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Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:47 pm
by Undefeated
A "specialist" shooter that can't shoot... Yikes
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:07 pm
by BryceMaxJames
MagnusPinus wrote:BryceMaxJames wrote:so the sports analyst is wrong, and u get it? Okay buddy.....
He is what he is, how much longer are we to wait for him to turn into the player BC wanted him to be? Its been 7 years and he still doesn't have a clue. If this were your job and you couldn't grasp the task or duties correctly do you think they would keep your around?
The sports analyst more than often are superficial and talk without watching all the games.. especially the games of a terrible Toronto Raptors team like we were these years.. I saw basically all the games Bargnani played these years, as many Toronto Raptors fans.. we can be more competent than those guys regarding the Toronto Raptors.
It's too easy to say now he is just a shooter, he is very bad.. and all.. Bargnani is not just a shooter.. at his best he was playing a very complete game offensively, being a nightmare for the defense.. And I say it again.. he was playing in a terrible terrible team.. now u can see Bargnani now and say he is useless he can only take some shots.. cos now, he does not even care and he just jogs on the floor.. but how the hell ppl can say bargnani has always been like now..
I was gonna give u a good rebuttal but then seen where your location is from (Italy). So I'll just say enjoy the rest of the season.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:20 pm
by Haisan
Take a look at AB's numbers -- he's been declining for five years now.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nan01.htmlTS% down. eFG% down. 3pt% down. Rebounding rate down. The only thing that has improved over the past five yeas has been AB's ability to draw fouls, and even that has plummeted this year.
When he tries, he can be a very good one-on-one defender, but as soon as the other team starts moving the ball around he's totally useless. Unless the ball is right in front of him, he has no idea what to do. Blah.
Aldridge was exactly right. And the sooner we get a GM in who has a clue, the better off we'll all be.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:25 pm
by MagnusPinus
well.. so u really think Nba analyst are reliable and competent.. maybe is just that they are adapting to the audience, that in general is pretty ignorant regarding the game.. But they are always oversimplifying things, and more than often talking without being completely informed
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:30 pm
by whysoserious
MagnusPinus wrote:well.. so u really think Nba analyst are reliable and competent.. maybe is just that they are adapting to the audience, that in general is pretty ignorant regarding the game.. But they are always oversimplifying things, and more than often talking without being completely informed
You're right, Bargs game is just so complicated, he does so much that no one can really see. Just put him on another team and watch he'll just absolutely go beast even though we have no evidence that that would ever happen.
As Tacoma pointed out, this guy is simply a hot and cold player. The reason he's like that is due to his own mental makeup and he doesn't put in the effort every game. No one here would deny this guy has the skills and tools to be a top player. The fact is though, he is unable to put it together. You may have a point of putting him in a different situation if we had never given him the opportunity. But the fact is in 7 years, he's been given every opportunity, put in every role and been coddled enough here and he still hasn't put it together.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:32 pm
by KnickerBonkerz
Everyone keeps calling him a shooter, but I have yet to see him make shots with any consistency
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:32 pm
by raptorfan416
1 word : amnesty. end of thread.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:33 pm
by MagnusPinus
raptorfan416 wrote:1 word : amnesty. end of thread.
Yes please.. It would be amazing
So he can join wherever he wants and win an Nba title
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:35 pm
by MEDIC
Like I said before the fans need to put their big boy pants on, suck up their "feelings", shut the hell up.....stop booing & support this TEAM. What they are doing is rediculous & petty.
BC is in a situation right now where he needs to somehow flip this contract for something useful. It's going to take patience.
I would have never guessed that he could trade Calderon's contract for Rudy Gay.
We need to be patient & hope this thing figures itself out. It's an uncomfortable position for everyone. Not just the fans.
The fans are being selfish.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:37 pm
by whysoserious
MEDIC wrote:Like I said before the fans need to put their big boy pants on, suck up their "feelings", shut the hell up.....stop booing & support this TEAM. What they are doing is rediculous & petty.
BC is in a situation right now where he needs to somehow flip this contract for something useful. It's going to take patience.
