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At this point, as long as he penetrates and draws fouls I'll be content. Waiting for Ross to be the clear-cut starter..one day..

DD cant be part of the core but he was just extended for a multi-year contract... uhm...

derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year and can be a solid guard, but I think he can be apart of the core, but not the guy, just a complementary player. We need a franchise player.

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year and can be a solid guard, but I think he can be apart of the core, but not the guy, just a complementary player. We need a franchise player.

Bargs is not playing, whats the excuse now?

We dont have any core players right now. JVal has got some potential, but unsure how that plays out.

Everyone else is blah...

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year and can be a solid guard, but I think he can be apart of the core, but not the guy, just a complementary player. We need a franchise player.

Still not a reliable shooter, defender, attacker, or ball handler... As our starting SG who plays huge minutes, he's hurt us in a lot of games. If he continues to be treated like a main guy, we're in trouble for years to come.

erekose200 wrote:Ross is already better than Demar.

Ross has done diddly squat since his 26-pt night against Portland on Jan 2nd. His season avg is 7ppg, 2rpg on 40% shooting, below expectations for a 22-year old "NBA Ready" SG. In contrast, DeRozan was only 20 yrs old in his rookie year when he avg 9ppg, 3rpg on 50% shooting. They're only about 1 year apart in age, so it's not like Ross has more years to improve. It's certainly not clear cut who will have the better career and Ross is definitely not already better than DD.

If BC's Raptors have a core, it's a core of mediocre role players and DD fits snugly into this "core." If you mean "core" as in core of players you build around, then they have exactly 1, JV. They would've had 2 if BC had selected Drummond, but I digress.

C_Money wrote:

JustaKnickFan wrote:DD's rebounding seems very overrated. The more I watch Raptors game, the more I realize that the only rebounds DD grabs are the defensive rebounds where 3 Raptors are around it and maybe only 1 player from the other team.

Yes he sucks at rebounding but that is just one of many things that he can't do. He also can't play defence, pass, shoot, or drive to the basket. So really WTF is he actually doing out there?

Wow DD must be out of $$$ from paying the other NBA player to LET him Average almost 18 & 5 there are more than 15 other teams who SG do not produce at these rates. With him sucking so much I would say he must be blackmailing them so we should D League him ASAP

Rapsalot wrote:Wow DD must be out of $$$ from paying the other NBA player to LET him Average almost 18 & 5 there are more than 15 other teams who SG do not produce at these rates. With him sucking so much I would say he must be blackmailing them so we should D League him ASAP

Well maybe it's because no other team hands an avg player 37mins on a silver platter, seriously anyone can score 17 PPG if given 37 mins. Bring any chucker on the raps and have have him starting chucking for 37 mins I can bet you he'll at least produce 17 PPG.

truthrising wrote:

Rapsalot wrote:Wow DD must be out of $$$ from paying the other NBA player to LET him Average almost 18 & 5 there are more than 15 other teams who SG do not produce at these rates. With him sucking so much I would say he must be blackmailing them so we should D League him ASAP

Well maybe it's becase no other team hands an avg player 37mins on a silver platter, seriously anyone can score 17 PPG if given 37 mins. Seriously bring any chucker on the raps and have have him starting chucking for 37 mins I can bet you he'll at least produce 17 PPG.

Jason Collins disagrees.

Indeed wrote:

JustaKnickFan wrote:DD's rebounding seems very overrated. The more I watch Raptors game, the more I realize that the only rebounds DD grabs are the defensive rebounds where 3 Raptors are around it and maybe only 1 player from the other team.

That is basically how rebounding works. I think other than Lowry, our wings/guards rebounding are average.

Not necessarily, guys like Landry get some pretty nice offensive boards, and will occasionally get a defensive rebound in traffic, and even Calderon will sometimes get a long rebound, while DD only seems interested in getting the rebounds where there isn't much competition for. I rarely see him box out, too.

ROBBS wrote:

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year and can be a solid guard, but I think he can be apart of the core, but not the guy, just a complementary player. We need a franchise player.

Still not a reliable shooter, defender, attacker, or ball handler... As our starting SG who plays huge minutes, he's hurt us in a lot of games. If he continues to be treated like a main guy, we're in trouble for years to come.

Well said, he is given 37 min which means he is a main guy. What gets me angry about this team is guys like Demar are treated like they have done things in this league like Lebron or Kobe so no matter how bad they play or hurting the team he will still get his minutes and that is why we will be in trouble.

I like demar but I don't see him playing up to his contract unless he works soo hard this summer that he miraculously develops above average handles. He has a mid range game, average post up game, and he's a below average defender.

He was able to draw fouls last season but for some reason that has gone away. Could attribute that to lack of respect from refs I guess.

Recently, he's been playing very passively as well. Could attribute that to defenders paying more attention to him I guess.

Basically, demar needs to adjust. Everyone has figured him out. His success in this league will depend on his ability to continue to improve and adjust

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Watch, now DD is going to go off in tomorrows game and everyone will start to change their minds about him once again. In all honesty, he is a very flawed player who is 23 years young. In for him to become something important to not only this team but the league, he's going to have to attend some kind of Point Guard camp and learn from a Defensive specialist.

Teach him how to be a play maker, increase his dribbling ability, teach him how to move with and without the ball.

Defensively teach him how to properly guard the opposition. Force them to a side in order to stop himself from second guessing where the ball handler is going to go.

I think those are the things he really is lacking... Ball handling, play making ability and defensive know how

lol. The thread title implies he can't be separated from the core.

I just want a solid draft pick for him.

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

hkr wrote:

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

tmac101 wrote:

hkr wrote:Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

What I mean is that whatever improvements Demar made hasn't made him a better player at all. In terms of production he hasn't improved as a player except he's taking more shots. He's not scoring more efficiently, he's not grabbing more rebounds, he's not making better passes, and although this is more arguable, he's not defending better either.

I've written this before but that's because all his improvements have been in taking the worst type of shot in basketball, long midrange jumpers. This perpetuation with taking more shots in the midrange made him less valuable as a player.

Have I read this thread before?




Or three times?

LOL. It's "a part", not "apart". I agree though that he can't be a part of the core if we are ever to make the playoffs. He's one of the worst players in the league. Go to Wages of Wins and do a search for Demar Derozan if you don't believe me.