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All the below info is care of the diligent Rapsobsessed7:

2013/2014 Toronto Raptors Salary Cap
Rudy Gay

$17,888,932

Andrea Bargnani

$10,750,000

DeMar Derozan

$9,500,000

Landry Fields

$6,250,000

Amir Johnson

$6,500,000

Kyle Lowry

$6,210,000

Linas Kleiza

$4,600,000

Jonas Val

$3,526,440

Aaron Gray

$2,690,875

Terrence Ross

$2,678,640

John Lucas III

$1,567,500 (Team Option)

Quincy Acy

$788,872

= 72,951,259

Owed Draft Picks

2013 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Toronto's own 2013 1st round pick to Oklahoma City via Houston (Top-3 Protected and 15-30 Protected in the 2013 Draft, top-2 protected and 15-30 protected in 2014, top-2 protected and 15-30 protected in 2015, top-1 Protected and 15-30 protected in 2016, top-1 protected and 15-30 Protected in 2017 and unprotected in the 2018 Draft. [Houston-Toronto, 7/11/2012 and then Houston-Oklahoma City, 10/27/2012]

2013 second round draft pick to Memphis
Toronto's own 2013 2nd round pick to Memphis. [Detroit-Memphis-Toronto, 1/30/2012]

2014 second round draft pick to Phoenix
The least favorable of Toronto's own 2014 2nd round pick (Top-36 Protected) and Sacramento's 2014 2nd round pick (provided Sacramento's pick is #31-#55) to Phoenix. If Both picks do not fall outside of their protection, then Toronto's obligation to Phoenix is extinguished. [Phoenix-Toronto, 2/21/2013]

2016 second round draft pick to Memphis
Toronto's own 2016 2nd round pick to Memphis. [Memphis - Toronto, 7/9/2009]

Other stuff:

http://www.shamsports.com/
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Trade away!

Let me get the ball rolling..

How about Rudy Gay for Charlie V and Stuckey? I think it benefits both teams.

pbj wrote:Let me get the ball rolling..

How about Rudy Gay for Charlie V and Stuckey + top 5 pick.? I think it benefits both teams.

Fixed.
Because without Gay on this team, Lowry probably wants out and we'd be on our way towards a top-5 choice.

I'm actually pretty happy with this team.

I'd love to see a "sell high" on Lowry around the deadline.

Lowry for a young PG and 1st rounder. Someone will do that at the deadline for sure. It'll be protected though

Edit: I'm thinking CJ Mcollum

Raptors In - Anthony Bennett + Tristan Thompson + Rodney Stuckey + Charlie V
Raptors Out - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan + Amir Johnson

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Charlie V + Rodney Stuckey + Greg Monroe

Cleveland In - Greg Monroe + Amir Johnson
Cleveland Out - Anthony Bennett + Tristan Thompson

Raps Out - Kyle Lowry
Raps In - CJ McCollum + Allen Crabbe

Raps

McCollum
Ross -
Bennett
Thompson
JV

Unload lowry for a mid first round pick to a playoff contender. He has an expiring contract so it shouldn't be that hard to trade him. Teams like memphis, golden state and washington could use him as a short term upgrade coming off the bench.

Trade Rudy Gay, acy to indiana for Danny Granger and Ian Mahinmi. The pacers need scoring and Gay will give them just that. They just recently added Scola so they might be willing to let Mahinmi go. Granger's contract expires after this season (14 million) and Mahinmi's contract is not too extreme (4 mil/year, 12 in total).

Trade Amir Johnson to a contender for a late first rounder, this man deserves to compete on a winning team, he will hustle and provide a lot of energy. IMO he is just not good enough to be a starting 4 on a winning team even though he is still just 26.

I would keep DeRozan. First of all, the raptors can easily lose 60 games with him as the starting shooting guard. Second, he just turned 24 so there is still time for him to improve. Third, he is a perfect complementary player to Wiggins because he is a true SG, he doesn't need to dominate the ball to score, and he is a good slasher and rim penetrator. Wiggins seems to be a mini Lebron, in that he is already an adequate passer, ball handler, scorer and shooter. The two of them will instantly become the most atheletic wing duo...That is if we do get Wiggins

I still think a deal for Tristan Thompson or Greg Monroe is the best bet after a couple of months into the season.

IF either Detroit or Cleveland suck after a few months, I think they'd be desperate enough to retain a proper starting SF to pair with their groups. Both of those teams are desperate to make the playoffs... Detroit invested a lot in their core, if it doesn't work, they'll probably want to improve their weaknesses. Same goes for the Cavs... Irving wants to make the playoffs at minimum... they need to appease his desire... Gilbert has said that he's done with the lottery... there could be some interesting scenario's come mid-season. The Raps will be players if we prove to not be a good team. In Masai-ah I trust.

sweetcity wrote:Raptors In - Anthony Bennett + Tristan Thompson + Rodney Stuckey + Charlie V
Raptors Out - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan + Amir Johnson

Detroit In - Rudy Gay + DeMar DeRozan
Detroit Out - Charlie V + Rodney Stuckey + Greg Monroe

Cleveland In - Greg Monroe + Amir Johnson
Cleveland Out - Anthony Bennett + Tristan Thompson

Raps Out - Kyle Lowry
Raps In - CJ McCollum + Allen Crabbe

Raps

McCollum
Ross -
Bennett
Thompson
JV

I really doubt cleveland does that trade

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Monroe + garbage for Rudy Gay just seems like the deal that makes the most sense right now...it just seems so obvious for both sides imo.

