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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#61 » by dagger » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:59 am

22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't sit on them, you don't hate on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support them.

Haven't you heard players rave about how the home court support matters, how you want to scare the visitors shiatless? Well, how scared is the visiting team when your loudest boos are for your own guy.

As someone said earlier today, a lot of fans WANT Bargnani to fail so they can boo him like some prophesy they need fulfilled. That's the difference between Toronto and a real sports town. The team has won six of the past seven, has a pretty good chance to win the next three, and the fans won't get behind their players.

But you keep moaning about all the years of losing despite the fact the team is turning things around and yet many of you want to fight yesterday's battle.

The Raptors need you to fight today's battle. There is at least a hail Mary's chance of making the playoffs, like the late rush of 2002-03, and many of you would rather engage in team-destructive behaviour.

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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#62 » by JPHolling » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:00 am

I honestly think he'd fit nicely in the starting line up. alot of pressure would be off him with rudy gay.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#63 » by carlosey » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:00 am

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DreamTeam09 wrote:This team will be much better with bargs leading the way off the bench and not AA or JL... The bench has frequently lost us the lead since the arrival of Rudy Gay and bargnani is not the cause of that. Give him some touches...


Exactly. People just want to pick on Bargnani with the booing like this is some elementary schooyard but if we get this guy involved and give him the shots that lucas and AA take then were going to be able to at least maintain a lead. I mean Casey right now has the guy completely uninvolved while he watches the lead slip away with lucas and anderson shooting the night away.


And what message does it send to everyone else on the team? Don't hustle, don't work, but you'll get shot attempts if you're Andrea Bargnani.

**** that, he has to earn his shots


I just dont see how giving the shots to anderson and lucas puts us in a better situation. The leads we have are slipping away when those two go in chuck mode. Bargnani reacts differently and he gets his confidence from his offense. Right now were seeing a player that is being ignored offensively entirely while lucas and anderson take the most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) shots ever.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#64 » by whysoserious » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:02 am

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22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support tyhem.


Not saying booing or not booing is right but you **** on the fans and tell them to support the team, and those guys would just respond with the player should do the same while on the court too.

That to me is the severe divide that has fans **** on him now. Production aside, it's his effort that just has gotten to the point fans simply can't accept him on the court anymore.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#65 » by Raps Militia » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:02 am

Today they never passed the ball. Anderson isn't a team player.
With these "fans" I see him play much better in the road games.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#66 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:03 am

I'm not sure it's an effort thing with Andrea, as much as it is his confidence being wrecked at the moment. Dude seems pretty down, and I'm sure the boos aren't helping.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#67 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:04 am

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22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support tyhem.


I'm sorry, am I being paid 10 million dollars a year? Think about it, 10 million dollars. He could retire tomorrow, at the age of 27 and never have to worry about anything ever again.

Effort is mandatory.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#68 » by 5DOM » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:05 am

Now that there's nothing we can do with him until the offseason, I see no point in booing him. Management already knows that the city wants him out, and Caliper said the player's oblivious to these things. Nothing we can achieve here.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#69 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:07 am

whysoserious wrote:Bargnani - 13 minutes, 0-2, 0 points, 0 boards and a -2 for tonight.

Val, only 8 more minutes but grabs 10 boards and blocks 2 shots.

No plays for either player are run. At least Val does other things out there that suggest he should get plays run for him. Just simply having offensive skillset doesn't earn you plays.


Again, why do you compare him with Jonas? And should Jonas be scoring 20 points every where on the court? The problem is, people are using a wrong measurement on him. Should we see Fields scoring 20 points a game, while Gay should be guarding Melo? They have different roles and assignments, which is the coaches to determine. And Casey did bench Bargnani when he was not playing good defense in the previous game.
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Post#70 » by Raps Maniac » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:08 am

Duffman100 wrote:I think people are also forgetting that he makes 10 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!


You make 18k a year. If people started booing you at work, how would that effect your performance? :lol:
If the shareholders of a company started booing one of their key employees, how would that effect the company?
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#71 » by whysoserious » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:08 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'm not sure it's an effort thing with Andrea, as much as it is his confidence being wrecked at the moment. Dude seems pretty down, and I'm sure the boos aren't helping.


I'm sure his confidence is down at an all-time low. But effort has always been a question mark with him throughout his career. When he's struggling it always stands out. He's no longer a starter, he's being relied on as a spark plug even if plays aren't run for him, his lack off effort will stand out more and more.

Fans have simply had enough. There are also outside factors. BC and this organization pushed him as a star, even when he was struggling early in the year, Casey was playing him like a star and talking about him like he's the man. Then he gets hurt, loses his starting spot, BC starts talking up trade for him,talks about how he'd welcome a change of scenery, the media has been turning on him almost a year, Bobcat has been ripping him for months on PTS. All these things are coming together and culminating.

