Trading Lowry while his Value is at it's highest

Treadmill_Team · Post #1 » by **Treadmill_Team** » Sat May 28, 2016 8:39 pm

If I had to pick between Demar and Lowry, there's no question I want Lowry. But if we lose Demar we get nothing, we can get something for Lowry. With him finishing the playoffs strong, having a game 7 superstar level performance, 3rd team All-NBA and only making only 12 million the trade possibilities are endless.

We have Cojo, Dwright and the rights to De Colo. I'm a huge De Colo fan and believe if you put him on an NBA championship level team, he could be a very productive starting point in the NBA. Point guard is also the deepest position in the NBA.

If George and Cousins are available and lowry can make the deal happen I feel like MU should jump on it. Both those players have superstar potential that I just don't see Lowry ever reaching at his age. Even if we have to throw in a JV and figure out a way to dump salary to sign Biz, I'm in. Throw as many 1st round picks in as you want, we aren't losing anytime soon so the picks are useless. if Lowry can make a Cousins or George trade happen, you do it.

Even if the Lakers are in a win now mode and don't want to wait on Ingram(which is possible since they don't have their pick next year), I'd consider a Lowry for #2. It would be a step back for the present, but a huge step forward for the future. And not that big of a step back since we'd be upgrading our starting 3 and have depth at point. Lakers still would have plenty of cap space and would be a much more attractive destination for a Durant or even Lebron if he wins the Championship this year.

MU has to be open to everything bc Demar stepped up his game at the end of the playoffs and is getting the Max. If you sign Demar, and don't trade Lowry at the draft or this off-season....this is our team going forward. Lowry could have an average year next and will get over 20 million. There is no cap space for any players let alone superstar signings for a while. We will be winning so the chances we draft a superstar in the 20's is unlikely. It really comes down to do you think you can win a chip with Lowry and Derozan as your best two players? If not, trading lowry at the draft or in the off-season has to be strongly considered imo

RaptorsLife · Post #2 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sat May 28, 2016 8:41 pm

Yikes. Lowry the only reason we made it this far

PrinceV · Post #3 » by **PrinceV** » Sat May 28, 2016 8:44 pm

Trading Lowry would be the worst move this franchise would be doing. You'd simply erase everything that was accomplished.

Clutch0z24 · Post #4 » by **Clutch0z24** » Sat May 28, 2016 8:55 pm

Lowry may have had a lackluster post season to say the least but he came up huge in key moments and was super clutch when he needed to be....
Lowry is one of our best players we ever had and i say we keep him for the long haul and retire him as a Raptor.

nbafan341 · Post #5 » by **nbafan341** » Sat May 28, 2016 8:57 pm

you have to build a winning culture. there's a reason why people underestimated the franchise, we were losers for years, we didnt have great free agent attraction potential. Now we're turning heads and becoming a better franchise and the culture is shifting. We're in the east, a conference that seems like the only contender is cleveland. For all we know, we have ECF-apperances as well for the future and continue to grow. It would be countreproductive to trade lowry and erase the culture that we're going to build.

DeadHorse · Post #6 » by **DeadHorse** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:02 pm

You're not getting enough in return for a 1 year rental

pingpongrac · Post #7 » by **pingpongrac** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:16 pm

Derailing / Baiting

omar36 · Post #8 » by **omar36** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:17 pm

we wont ever get real vlaue for lowry since hes expiring and a ufa next season.
also if demar does leave, it will suck but we shouldnt just blow it up b/c then we would be in treadmill land.

demar is a great player but we can still compete without him especially if our younger guys step up.

soloxylo · Post #9 » by **soloxylo** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:17 pm

Derailing

nbafan341 · Post #10 » by **nbafan341** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:23 pm

no need to attack OP, he raises a good point about trading players when their value is high. In this situation, id disagree with trading lowry but there's no need to shoot OP down so much guys, we're all family here right!

LJKO · Post #11 » by **LJKO** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:29 pm

Kevistics wrote:no need to attack OP, he raises a good point about trading players when their value is high. In this situation, id disagree with trading lowry but there's no need to shoot OP down so much guys, we're all family here right!

That how we role here if he and you can't tolerated being attack then GTFO :roll:

nbafan341 · Post #12 » by **nbafan341** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:32 pm

LJKO wrote:
Kevistics wrote:no need to attack OP, he raises a good point about trading players when their value is high. In this situation, id disagree with trading lowry but there's no need to shoot OP down so much guys, we're all family here right!