Do you guys think there's a higher chance of the Cavaliers being a more a realistic trade partner or Detroit based on our fits/needs? It almost seems like Toronto and Cleveland are perfect trade partners.

Throwback24 wrote:Do you guys think there's a higher chance of the Cavaliers being a more a realistic trade partner or Detroit based on our fits/needs? It almost seems like Toronto and Cleveland are perfect trade partners.

I think Cleveland is more likely. The question is, what are they willing to give up? Thompson? Unlikely Bennett, as he just went #1.

Detroit has enough minutes for Monroe, Drummond, and Smith in their frontcourt. Why trade Monroe? Especially for Rudy?

-Ice

Trying to think of trade possibilities for us to land Horford (who I think would be amazing next to Val) but don't see anything the Hawks might want

Ice102 wrote:

Throwback24 wrote:Do you guys think there's a higher chance of the Cavaliers being a more a realistic trade partner or Detroit based on our fits/needs? It almost seems like Toronto and Cleveland are perfect trade partners.

I think Cleveland is more likely. The question is, what are they willing to give up? Thompson? Unlikely Bennett, as he just went #1.

Detroit has enough minutes for Monroe, Drummond, and Smith in their frontcourt. Why trade Monroe? Especially for Rudy?

-Ice

There's a lot of people doubting that Smith can play SF properly.. I've heard it from ATL fans too.

pbj wrote:

Ice102 wrote:

Throwback24 wrote:Do you guys think there's a higher chance of the Cavaliers being a more a realistic trade partner or Detroit based on our fits/needs? It almost seems like Toronto and Cleveland are perfect trade partners.

I think Cleveland is more likely. The question is, what are they willing to give up? Thompson? Unlikely Bennett, as he just went #1.

Detroit has enough minutes for Monroe, Drummond, and Smith in their frontcourt. Why trade Monroe? Especially for Rudy?

-Ice

There's a lot of people doubting that Smith can play SF properly.. I've heard it from ATL fans too.

I'm one of them, to be honest. I don't think he can play the 3 for significant minutes. However, look at this rotation:

Drummond - 30 min at C
Monroe - 20 min at PF, 16 min at C
Smith - 8 min at SF, 24 min at PF

There's still garbage minutes to go energy bigs off the bench or for foul purposes.

Lots of minutes to go around. I think Detroit should use their expirings and trade them to Boston for Gerald Wallace.

But that's another story...

-Ice

Ice102 wrote:

pbj wrote:

Ice102 wrote:
I think Cleveland is more likely. The question is, what are they willing to give up? Thompson? Unlikely Bennett, as he just went #1.

Detroit has enough minutes for Monroe, Drummond, and Smith in their frontcourt. Why trade Monroe? Especially for Rudy?

-Ice

There's a lot of people doubting that Smith can play SF properly.. I've heard it from ATL fans too.

I'm one of them, to be honest. I don't think he can play the 3 for significant minutes. However, look at this rotation:

Drummond - 30 min at C
Monroe - 20 min at PF, 16 min at C
Smith - 8 min at SF, 24 min at PF

There's still garbage minutes to go energy bigs off the bench or for foul purposes.

Lots of minutes to go around. I think Detroit should use their expirings and trade them to Boston for Gerald Wallace.

But that's another story...

-Ice

It could work, especially considering Drummond isn't allowed on the court in the final quarter.

Ice here with another amazing trade idea:

Rudy Gay and NYK 2016 1st Round Pick to Cleveland
for
Thompson and Carrick Felix

Cleveland needs a starting caliber Small Forward. Let's face facts: Bennett is going to be better suited at the 4 as opposed to the 3. They added Earl Clark for at least the next two years. They are ready to contend, to keep Irving happy. Here would be their new depth chart:

Bynum/Varejao/Zeller
Bennett/Clark
Gay/Gee
Waiters/Miles
Irving/Jack

That's a top 5 team in the East if Bynum can stay healthy. Good depth, fairly young, some leadership in there, some vets, a solid sixth man in Jack.

-Ice

^ I don't think that offer works cap wise.

Fields + Acy + Knicks 2016 for Jason Thompson + Travis Outlaw?

Fields for Zaza?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n7ncrcg

TOR OUT: Gay, Lowry
TOR IN: Butler, Ridnour, Ilyasova, Antetokounmpo

MIL OUT: Butler, Ridnour, Ilyasova, Antetokounmpo
MIL IN: Gay, Lowry

Why for Toronto?

We go full tank mode and dump Gay and Lowry for two expirings and two young assets.

Why for Milwaukee?

They upgrade their starting 5 and maximize their chances of making the playoffs as a low seed. From all reports, their management are very concerned about staying competitive in order to drive ticket sales.

Thoughts?