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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Tue Jan 8, 2013 5:49 pm
by Raptorfan2012
DA_SCOUT wrote:Memphis and Phoenix are engaged in talks about Rudy Gay according to Woj on Yahoo.
I don't get this, I thought Suns owner was a cheapskate...
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:36 pm
by YoungG
IT doesn't make sense and Toronto is going to miss out on an opportunity to get a STARTER type of player. No more role players
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:45 pm
by TheGoodDoctor
Introducing the Toronto Raptors new SF of the future.......
OMRI CASSPI!!!
*they scared now*
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:48 pm
by Neutral 123
Raptorfan2012 wrote:DA_SCOUT wrote:Memphis and Phoenix are engaged in talks about Rudy Gay according to Woj on Yahoo.
I don't get this, I thought Suns owner was a cheapskate...
Not MLSE cheap though.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:55 am
by Rapsfan07
We need to stay away from Gay. No use in dealing assets for an overpaid starter and the furthest we're gonna get is a first round exit. Why lock ourselves into mediocrity?
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:35 am
by ballislife
Jennings
Ilyasova
For
Lowry
Bargnani
I think Lowry's out once his contract is up with us, and we all know Bargnani is detrimental to this team. Jennings seems like he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee and I think he'd stay with us long term along side one of his best friends in DeRozan. Ilyasova can still rebound and provide the "space" Casey loves at 4 better than Bargnani.
I think BC is hesitant to deal either Ross or DeRozan in deals for Gay, but one of them is going to be needed if we really want to get him.
Ross
Calderon
filler
for
Gay
Wroten
A lineup of:
Jennings/Wroten (going have to improve backup PG for now)
DeRozan/Anderson
Gay/Fields
Ilyasova/Ed
Valanciunas/Amir
Definitely looks like a more explosive/young team that has a better chance of contending for playoffs in the east.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:56 pm
by Raps Militia
Calderon + Kleiza + first round pick + 2nd round from Sac
for
Gay and Wroten
Lowry / Lucas / Wroten
DeRozan / Anderson / Ross
Gay / Pietrus / Fields
Bargnani / Davis / Acy
Valanciunas / Johnson / Gray
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:15 pm
by Mister Ze
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aj3flpm Lowry/Price/Lucas
Demar/Anderson
Gay/Fields
Davis/Amir
Val/Okafor/Gray
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:50 pm
by YoungD23
Bargnani, Calderon, Fields & Kleiza for Gay and Randolph. End of story.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:08 pm
by bpcox05
bpcox05 wrote:Kings Get:
Jose Calderon
Ed Davis
Raptors Get:
Marcus Thornton
Aaron Brooks
Travis Outlaw
Kings Lineup:
PG - Calderon/Thomas
SG - Evans/Fredette/Garcia
SF - Salmons/Johnson/Honeycutt
PF - Thompson/Robinson/Hayes
C - Cousins/Davis
Raptors Lineup:
PG - Lowry/Brooks/Lucas
SG - Thornton/Anderson/Ross
SF - Derozan/Pietrus/Fields/Kleiza/Outlaw
PF - Bargnani/Johnson
C - Valanciunas/Gray
What do you guys think of this trade? We get a good scoring SG who isn't doing too well right now so he is probably cheaper to get, and we get a solid replacement PG in Brooks to backup Lowry all for the price of Davis considering Calderon is gone next season.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:26 pm
by Baby Bop
basic framework of the deal. Final could involve draft picks, young players, more bad contracts...
Lakers Out: Pau Gasol, Metta World Peace
Lakers In: Andrea Bargnani, Rudy Gay
Lakers gain youth and better fits, taking on longer-term salary to pay the price for it.
Howard /Hill
Bargnani /Jamison
Gay /Ebanks
Bryant /Meeks
Nash /Morris
Grizzlies Out: Zach Randolph, Rudy Gay
Grizzlies In: Pau Gasol, DeMar DeRozan, Jose Calderon
Shorter contracts, as well as a useful player and big expiring in Jose. DeMar isn't much worse, but is a less costly version of Rudy.
Gasol /Speights
Gasol /Arthur
DeRozan /Pondexter
Allen /Bayless
Calderon /Conley
Raptors Out: DeMar DeRozan, Andrea Bargnani, Jose Calderon
Raptors In: Zach Randolph, Metta World Peace
Get into the Playoffs and possible make some noise for the first time in a long time.
