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Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Lowry?
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:17 pm
by YogiStewart
Chicago's apparently taking Augustin. if the Bulls aren't planning on tanking, they really could have used an upgrade at the PG.
obviously, Augustin's different than Lowry. but does his release (versus releasing Daye) eliminate one potential trade target?
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:19 pm
by TheFreshPrince
It eliminates one trade target until Chicago realizes how bad Augustin is. The difference between Lowry and Augustin is night and day.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:21 pm
by joseph235
No, if the Chicago gm wants to trade for Lowry, DJ Augustin wont change things, he's **** terrible.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:22 pm
by carl_english
DJ is good if Bulls want to tank.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:22 pm
by J-Roc
TheFreshPrince wrote:It eliminates one trade target until Chicago realizes how bad Augustin is. The difference between Lowry and Augustin is night and day.
+1
LOL, I was eating my sandwich, formulating my response to Yogi, and then I read it exactly as I was thinking.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:23 pm
by DG88
The Bulls are cheap. Paying DJ pennies instead of Lowry 6.2 million makes sense. Plus they keep their assets. It does remove a potential trade partner, but more should become available as we get closer to Dec 15.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:24 pm
by MixxSRC
****...Bulls are cheap as ****
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:37 pm
by adambuddy
No lol it's a completely different market. Lowry is a serviceable PG who's probably best suited to be a 3rd guard. DJ Augustin is a borderline NBA guy who shouldn't be in a rotation. Augustin is emergency depth for a team who's really thin (and even then disappointing presumably) Lowry could actually help a team win games
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:38 pm
by Y0DA
I don't think any team picking up a last-stringer PG off waivers is going to think he's a solution instead of trading for a legit starter. If they truly need a legit starter, that is.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:39 pm
by spaceballer
The final trade deadline is Feb.20th. Some contender or playoff race team might suffer an injury before then and require a PG. You never know.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:39 pm
by Spacing
Not sure if this is correct so please correct me if I am wrong but:
1. We release DJ and pay his full $? Right?
2. If the Bulls sign him for $1.2M pro-rated are we on the hook only for the remainder?
3. Does DJ still count against our cap?
Thanks
-Spacing
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:40 pm
by BAMartian
You guys are making huge assumptions here. They haven't even signed DJ yet and as far as we know they either actually want him as a backup or they're using him (and this story) to get better value for Lowry. I highly doubt they consider DJ a viable substitute for KL
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:41 pm
by OhMyBosh
If DJ wasn't even good enough to play ahead of Julyan Stone, then he really isn't going to be an option for any other team in the NBA.
If the Bulls don't want to throw away the season, then they could still look at Lowry. It's also a bonus that he's an expiring contract.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:41 pm
by ATLTimekeeper
I pointed this out yesterday: Augustine's experience will be deemed attractive by decent teams. And in another thread today I was talking about how Chicago rarely trades and when they do it's usually to sell for futures. They weren't going to give up a first for Lowry, and that had nothing to do with us giving up on Augustine.
If you want to take a broader look at the Bulls' situation, they have no Rose for this year and a huge ? on his future. They also have Deng heading into UFA territory and Boozer seemingly in decline. They have a permanently sold out stadium and an owner who values $ over rings. For them to give up their first rounders this year for a rental is unlikely.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:43 pm
by rapaltima
I think Thibs never wanted Lowry anyway.
Lowry has a huge ego, hero-ball tendencies at the wrong moments (late game), doesn't always listen to the coach (ie. Last year with Casey for a majority of the season, and with the rockets) - all that doesn't fly with Thibs.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:44 pm
by Spacing
adambuddy wrote:No lol it's a completely different market. Lowry is a serviceable PG who's probably best suited to be a 3rd guard. DJ Augustin is a borderline NBA guy who shouldn't be in a rotation. Augustin is emergency depth for a team who's really thin (and even then disappointing presumably) Lowry could actually help a team win games
Bill and Jalen touched on the Lowry situation in the First Birdmester podcast I think Vol 2. They said something along the lines of Lowry can help a team get out of the tank (bad: since he's not good enough to be great but moreso mediocre (i.e. 9th place)) or be a solid back up PG for a contendor (good, but what would they give up for $6.2M when most of those similar $ guys are impacting the team already in a positive way).
The only situation I see is the Indiana situation and mainly because of Granger and his expiring although Indiana won't take on future salary to hamper their ability to sign Lance Stephenson. So they could go the route of Salmons+Hayes+Lowry for Granger. I assume they then have to cut players so it's a tough situation that will come down to the wire imo.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:44 pm
by dhackett1565
Spacing wrote:Not sure if this is correct so please correct me if I am wrong but:
1. We release DJ and pay his full $? Right?
2. If the Bulls sign him for $1.2M pro-rated are we on the hook only for the remainder?
3. Does DJ still count against our cap?
Thanks
-Spacing
1. Yes.
2. Nope. We are on the hook for almost all of it. Small set-off comes off the books (~100k if he signs for the 5-year minimum).
3. Yes, except for that ~100k.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:48 pm
by Spacing
dhackett1565 wrote:Spacing wrote:Not sure if this is correct so please correct me if I am wrong but:
1. We release DJ and pay his full $? Right?
2. If the Bulls sign him for $1.2M pro-rated are we on the hook only for the remainder?
3. Does DJ still count against our cap?
Thanks
-Spacing
1. Yes.
2. Nope. We are on the hook for almost all of it. Small set-off comes off the books (~100k if he signs for the 5-year minimum).
3. Yes, except for that ~100k.
Thanks!
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:51 pm
by TheDoctor
Considering Chicago is looking for a 4th/5th string PG (Rose/Hinrich/Mike James coming back from injury today/Teague?)... DJ will fit into that role.
If they actually want to improve, then they should deal for someone like Lowry.
Re: Did waiving Augustin make it more difficult to trade Low
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:00 pm
by Patman
TheFreshPrince wrote:It eliminates one trade target until Chicago realizes how bad Augustin is. The difference between Lowry and Augustin is night and day.
