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Phoenix receives the worse of Toronto or Sacramento's 2014 2nd.
The Toronto pick is protected 30-36.
If a pick is not conveyed, Phoenix doesn't get a pick, instead, can only swap 2nds with the Raptors in 2015 (ie. if Raptors have 38th pick and Suns, 48th, they would switch).

It seems to me then, that if both Raps and Kings pick 30-36 in 2014, Suns don't get the pick (since the pick has to be the worse of the two and Toronto's is protected 30-36, since the Kings pick would be worse in this scenario, no pick would be conveyed).

If both Raptors or Kings pick 37-60, Suns will receive the worse of those.

If Raptors pick 37-60 and Kings pick 30-36, Suns will receive the Toronto pick.

Clear as mud?

“@WolstatSun: Basically, if the Raptors stink next year and pick 30-36 (meaning one of six worst records in league) they'll be keeping both 2nds”

“@WolstatSun: If Kings stink, which whole world expects, but Raptors actually are decent, which is quite possible, will be the Raptor 2nd heading to Suns”

Dr Positivity wrote:For the people saying 2nds are useless, let's just say there's a reason the smart teams like Hou and Okc stock up on them while the tard teams like Was, Sac, Isiah era Knicks, us, are the Kings of giving them away. Throwing in 2nds is the smoking gun of a bad team

I would never trade a draft pick for a plug like Telfair! I would always take the chance with the draft choice.

9th or die trying folks!

Landomar wrote:
It's the principle of the thing. Second round picks are minor assets, but they are assets. It is helpful to have them around for trade purposes, or for filling out the roster with cheap third string depth that has potential. If you do a good job, it's also possible to occassionally find a diamond in the rough, like a Paul Millsap or Chandler Parsons. Just because a future second rounder has relatively low value doesn't mean that you should just toss it away for marginal talent.

Here's are the main problems with giving up anything to add Telfair:

- He's something like the 60th best PG in the NBA. He's a capable backup if you don't have anyone else, but we already have Lowry and Lucas, and aren't desperate for a "proven" backup. It would be fine to bring in the equivalent of Ben Uzoh or whoever. If we take a chance on someone like this, we could even stumble into the next Jamario Moon or Alan Anderson type, which has value. A random guy would also do just fine as insurance against injuries for the rest of this season.

- Telfair is a free agent at the end of the season, so we're only adding him as injury insurance for the next 27 games, in a season where we aren't making the playoffs and are basically gunning for 9th. Even if we somehow do make a miracle run to the 8th seed, I highly doubt that Telfair is going to be an important part of the story.

truthrising wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft
Heck i'd rather take the %10 chance, once again BC has messed up..sigh

KrazyP wrote:

truthrising wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft
Heck i'd rather take the %10 chance, once again BC has messed up..sigh

10% is being way to generous.......i.e. landing a guy like Steve Novak is nothing to right home about.....especially when you consider guys like that often jump from team to team for years before finding a niche. The 2nd pick used to draft such a player has little value unless that player (a) stays with that team and brings long term value > then a roleplayer you can pick up in free agency any year or (b) brings back something of significance in a trade. If you get niether (a) or (b), then the pick is more or less worthless.

Also factor in that the pick has 30-36 protection on it and the odds drop even further.

The people whining about this will whine about everything...good or bad.