Valanciunas /Johnson
Randolph /Davis
World Peace /Fields
Anderson /Ross /Pietrus
Lowry /Lucas
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:36 pm
by Left Side Drive
Sorry to burst your bubble but Memphis is not trading Zach Randolph. They only tested the waters to see what they could get even with his huge contract. Only Rudy is on the trading block. Like many fans have said and I'm sure the front office for the Grizzlies know too that Randolph and Gasol are their core.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:00 pm
by Lippo
ballislife wrote:Jennings
Ilyasova
For
Lowry
Bargnani
I think Lowry's out once his contract is up with us, and we all know Bargnani is detrimental to this team. Jennings seems like he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee and I think he'd stay with us long term along side one of his best friends in DeRozan. Ilyasova can still rebound and provide the "space" Casey loves at 4 better than Bargnani.
I think BC is hesitant to deal either Ross or DeRozan in deals for Gay, but one of them is going to be needed if we really want to get him.
Ross
Calderon
filler
for
Gay
Wroten
A lineup of:
Jennings/Wroten (going have to improve backup PG for now)
DeRozan/Anderson
Gay/Fields
Ilyasova/Ed
Valanciunas/Amir
Definitely looks like a more explosive/young team that has a better chance of contending for playoffs in the east.
Bucks Laugh
Bargs is a huge negative asset
Jennings>Lowry
Jennings/Gooden
for
Lowry/Bargs/1st(top 10 protected)
...might get it done.
and trust me Id love for those trades to happen and I would just become a Raptors
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1224124
I would love any team that has BJ/DD/Gay as the 1,2,3 but my fellow Bucks fans wouldn't touch any DD trade, so screw em.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:54 pm
by bpcox05
Lippo wrote:ballislife wrote:Jennings
Ilyasova
For
Lowry
Bargnani
I think Lowry's out once his contract is up with us, and we all know Bargnani is detrimental to this team. Jennings seems like he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee and I think he'd stay with us long term along side one of his best friends in DeRozan. Ilyasova can still rebound and provide the "space" Casey loves at 4 better than Bargnani.
I think BC is hesitant to deal either Ross or DeRozan in deals for Gay, but one of them is going to be needed if we really want to get him.
Ross
Calderon
filler
for
Gay
Wroten
A lineup of:
Jennings/Wroten (going have to improve backup PG for now)
DeRozan/Anderson
Gay/Fields
Ilyasova/Ed
Valanciunas/Amir
Definitely looks like a more explosive/young team that has a better chance of contending for playoffs in the east.
Bucks Laugh
Bargs is a huge negative asset
Jennings>Lowry
Jennings/Gooden
for
Lowry/Bargs/1st(top 10 protected)
...might get it done.
and trust me Id love for those trades to happen and I would just become a Raptors
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1224124
I would love any team that has BJ/DD/Gay as the 1,2,3 but my fellow Bucks fans wouldn't touch any DD trade, so screw em.
Jennings is not better than Lowry. Maybe he is the better fantasy player, but he still might not even win that argument. Lowry is a much better defender and has a solid NBA body with great strength. The only thing Jennings has over Lowry is quickness yet Lowry is still a much better defender. Let's look at both of their averages for the last 3 years:
Jennings: 162 GP, 35.5 MPG, 16.0 FGA, 40.5 FG%, 5.4 3PTA, 33.5 3PT%, 3.7 FTA, 81.4 FT%, 17.8 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.3 TOPG
Lowry: 143 GP, 32.8 MPG, 10.9 FGA, 42.0 FG%, 4.5 3PTA, 37.4 3PT%, 3.9 FTA, 81.3 FT%, 14.0 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.4 TOPG
While averaging less minutes over the past 3 years, Lowry is averaging more rebounds and more assists than Jennings. He gets to the foul line more and is a much more efficient shooter from the floor and from 3. He is not a chucker and gets an efficient 14.0 PPG on 10.9 FGA while Jennings gets 17.8 PPG on 16.0 FGA. Bottom line, Lowry is an all-around player who can do it all (and do it all within the flow of his offense). Jennings is a "me" player or as I like to call them "chuckers". Lowry's style of play will help his team win more often than Jennings' style of play.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:55 pm
by ItsDanger
After Burke's firing today, it should be clear to BC, make some progress or you're next. Could provide the push necessary for a trade finally.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:01 pm
by Lippo
That being said, would you trade Lowry for Jennings if the contracts were not an issue?
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:13 pm
by Lippo
bpcox05 wrote:Lippo wrote:ballislife wrote:Jennings
Ilyasova
For
Lowry
Bargnani
I think Lowry's out once his contract is up with us, and we all know Bargnani is detrimental to this team. Jennings seems like he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee and I think he'd stay with us long term along side one of his best friends in DeRozan. Ilyasova can still rebound and provide the "space" Casey loves at 4 better than Bargnani.
