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Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism

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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#201 » by Ku-Bar » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:18 am

C - Tyson Chandler (Free agent this year)
PF - JV
SF - James Johnson
SG - DeKobe
PG - Lowry

Leading the league in flagrant fouls, technical fouls, ejections, rebounds, blocks, and steals. Dwyane Casey as the coach. Okay fine, Ross still starts but you know what I mean.

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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#202 » by dballislife » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:31 am

jonas gotta a lot to work on this summer, mainly...get quicker, get stronger, shed body fat, and work on the passing, so we can use him on offense a lot more next year
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#203 » by Thespianoid » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:44 am

Priorities for JV going into the summer:

#1. Body/Physical. Slim down to 255, low bf%. Plyometrics/squats for mobility/explosiveness/foot speed. No more fiddling with foot strike patterns like last summer. (changed from natural heel/mid to forefoot)

#2. Jumpshot. Take it. Practice it. Develop that comfort level. Make it automatic from the elbows/top of key.

#3. (Longshot). Revert basketball approach to skill/quickness rather than brute force/seeking contact. If defender is shading middle, spin away baseline. Attack the outside foot when facing up. Take the jumper if given space on post touches.

JV as a physical, slow footed bully in the paint is not a good mold going forward. Need to nip that in the bud before it becomes permanent.
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Re: Re-vamp JV training program or call it quits? 

Post#204 » by cruwinas » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:06 am

Saciid11 wrote:
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Southward1 wrote:Ask him to lose weight
Make him work on his footwork and jumpshot
Embrace his offense


Last year he was really slow as well. If he didn't get any quicker last offseason, why expect that to change this year? He likely tried last year but the reality is that he is just very slow like a Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins type.


It took 7 years for some of delusional fans on this board to recognize that Bargnani was useless prospect who will never amount to anything other then bench player in this league... same thing is happening all over again, the fans would rather make excuses or blame the coach or players and now Masai is acting like BC by forcing Casey to play JV more. This franchise is being sabotaged by delusional fans and management who are intent on never putting quality team with quality players on the court... THis management is interested drafting hyped up known players, names we never heard and players 29 teams league have never heard of ...instead of just picking the player they know. Why make thing complicated ... With JV draft they could have traded down and drafted Brendon Knight or Kemba Walker or even Kawhi Leonard ..


Your ability to think is sabotaged by rare case of stupidity. Spending all summer in training camp with Casey should help (both)
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Foot speed is not gone improve... At 22 you should be at your peak of athleticism an then decline once you hit your 30's.


Since you spent all your life with butt glued to the chair we will take your words for granted.

dballislife wrote:jonas gotta a lot to work on this summer, mainly...get quicker, get stronger, shed body fat, and work on the passing, so we can use him on offense a lot more next year


JV should spend all his summer in shrink's chair, so he can be treated from the fear of the ball being in his vicinity. JV gets really surprised then somebody passes ball to him and he just freezes out. He tries to help himself by touching the ball after opponent free throw shot, but looks like this technique is not working.
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#205 » by chuckerz » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:27 am

Drinking lots of beer and DUIs will do that to you
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#206 » by mesomorph » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:37 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
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Y0DA wrote:Valanciunas could not get to his spots on defense when he was skinny. Now that he's NBA size, some people want to blame that as the reason he still does not get to his spots on defense. Strange.

All JV need to do is to lose ~ 10 pounds of fat and gain ~6 pounds of muscle. then he will be fast, strong, regain vertical etc.. His nba size does not count if this size consist of fat

Doesn't that speak negatively of him? Why is he carrying 10 extra pounds of fat, and lacking 6 pounds of muscle after 3 years in the league?

6 pounds of pure muscle is A LOT and you cant naturally grow that amount of muscles in short period of time. I think in one year it is possible to gain that much, but speaking about JV, he use a lot of calories during games and training, and he is not genetic freak like howard or bodybuilders, so it is much harder for him to gain that muscles. Fat help him to be stronger, because fat have that ability to increase strength, but with sacrifice of speed.
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#207 » by IMAN5 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:46 pm

watching how fast and athletic he once was makes me sad. It would be like if Utah took gobert and made him fat. That's what we did with val.
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#208 » by Indiana Jones » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:02 pm

IMAN5 wrote:watching how fast and athletic he once was makes me sad. It would be like if Utah took gobert and made him fat. That's what we did with val.


tired of this narrative. nobody did that to him. he did it to himself.

lose weight, get stronger and faster. those are simple and achievable objectives for a hard-working and motivated multi-millionaire.

more difficult, yet perhaps more crucial, he needs to learn how to actually play basketball. and that means there's more to the game than catching the ball in the post and taking three insane out of control dribbles and chucking up a prayer hook shot every time. he needs to forget about traditional positions and realize that passing, shooting and off-ball movement are just as important for a seven footer as for a point guard.

the days of slow lumbering big men who can't pass or shoot are loooooooooooong gone. evolve or gtfo.
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Re: Raptors Ruined Valanciunas' Athleticism 

Post#209 » by Neutral 123 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:40 pm

mesomorph wrote:
Neutral 123 wrote:
mesomorph wrote:All JV need to do is to lose ~ 10 pounds of fat and gain ~6 pounds of muscle. then he will be fast, strong, regain vertical etc.. His nba size does not count if this size consist of fat

Doesn't that speak negatively of him? Why is he carrying 10 extra pounds of fat, and lacking 6 pounds of muscle after 3 years in the league?

6 pounds of pure muscle is A LOT and you cant naturally grow that amount of muscles in short period of time. I think in one year it is possible to gain that much, but speaking about JV, he use a lot of calories during games and training, and he is not genetic freak like howard or bodybuilders, so it is much harder for him to gain that muscles. Fat help him to be stronger, because fat have that ability to increase strength, but with sacrifice of speed.
Just go to supermarket and buy 6-7 pounds of chicken fillet to imagine how much that is

If he's using up all those calories, why does he need to lose 10 pounds of fat?
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