Raptors/Hawks Deal Going Down? (Rumour)

dillio · Post #21 » by **dillio** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:54 pm

I don't mind Bibby + an expiring for Calderon + Dorsey, but the only Hawks expiring is Jamaal Crawford (not a big) at $10 million.

Bibby + Pachulia?
Bibby + Marvin Williams?

Seems like the only way the deal works is if we add long term salary. Which I guess makes sense because it's the only way Atlanta would swap Bibby for Calderon.

Reignman · Post #22 » by **Reignman** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:55 pm

So Zaza has 2 more years after this one but it's not too bad, just over $5 mil per which is decent for a back up big.

I'd do Jose + Dorsey for Zaza + Bibby.

Edit: Ideally we get a pick or Teague who I was very high on out of the draft

Crazy-Canuck · Post #23 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:56 pm

Bibby+Marvin for Jose+Kleiza also works in the checker and isnt bad for both teams.

vancityballer · Post #24 » by **vancityballer** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:57 pm

Macho wrote:Calderon and Bargs for Bibby and Horford? sign me up!!!

Do not sign me up. Who is going to create their own offense? Horford would be awesome beside Bargs, but w/o Bargs he would be a good defensive centre that needs an offensive PF to play off. Would that be Davis? Or Amir? Or Joey? Or Reggie? I like his game, but losing Bargs for him is illogical.

Post #25 » by **LittleOzzy** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:59 pm

The only thing that is throwing me off is that he mentioned both teams waived players today.

That makes me think it's more then a two for two deal and that it may be a deal involving a third player or a third team. Neither team would of had to waive anyone if it was a two for two deal.

[SJJ] · Post #26 » by **[SJJ]** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:59 pm

Zaza doesn't get enough respect in this league - I wouldn't mind getting him on this team.

goinrogue · Post #27 » by **goinrogue** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:59 pm

In the trade predictions thread, I predicted Jose would be traded in order to make room for Bayless to get more playing time. I said I think BC is high on Bayless and wants to develop him more. If this trade goes down, I think it's partly about sheading salary but also most definitely about handing the keys over to J-Bay. What do we have to lose? We're not going anywhere this season anyway, and this season would signify that BC is dedicated to the rebuilding process.
I noticed a lot of Raps-related trades on the trade board are centered around Barbosa, but I can see BC trying to move Jose over Leandro. Barbossa and BC have a history, of course, and BC loves his combo guards. Plus, Barbosa is much younger than Jose and less injury-prone.

[SJJ] · Post #28 » by **[SJJ]** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:00 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:The only thing that is throwing me off is that he mentioned both teams waived players today.

That makes me think it's more then a two for two deal and that it may be a deal involving a thirst player or a third team. Neither team would of had to waive anyone if it was a two for two deal.

Good observation! hhmm

Post #29 » by **theSkinny** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:01 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Who's the big coming back? Pachulia?

That would be my guess.

Ew?

Reignman · Post #30 » by **Reignman** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:01 pm

vancityballer wrote:
Macho wrote:Calderon and Bargs for Bibby and Horford? sign me up!!!

Do not sign me up. Who is going to create their own offense? Horford would be awesome beside Bargs, but w/o Bargs he would be a good defensive centre that needs an offensive PF to play off. Would that be Davis? Or Amir? Or Joey? Or Reggie? I like his game, but losing Bargs for him is illogical.

You wouldn't do that deal? Wow. We'd essentially become a more traditional team where we'd probably look for our offense from our perimeter while our interior protects the rim. And Horford's offensive game is developing quite nicely as well.

reez87 · Post #31 » by **reez87** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:02 pm

vancityballer wrote:
Macho wrote:Calderon and Bargs for Bibby and Horford? sign me up!!!

Do not sign me up. Who is going to create their own offense? Horford would be awesome beside Bargs, but w/o Bargs he would be a good defensive centre that needs an offensive PF to play off. Would that be Davis? Or Amir? Or Joey? Or Reggie? I like his game, but losing Bargs for him is illogical.

Obviously trading bargs for horford doesn't instantly make us playoff contenders but we can build through the draft with a traditional (yet short) C, rather than awkwardly trying to accomodate for Bargnani's all offensive, no defensive play

timdunkit · Post #32 » by **timdunkit** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:03 pm

Reignman wrote:So Zaza has 2 more years after this one but it's not too bad, just over $5 mil per which is decent for a back up big.

I'd do Jose + Dorsey for Zaza + Bibby.

Edit: Ideally we get a pick or Teague who I was very high on out of the draft

My only concern with Zaza is that it gives us a crowded frontcourt even if we are expecting a Reggie trade.

BC might have a trade lined up for one of Amir/Ed/Bargs? .... woops did i say Bargs

i meant Amir or Ed 8-)

JN · Post #33 » by JN » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:03 pm

Bibby is at 5.76
Calderon is at 9.00

Atlanta has to add something to get within 25%, buy they also want to make sure they don't take on more then $1.4M of additional salary this year to stay under the lux tax.

2 Options Seems to be
a) Add Maurice Evans - 2.5M expiring and call it a day.

Then the Raps would also save about $3.5M of cap space next year as well.

b) I can see the Hawks adding Zaza Pachulia, so they only have to take on about $5M extra salary in 2012/2013 (4.2,4.7,5.2). I guess a Scrub Big to fill his roster spot like Dorsey would then work.

I am not that excited by option b)

Post #34 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:03 pm

Let me put my speculation hat on:

Calderon makes 9m
Bibby makes 5.5m

Jason Collins can't be traded without his permission,
Etan Thomas, Pape Sy, and Josh Powell all make sub 1m.

Atlanta is $39,787 shy of the tax threshold, so they are not adding salary.

Bibby + ZaZa = 9.81m
Calderon + Dorsey = 9.85m

Dropping them into the tax.

However, Calderon for Bibby + ZaZa would save them .81m right now.

Lionel Messi · Post #35 » by **Lionel Messi** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:04 pm

I hate Bibby, but I also hate the idea of paying Jose $20M for the next 2 seasons after this.
I doubt we're getting Zaza, he's a pretty key piece for them.

mintsa · Post #36 » by **mintsa** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:04 pm

goinrogue wrote:In the trade predictions thread, I predicted Jose would be traded in order to make room for Bayless to get more playing time. I said I think BC is high on Bayless and wants to develop him more. If this trade goes down, I think it's partly about sheading salary but also most definitely about handing the keys over to J-Bay. What do we have to lose? We're not going anywhere this season anyway, and this season would signify that BC is dedicated to the rebuilding process.
I noticed a lot of Raps-related trades on the trade board are centered around Barbosa, but I can see BC trying to move Jose over Leandro. Barbossa and BC have a history, of course, and BC loves his combo guards. Plus, Barbosa is much younger than Jose and less injury-prone.

20 Leandro Barbosa G 6-3 202 11/28/1982 Sau Paulo, Brazil 7
8 Jose Calderon G 6-3 210 09/28/1981 Villanueva de la Serena, Spain 5

He's actually only a year younger.

Post #37 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:05 pm

First, thanks for posting Ozzy.

I hope this goes down. I'd do Bibby + Zaza for Calderon in a second. I'd then probably look to move both Bibby and Zaza but I don't think it would be that difficult.

Strategist1 · Post #38 » by **Strategist1** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:05 pm

I hope this goes down......... Jose, good guy, ..but its time to move on.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #39 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:05 pm

Warned

Fairview4Life · Post #40 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:05 pm

Waiving guys today doesn't mean anything. It's 10 day contract season.