I think BC is hesitant to deal either Ross or DeRozan in deals for Gay, but one of them is going to be needed if we really want to get him.
Ross
Calderon
filler
for
Gay
Wroten
A lineup of:
Jennings/Wroten (going have to improve backup PG for now)
DeRozan/Anderson
Gay/Fields
Ilyasova/Ed
Valanciunas/Amir
Definitely looks like a more explosive/young team that has a better chance of contending for playoffs in the east.
Bucks Laugh
Bargs is a huge negative asset
Jennings>Lowry
Jennings/Gooden
for
Lowry/Bargs/1st(top 10 protected)
...might get it done.
and trust me Id love for those trades to happen and I would just become a Raptors
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1224124
I would love any team that has BJ/DD/Gay as the 1,2,3 but my fellow Bucks fans wouldn't touch any DD trade, so screw em.
Jennings is not better than Lowry. Maybe he is the better fantasy player, but he still might not even win that argument. Lowry is a much better defender and has a solid NBA body with great strength. The only thing Jennings has over Lowry is quickness yet Lowry is still a much better defender. Let's look at both of their averages for the last 3 years:
Jennings: 162 GP, 35.5 MPG, 16.0 FGA, 40.5 FG%, 5.4 3PTA, 33.5 3PT%, 3.7 FTA, 81.4 FT%, 17.8 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.3 TOPG
Lowry: 143 GP, 32.8 MPG, 10.9 FGA, 42.0 FG%, 4.5 3PTA, 37.4 3PT%, 3.9 FTA, 81.3 FT%, 14.0 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.4 TOPG
While averaging less minutes over the past 3 years, Lowry is averaging more rebounds and more assists than Jennings. He gets to the foul line more and is a much more efficient shooter from the floor and from 3. He is not a chucker and gets an efficient 14.0 PPG on 10.9 FGA while Jennings gets 17.8 PPG on 16.0 FGA. Bottom line, Lowry is an all-around player who can do it all (and do it all within the flow of his offense). Jennings is a "me" player or as I like to call them "chuckers". Lowry's style of play will help his team win more often than Jennings' style of play.
Head To Head:
Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Brandon Jennings 3 2 1 3 36.7 7.3 18.7 .393 3.7 7.0 .524 3.0 4.0 .750 0.3 1.0 1.3 5.3 0.0 0.0 1.3 2.0 21.3
Kyle Lowry 3 1 2 2 33.7 2.7 12.3 .216 1.3 5.3 .250 2.0 3.0 .667 1.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 0.3 0.3 2.0 1.3 8.7
and Jennings is 4-5 years younger.
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:24 pm
by sweetcity
Rather then get Rudy Gay id rather target Cousins, who I think is a way way better player and has AS potential.
Toronto Trades - Calderon + DeRozan + Ed Davis
Toronto Gets - Cousins Thornton Salmons Bayless
Kings Trade - Cousins Thornton Salmons
Kings Get - Ed Davis + Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten
Memphis Trades - Gay + Wroten
Memphis Gets - Calderon + DeRozan
Raps
Lowry - Lucas -
Thornton - Ross - Salmons
Fields - Anderson - Salmons
Cousins - Bargnani
JV - Amir - Bargnani
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:27 pm
by kingcns187
sweetcity wrote:Rather then get Rudy Gay id rather target Cousins, who I think is a way way better player and has AS potential.
Toronto Trades - Calderon + DeRozan + Ed Davis
Toronto Gets - Cousins Thornton Salmons Bayless
Kings Trade - Cousins Thornton Salmons
Kings Get - Ed Davis + Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten
Memphis Trades - Gay + Wroten
Memphis Gets - Calderon + DeRozan
Raps
Lowry - Lucas -
Thornton - Ross - Salmons
Fields - Anderson - Salmons
Cousins - Bargnani
JV - Amir - Bargnani
Cousins at the 4??? LOL
Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II
Posted: Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:48 pm
by ballislife
Lippo wrote:That being said, would you trade Lowry for Jennings if the contracts were not an issue?
Yea, I'd do it. Jennings is younger and there's more security with him being on our team than Lowry. I love Lowry, and if he'd agree to an extension, I'd definitely rather have him. But I don't think that'll happen... Jennings loves Toronto and he's a young promising PG who has a good relationship with some of the guys on our team already. I would roll the dice with Jennings as our PG going forward.