Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

DreamTeam09 · Post #1171 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:17 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:
His handle will improve, and although he doesn't have a quick first step right now, he understands spacing, and how to use his intelligence to get himself to the line. This kid's gonna be a great pro.

Does triple threat position hinder his quick first step development? Because every time he catches the ball he'll subconsciously and automatically do the triple threat stand as opposed to catch and drive quickly.

It wouldnt hinder your 1st step. Because you can obvously have a great 1st step outta the triple threat position. But if you dont go to the triple threat and just catch and move with the ball in stride then that should get you moving quicker. A lot of ppl tend to travel when doing that tho.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1172 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:21 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:
His handle will improve, and although he doesn't have a quick first step right now, he understands spacing, and how to use his intelligence to get himself to the line. This kid's gonna be a great pro.

Does triple threat position hinder his quick first step development? Because every time he catches the ball he'll subconsciously and automatically do the triple threat stand as opposed to catch and drive quickly.

It wouldnt hinder your 1st step. Because you can obvously have a great 1st step outta the triple threat position. But if you dont go to the triple threat and just catch and move with the ball in stride then that should get you moving quicker. A lot of ppl tend to travel when doing that tho.

CunningLinguist · Post #1173 » by **CunningLinguist** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:22 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:I have seen Perry play a couple games this yr and I haven't seen him break anyone down either. I don't think its because of lack of ability as oppose to lack of opportunity. Baylor didn't put him in any iso positions as far as I am aware of. In his mixes theres clips of him breaking ppl down like a gaurd would. He was killin **** in da All american game & HS and being only a freshman, I don't see how he could of lost that ability over the span of less than a yr.

He was doing that against high school players and mostly in situations without much ball pressure

DreamTeam09 · Post #1174 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:31 pm

Bargs does get called for travel on that move, although some of the times he gets called for it while even doing it cleanly. Refs dont like giving any advantages...

baulderdash77 · Post #1175 » by **baulderdash77** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:33 pm

By the way. During the recent UNC surge John Henson is now averaging 12.9/12.3 w/ 3.5 blocks in 30.5 minutes. Also his FT% was 59% in that time which is remarkable in that it was hovering around 40% before that period.

He was named ACC Defensive Player of the Year this week.

He's also made a remarkable improvement.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1176 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:43 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:By the way. During the recent UNC surge John Henson is now averaging 12.9/12.3 w/ 3.5 blocks in 30.5 minutes. Also his FT% was 59% in that time which is remarkable in that it was hovering around 40% before that period.

He was named ACC Defensive Player of the Year this week.

He's also made a remarkable improvement.

Honestly, out of this whole draft, I really believe that John Henson is the only no-brainer out of the lottery, and in some ways, kinda reminds me of Ed Davis. Everybody else pretty much has very high bust potential.

The safest pick for us (Top 5) would be Terrence Jones.

I just worry that he doesn't have that "it" factor. That guy who's gonna take your last shot in crunch time. I believe he'll be a good NBA player though. Barnes, on the other hand, seems to possess that extra gear. My worry with him is that he seems to be a spot-up shooter right now. He doesn't really put the ball on the floor much.

Derrick Williams is interesting as well but I don't feel that "star" vibe. Looks like he could be an NBA tweener too.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1177 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:By the way. During the recent UNC surge John Henson is now averaging 12.9/12.3 w/ 3.5 blocks in 30.5 minutes. Also his FT% was 59% in that time which is remarkable in that it was hovering around 40% before that period.

He was named ACC Defensive Player of the Year this week.

He's also made a remarkable improvement.

Seems like the perfect pick for the Detroit Pistons, to pair Henson with Monroe.

sunny · Post #1178 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:01 pm

Arizona is about to play Washington in the championship game of the pacific life pac-10 tournament.
If you have yet to watch Dwill play, I recommend you check him out on tv. The game will be on CBS and streamed legally on the cbs website.

