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OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:46 pm
by J-Roc
Made me laugh...
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--ru ... 16242.htmlLevien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:49 pm
by ATLTimekeeper
I want Woj to run a team.
Hollinger thought Ed Davis was going to be a bust, too. I think he'll make more good moves than bad, though, as he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's blinded by pride.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:20 pm
by TwentyOne920
On the one hand, Hollinger made the Spurs give up Scola. OTOH he correctly predicted that they would ring whilst Dallas had 67 wins.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:27 pm
by Fairview4Life
Scola forced the Spurs to trade him because they didn't have the money to bring him over. Yes, Butler sucked, but the Scola deal was more complicated than just the Spurs trying to save themselves from Hollinger's terrible deal (a 2-3 million dollar/year for 3 years deal for a 21 year old big man...hardly insane).
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:42 pm
by TwentyOne920
Fairview4Life wrote:Scola forced the Spurs to trade him because they didn't have the money to bring him over. Yes, Butler sucked, but the Scola deal was more complicated than just the Spurs trying to save themselves from Hollinger's terrible deal (a 2-3 million dollar/year for 3 years deal for a 21 year old big man...hardly insane).
And Holt isn't the richest owner in the league.
That said the deal actually worked out well for SA, even though it meant starting Bonner as their 4 for quite a while.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:52 pm
by brownbobcat
Decision to trade Gay is because of money, Hollinger's got nothing to do with it. You could say he influenced the package of players received, but we'll never really know what else was on the table.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:55 pm
by J-Roc
On a related note, I always shake my head when Woj finds a way to turn a story into a LeBron story.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:00 pm
by KingstonRaptors
We traded a player with one of the highest PERs on our team (18.1 at Davis). I think Hollinger had a small bit to do with it.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:07 pm
by Darkseid
Shats fired.
Hollinger confirmed just trying for higher pers.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:10 pm
by STA 13
J-Roc wrote:Made me laugh...
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--ru ... 16242.htmlLevien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.
Right, because no other GMs have ever made mistakes.
The Butler signing (3 years $7M) was bad I guess, but so immaterial that it makes me think that Woj is going out of his way to bash Hollinger
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:19 pm
by Anatomize
Woj is just angry he's working for a reeling search engine company.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:25 pm
by OhMyBosh
Anatomize wrote:Woj is just angry he's working for a reeling search engine company.
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You think this reeling search engine company doesn't pay well? Oh do I have news for you.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:26 pm
by carlosey
Hollinger isnt making friends inside or outside that org it seems.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:43 pm
by wfnshow316
Well, Hollinger's fingers seem to be all over this trade as, for the life of me, I can't see any logic in Memphis wanting what they received other than some misguided use of PER. Ed Davis PER is as good as it is because of the team he was on; no post presence, no big rebounder, - in Memphis he will be playing with Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol and competing for minutes with Arthur - in other words he is completely redundant (unless the Grizz move Randolph (and then they would suck worse than the Raps). Tayshaun Prince is owed 17 million dollars - has been declining for two years - why him and not Jose (if you are just shedding salary) - Jose's PER not good enough?? - Doesn't make any sense on Memphis's part
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:43 pm
by Yuri Vaultin
If memory serves, Hollinger's draft rater was very high on Daye.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:03 pm
by brownbobcat
wfnshow316 wrote:Well, Hollinger's fingers seem to be all over this trade as, for the life of me, I can't see any logic in Memphis wanting what they received other than some misguided use of PER. Ed Davis PER is as good as it is because of the team he was on; no post presence, no big rebounder, - in Memphis he will be playing with Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol and competing for minutes with Arthur - in other words he is completely redundant (unless the Grizz move Randolph (and then they would suck worse than the Raps). Tayshaun Prince is owed 17 million dollars - has been declining for two years - why him and not Jose (if you are just shedding salary) - Jose's PER not good enough?? - Doesn't make any sense on Memphis's part
It IS about shedding salary, they need Prince to replace Gay. Davis is a decent backup for now and maybe more once ZBo starts to age. They probably would've preferred a nice wing prospect for Gay, but I doubt anybody was offering that.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:15 pm
by brownbobcat
Yuri Vaultin wrote:If memory serves, Hollinger's draft rater was very high on Daye.
In case anybody's wondering, DeMar was ranked #54.
Top 12 rated collegians for 2009
Player School Draft Rater
1. Ty Lawson North Carolina 16.34
2. Blake Griffin Oklahoma 16.21
3. Tyreke Evans Memphis 15.02
4. Austin Daye Gonzaga 14.24
5. Stephen Curry Davidson 14.18
6. Nick Calathes Florida 13.66
7. DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh 13.56
8. Danny Green North Carolina 13.28
9. Jonny Flynn Syracuse 12.99
10. James Harden Arizona State 12.97
11. Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut 12.90
12. Earl Clark Louisville 12.88
13. Jrue Holiday UCLA 12.73
14. Jeff Teague Wake Forest 12.50
15. Gerald Henderson Duke 12.17
16. Paul Delaney UAB 11.85
17. Aaron Jackson Duquesne 11.83
18. Darren Collison UCLA 11.80
19. Terrence Williams Louisville 11.80
20. Leo Lyons Missouri 11.53
21. Eric Maynor VCU 11.35
22. John Bryant Santa Clara 11.30
23. DeMarre Carroll Missouri 11.18
24. Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina 11.11
25. Wayne Ellington North Carolina 11.04
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:21 pm
by UrbanLegend
Anatomize wrote:Woj is just angry he's working for a reeling search engine company.
I dunno man, I think that'd be a fun job. Writing articles purely based on what you think should happen... and have fans rip you to shreds if you don't say anything that is remotely favorable of that said team.
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:30 pm
by ballercb4
Anatomize wrote:Woj is just angry he's working for a reeling search engine company.
lol Yahoo is 2nd largest search engine...who's stock just went up more then expected and is stealing google's employees...to work for those 2 companies is a dream think of the perks...
Re: OT: Woj Takes Shot at Hollinger
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:31 pm
by arbsn
ATLTimekeeper wrote:I want Woj to run a team.
Hollinger thought Ed Davis was going to be a bust, too. I think he'll make more good moves than bad, though, as he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's blinded by pride.
Woj does not know nor care for 'skill' or 'metrics' or 'winning'
He is, however, the all-knowing, all-powerful NBA transactions guru who is never wrong about transactions.