There's only one person that can change that and it's Bargnani.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#72 » by MikeM » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

I don't get how he is our #1 option for like 3 seasons and isn't THAT bad at shouldering the offensive load.

And now he can't even get looks in front of Anderson and Lucas? We should be winning these games by a far greater margin. Bargnani should be killing these 2nd units and he can't even touch the ball.

This, after Casey's whole "hell or high water" spiel.

I just don't get it. He is DEFINITELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY, a better offensive option for us then whatever trash we are throwing out on the 2nd unit right now.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#73 » by 3thomas » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

Only an idiot would not see this coming, BC should have traded him at the deadline for anything equal to or less in salary (assuming he got that). What I do not understand is what the **** is he expecting to get for him! His time is up in this town, what ever his value is, that was the time to move on for him and us.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#74 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

Raps Maniac wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:I think people are also forgetting that he makes 10 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!


You make 18k a year. If people started booing you at work, how would that effect your performance? :lol:
If the shareholders of a company started booing one of their key employees, how would that effect the company?


If I'm making 18K a year and getting booed, I'd find another job.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#75 » by whysoserious » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

Indeed wrote:
whysoserious wrote:Bargnani - 13 minutes, 0-2, 0 points, 0 boards and a -2 for tonight.

Val, only 8 more minutes but grabs 10 boards and blocks 2 shots.

No plays for either player are run. At least Val does other things out there that suggest he should get plays run for him. Just simply having offensive skillset doesn't earn you plays.


Again, why do you compare him with Jonas? And should Jonas be scoring 20 points every where on the court? The problem is, people are using a wrong measurement on him. Should we see Fields scoring 20 points a game, while Gay should be guarding Melo? They have different roles and assignments, which is the coaches to determine. And Casey did bench Bargnani when he was not playing good defense in the previous game.



I thought you said he was playing such great defense, top 5 man defender, last game.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#76 » by TheRaptor! » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

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Haven't you heard players rave about how the home court support matters, how you want to scare the visitors shiatless? Well, how scared is the visiting team when your loudest boos are for your own guy.

As someone said earlier today, a lot of fans WANT Bargnani to fail so they can boo him like some prophesy they need fulfilled. That's the difference between Toronto and a real sports town. The team has won six of the past seven, has a pretty good chance to win the next three, and the fans won't get behind their players.

But you keep moaning about all the years of losing despite the fact the team is turning things around and yet many of you want to fight yesterday's battle.

The Raptors need you to fight today's battle. There is at least a hail Mary's chance of making the playoffs, like the late rush of 2002-03, and many of you would rather engage in team-destructive behaviour.

That's why this is a city of losers. Mike Murphy says, "Hello losers!"


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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#77 » by bonjovi0308 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:09 am

didn't watch the games, but I don't get it -

Bargs was supposed to be the 6th man (when Amir is starting), to come off the bench and to provide that scoring spark off the bench, whether it helps the team or to boost up his trade value, rite?

But playing him at the 2nd unit with the likes of AA and JL3..how does he have enough touch to heat up? Same as Ross, how can you expect someone (especially for a scorer) to make an impact if he only has few minutes to play and less than say 5 attempts per game?

Not saying Bargs is free from any liability, but I would be frustrated as hell too if I were Bargs and it is saying something when he has the least field goals attempts on the team
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#78 » by Raps Maniac » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:10 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Raps Maniac wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:I think people are also forgetting that he makes 10 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!


You make 18k a year. If people started booing you at work, how would that effect your performance? :lol:
If the shareholders of a company started booing one of their key employees, how would that effect the company?


If I'm making 18K a year and getting booed, I'd find another job.


I'm sure he would like that too... but oh wait... he's under contract.
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Post#79 » by 5DOM » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:11 am

Duffman100 wrote:I'm sorry, am I being paid 10 million dollars a year? Think about it, 10 million dollars. He could retire tomorrow, at the age of 27 and never have to worry about anything ever again.

Effort is mandatory.


Effort would be nice of course, but how much a person makes is irrelevant. He's getting paid because he earned his contract by fooling Colangelo.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#80 » by DHK » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:11 am

dagger wrote:
22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't sit on them, you don't hate on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support them.

Haven't you heard players rave about how the home court support matters, how you want to scare the visitors shiatless? Well, how scared is the visiting team when your loudest boos are for your own guy.

As someone said earlier today, a lot of fans WANT Bargnani to fail so they can boo him like some prophesy they need fulfilled. That's the difference between Toronto and a real sports town. The team has won six of the past seven, has a pretty good chance to win the next three, and the fans won't get behind their players.

But you keep moaning about all the years of losing despite the fact the team is turning things around and yet many of you want to fight yesterday's battle.

The Raptors need you to fight today's battle. There is at least a hail Mary's chance of making the playoffs, like the late rush of 2002-03, and many of you would rather engage in team-destructive behaviour.

That's why this is a city of losers. Mike Murphy says, "Hello losers!"

Well said Dagger, well said.
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