I would have never guessed that he could trade Calderon's contract for Rudy Gay.
We need to be patient & hope this thing figures itself out. It's an uncomfortable position for everyone. Not just the fans.
The fans are being selfish.
Maybe someone can say the same to Bargs and suck it up and put his big boy pants on. Look, I'm not advocating booing our team but that's not what those fans were doing. They are targeting a player that is out there and looks like he doesn't care while the rest of the team is.
Booing him doesn't really do anything, that point is clear. Not booing him though is not doing anything for him either. He is what he is. The only person that has control to stop the booing is Bargs. Go hustle, the boos will stop, make some shots on top of that and the cheers will come as the rest of the team is receiving from the fans.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:42 pm
by ItsDanger
Big guys need someone to give them the ball. When Bargs plays with chuckers, good luck getting any shots.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:44 pm
by KrazyP
Haisan wrote:Take a look at AB's numbers -- he's been declining for five years now.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nan01.htmlTS% down. eFG% down. 3pt% down. Rebounding rate down. The only thing that has improved over the past five yeas has been AB's ability to draw fouls, and even that has plummeted this year.
When he tries, he can be a very good one-on-one defender, but as soon as the other team starts moving the ball around he's totally useless. Unless the ball is right in front of him, he has no idea what to do. Blah.
Aldridge was exactly right. And the sooner we get a GM in who has a clue, the better off we'll all be.
People who cant take stats in context shouldnt read them at all.
TS%, eFG%, etc are highly dependant on role, coaching, teammates, system, playcalls, etc. This is why players who move from one team to another can often have their efficiency stats change. The fact that Bargnani % went down is more of a reflection of the team trying to force him into a #1 option role overtime rather than him becoming a worse player. Look at Gays numbers, his % have also come down to miserably low levels. Does that mean he suddenly sucks?
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:46 pm
by Haisan
ItsDanger wrote:Big guys need someone to give them the ball. When Bargs plays with chuckers, good luck getting any shots.
Here's a thought -- how about Bargnani concentrate on defense for a while? Or rebounds? How about some screens? Is that too much to ask? Or does he need to have one of the team's worst DRats to operate?
Bargnani has never had a year when his DRat was lower than his ORat, but last year at least it got close. This year the difference is miserable again.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:52 pm
by Haisan
KrazyP wrote:People who cant take stats in context shouldnt read them at all.
Right back at you.
What context says Bargnani should rebound even less than he was before? Or be one of the team's worst defenders? Gay is now rebounding, assisting and not turning the ball over better than he ever has, so apparently changing teams did not kill all his numbers.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:53 pm
by Kreamy
I think the Celtics could entertain something along those lines of Bargnani for Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass in the off-season. They'll definitely be looking to make some moves.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:56 pm
by sanity
Like it or not the booing and criticisms of him will only get worse if his play doesn't pick up, not just by the fans, but even other media networks from other teams are getting on his case. If an amnesty isn't the solution (imho should be used on Kleiza), we've little choice but to trade for a quarter on the dollar for him. You can't keep a player around in spite of all the drama accumulating and expect things to somehow pan out. It never works out that way
Just look at what happened with McCabe. It was far worse than the treatment Andrea has been getting during games
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:57 pm
by Mr.Raptorsingh
Kreamy wrote:I think the Celtics could entertain something along those lines of Bargnani for Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass in the off-season. They'll definitely be looking to make some moves.
Doubt it.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:08 pm
by StopitLeo
Specialist usually means you are good at one thing. Despite the mythology, Andrea isn't that good of a shooter.
He needs to be moved come hell or high water this offseason.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:22 pm
by Neutral 123
Kreamy wrote:I think the Celtics could entertain something along those lines of Bargnani for Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass in the off-season. They'll definitely be looking to make some moves.
SMH you are dreaming if you think the Raps will get that much for Barfs.
Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:26 pm
by Haisan
sanity wrote:If an amnesty isn't the solution (imho should be used on Kleiza),
Now that there's a chance Kleiza could retire this summer, we could amnesty Bargnani get be rid of two albatrosses at once. Such a dream.