lose it.

[CazOnReal]

Would be the funniest thing if the Spurs own pick fell to 7 and we jumped up to where their pick is right now.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Let’s say both are available for Indiana pick:

Devin Carter or Jared McCain ?

It would be McCain for me. They're approximately the same size so unless we hear something different from the combine testing I don't think there's much difference between them physically.

But McCain is 2 years younger, and is a better shooter. And he's got a very quick release and can shoot it from anyone on the court. I think that'll play anytime in the NBA. I also think his first step is pretty good, and he seems to have an innate understanding of when to attack closeouts and to make the right play after he does it.

Carter I like as well, but I don't think his shooting or decision-making is quite as good as McCain's, and I see him as a high usage guy in college that won't get those same opportunities in the NBA. He's a tough and gritty player, but I also find that on a lot of his drives he doesn't really get separation, and just sort of grinds and pushes his way to the paint. I don't think that'll work as well at the next level.

I like them both, but I'd take McCain over Carter if that's the choice with the Indy pick.

[Zeno]

So when we are watching the lottery and a Spurs card comes up 7th, for example, will we know if that is us or the Spurs pick that dropped?

That would be the Spurs pick. Our pick will still have our logo on it even if we lose it.

Really? Okay, that’s good atleast we’ll know right away.