That how we role here if he and you can't tolerated being attack then GTFO

LOLOL that's jokes. I mean, Ive been that fan, to shoot down ppl when they say something I dont agree with, but after like 10 years, ive matured and realized civil discussions are the way to go!

alienchild · Post #13 » by **alienchild** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:37 pm

Baiting

Pooh_Jeter · Post #14 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:38 pm

If you were advocating a full rebuild I could at least entertain the thought, but trading Lowry in order to build around DD is lunacy.

Treadmill_Team · Post #15 » by **Treadmill_Team** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:38 pm

omar36 wrote:we wont ever get real vlaue for lowry since hes expiring and a ufa next season.
also if demar does leave, it will suck but we shouldnt just blow it up b/c then we would be in treadmill land.

demar is a great player but we can still compete without him especially if our younger guys step up.

The team we would trade Lowry to would have the whole off-season and season to re-sign Lowry. Like I said, if the pacers are looking to trade George, why not Lowry and JV for a George and filler(Allen)?

Same with Sacramento, if cousins is available, why not take Lowry and JV for Cousins and filler(kofus, Belli)

I doubt either of those teams can get better deals and we'd be getting the better player.

You guys act like I'm saying trade Lowry for nothing. I'm saying trade lowry for players that are better(Cousins or George) or have the potential to be better(ingram)

But you think you can win with Lowry and Derozan as your best two players, keep it as is.

alienchild · Post #16 » by **alienchild** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:40 pm

omar36 wrote:we wont ever get real vlaue for lowry since hes expiring and a ufa next season.
also if demar does leave, it will suck but we shouldnt just blow it up b/c then we would be in treadmill land.

demar is a great player but we can still compete without him especially if our younger guys step up.

We can be competitive without DeMar if it comes to that. Without Lowry, we're trash.

Thats a Rap · Post #17 » by **Thats a Rap** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:42 pm

No, you can't trade Lowry. This type of "sell high" mentality is only useful if you are going with a Sam Hinkie "process" that involves tanking and rebuilding. He's the leader of the team and is the one guy you absolutely cannot trade under any circumstances. It would not only be a terrible sign to the fanbase, but also to the players that show we're not serious about winning.

Now, if some magical deal came along where someone offered you Paul George as OP brings up, then yeah, that's a different story. But that isn't realistic, so not really worth debating. And there's just no chance you get value for a guy like Kyle, in his free agency year especially. Don't forget, the top handful of teams in the league already have star PG (CLE, GSW, OKC, SAS, LAC, MIA) and others aren't going to give up a young superstar like George or Cousins for a guy in his final year. So you are only faced with options where we get much less than his value, which makes no sense for a team in our position (it'd be different if we were underperforming and this core needed to be blown up, like MU thought in 2013). Bottom line, he should not be traded, and must be extended, full stop.

Rayflow · Post #18 » by **Rayflow** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:45 pm

You lost me when you started mentioning de colo

phanman · Post #19 » by **phanman** » Sat May 28, 2016 9:47 pm

Lol we'd get destroyed with a Cojo/Wright/De Colo PG lineup.. Lowry literally is the team on both ends of the floor. There is also a reason De Colo isn't the NBA lol, just because he got Euroleague MVP doesn't make him some a championship starting PG material lol.

In theory I get what you mean with a Lowry/Demar core possibly not being good enough to win it all, especially with Lebron still in the L, but trading Lowry at this point would cause a **** storm and Demar is not capable of being the de-facto #1 option without Lowry there to bail him out.

Treadmill_Team · Post #20 » by **Treadmill_Team** » Sat May 28, 2016 10:03 pm

Thats a Rap wrote:No, you can't trade Lowry. This type of "sell high" mentality is only useful if you are going with a Sam Hinkie "process" that involves tanking and rebuilding. He's the leader of the team and is the one guy you absolutely cannot trade under any circumstances. It would not only be a terrible sign to the fanbase, but also to the players that show we're not serious about winning.

Now, if some magical deal came along where someone offered you Paul George as OP brings up, then yeah, that's a different story. But that isn't realistic, so not really worth debating. And there's just no chance you get value for a guy like Kyle, in his free agency year especially. Don't forget, the top handful of teams in the league already have star PG (CLE, GSW, OKC, SAS, LAC, MIA) and others aren't going to give up a young superstar like George or Cousins for a guy in his final year. So you are only faced with options where we get much less than his value, which makes no sense for a team in our position (it'd be different if we were underperforming and this core needed to be blown up, like MU thought in 2013). Bottom line, he should not be traded, and must be extended, full stop.

This works both ways. if George and Cousins are available, the kings and pacers can't expect to get a player back better than either of them. You really think there's more on the table than Lowry/JV, 9 and next years 1st?