As for all the people hyping up Barnes today... I dont see how his performance today really did much for his stock.
He didn't show anything new to his game. He scored points by taking open shots for the most part. He scored on a fumbled allyoop down low, and had a nice play near the end of regulation where he took two steps in and dropped back for a 3.
Players at UNC play how Roy Williams wants them to. It's possible Barnes has more to his game than what he is showing, but he is playing a position that is effective with UNC's system (drive-pass to post- kick to an open Barnes).

baulderdash77 · Post #1179 » by **baulderdash77** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:02 pm

If Henson was 230 lbs instead of 210 lbs I think he'd be a top 5 pick without a doubt. He's either going to fill out like Marcus Camby or he's going to be a bust IMO.

His measurements are going to be a big deciding factor in where he gets drafted.

tcee · Post #1180 » by **tcee** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:09 pm

quick recap of barnes' 40 points today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AJFWX-yLgY

Kid Canada · Post #1181 » by **Kid Canada** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:10 pm

henson will be a good player. i dont know what position but he will be a good addition to any team. i would like to see barnes go number one so we have a better chance at irving

Brinbe · Post #1182 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:13 pm

For anyone else interested, chance right now to watch D-Will/Zona now against the Huskies, with Gus on the mic.

jsmith · Post #1183 » by **jsmith** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:17 pm

is the Big 12 championship on tv in Canada?

turner10 · Post #1184 » by **turner10** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:21 pm

wish the kansas-texas game was on tv..

fredericklove · Post #1185 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:21 pm

tcee wrote:quick recap of barnes' 40 points today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AJFWX-yLgY

Nice!

Salted Meat · Post #1186 » by **Salted Meat** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:24 pm

sunny wrote:Arizona is about to play Washington in the championship game of the pacific life pac-10 tournament.
If you have yet to watch Dwill play, I recommend you check him out on tv. The game will be on CBS and streamed legally on the cbs website.

As for all the people hyping up Barnes today... I dont see how his performance today really did much for his stock.
He didn't show anything new to his game. He scored points by taking open shots for the most part. He scored on a fumbled allyoop down low, and had a nice play near the end of regulation where he took two steps in and dropped back for a 3.
Players at UNC play how Roy Williams wants them to. It's possible Barnes has more to his game than what he is showing, but he is playing a position that is effective with UNC's system (drive-pass to post- kick to an open Barnes).

Correction: Barnes scored 40 points by taking mostly open shots, and drilling clutch 3's in the dying minutes of the game, and in overtime. He also iced the game by hitting his free throws when Clemson had to foul to stay alive at the end.

Not only that, but he had 8 rebounds (4 offensive), and played stellar defense, including showing he can defend quicker, smaller guards like Andre Young when Young was giving Marshall fits and blowing by him at will.

Barnes had the game of his NCAA career, carrying his team to the ACC finals, and you don't think that did anything for his stock? I think he's easily back in the conversation for a top 6 or 7 pick, which is a huge step up from where he fell on a lot of people's mocks.

yayotube · Post #1187 » by **yayotube** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:29 pm

Derrick Williams looks good so far I just hope he can defend SF's in the NBA, looks like he has the handles/ability to create his own shot and 3 point ability

sunny · Post #1188 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:31 pm

Yes, Barnes played a great game.
He didn't show scouts anything new that they had not seen before though.
Clemson tailored their entire defence for Barnes to get the ball too.

sunny · Post #1189 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:33 pm

yayotube wrote:Derrick Williams looks good so far I just hope he can defend SF's in the NBA, looks like he has the handles/ability to create his own shot and 3 point ability

He can drive by anyone at will. He will either get the basket or get a foul called. Rarely will one of his plays end without him scoring.
He averages over 18 points a game and he takes less than 9 shots almost everygame.

sunny · Post #1190 » by **sunny** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:35 pm

As Arizona does not have a centre (or really any serviceable big men), Derrick usually has to guard/is guarded by the other teams biggest players.

When an opposing team has two guys who are 6'9+, he tends to have to work much harder to score.