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OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:32 pm
by Mr. Natural
Crosspost from reddit

On draft night, fellow user /u/bigcritic produced a compelling photo of a yearbook which suggested Thon Maker was far older than 19. However, the snapshot was vague and couldn’t conclusively support these accusations. People remained unconvinced, arguing that all the students could’ve been listed alphabetically regardless of grade or were just members of a particular club.
When the Bucks drafted him with the 10th pick the debate about his age continued amongst our fanbase. Apologists were vehement that these were all just rumors from other teams trying to crash his draft stock. One of our users on realgm was able to locate a former student of his old high school who had the actual yearbook and he was kind enough to submit more conclusive photos showing Thon graduated in 2010.

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Rough timeline of his journey from Perth schoolboy to NBA lottery pick

200x-2010
Thon Maker is enrolled in Aranmore Catholic College, a high school in Perth. He was part of the 2010 graduating class.

2010-2011
During this time he was discovered by Edmund Smith, an extremely shady talent scout who worked mainly with Sudanese kids and had a reputation for being controlling. He saw Thon’s size, athleticism and potential but also knew it would never work with him being 18 already and still so raw and skinny.

2011
In early 2011, Thon Maker resurfaced as a 14 year old prodigy in Sydney where he joined the local club, St George Saints, an U/16 Division 2 squad. He didn’t attend school at this time and just played basketball, away from anyone who had previously known him and was a way to build credibility around his age. I suspect his age was somehow changed in the transition from Perth to Sydney.
Late 2011-2012
He had gone to camps in the US by this time and the highlight reels of the amazing “8th grader” had started to emerge.

2012-2015
Maker began 8th grade in the 2011-2012 season. Afterwards he was bounced around various schools, at least 3 in the US and a couple as well in Canada.

2016
Edmund Smith’s plan had succeeded and this was the first of his projects to get him a cut of NBA salary.
After hearing John Hammond’s responses on the radio I suspect he knew or suspected Thon was older, he just didn’t care. He connected personally with Thon and was willing to invest in his strong intangibles and it was an age range he could work with. Only time will tell if he made the right move. Obviously, being a raw 21-23 year old is completely different from being raw at 19.

TLDR: Thon Maker graduated high school in 2010 in Australia and 6 years later was drafted fresh out of high school. We have a 2010 yearbook photo showing him in 12th grade and a 2007 photo showing him in 9th grade. Evidence pretty strong now to suggest he could be as old as 23.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:37 pm
by MavCarter
I mean 23 still isn't old and he can still become a decent player but i don't think he has that star potential. If you send most 23 year olds in the NBA back to highschool (in canada) they would avg 40ppg lol

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:38 pm
by MavCarter
If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:41 pm
by alienchild
Mr. Natural wrote:Crosspost from reddit

On draft night, fellow user /u/bigcritic produced a compelling photo of a yearbook which suggested Thon Maker was far older than 19. However, the snapshot was vague and couldn’t conclusively support these accusations. People remained unconvinced, arguing that all the students could’ve been listed alphabetically regardless of grade or were just members of a particular club.
When the Bucks drafted him with the 10th pick the debate about his age continued amongst our fanbase. Apologists were vehement that these were all just rumors from other teams trying to crash his draft stock. One of our users on realgm was able to locate a former student of his old high school who had the actual yearbook and he was kind enough to submit more conclusive photos showing Thon graduated in 2010.

Image

Rough timeline of his journey from Perth schoolboy to NBA lottery pick

200x-2010
Thon Maker is enrolled in Aranmore Catholic College, a high school in Perth. He was part of the 2010 graduating class.

2010-2011
During this time he was discovered by Edmund Smith, an extremely shady talent scout who worked mainly with Sudanese kids and had a reputation for being controlling. He saw Thon’s size, athleticism and potential but also knew it would never work with him being 18 already and still so raw and skinny.

2011
In early 2011, Thon Maker resurfaced as a 14 year old prodigy in Sydney where he joined the local club, St George Saints, an U/16 Division 2 squad. He didn’t attend school at this time and just played basketball, away from anyone who had previously known him and was a way to build credibility around his age. I suspect his age was somehow changed in the transition from Perth to Sydney.
Late 2011-2012
He had gone to camps in the US by this time and the highlight reels of the amazing “8th grader” had started to emerge.

2012-2015
Maker began 8th grade in the 2011-2012 season. Afterwards he was bounced around various schools, at least 3 in the US and a couple as well in Canada.

2016
Edmund Smith’s plan had succeeded and this was the first of his projects to get him a cut of NBA salary.
After hearing John Hammond’s responses on the radio I suspect he knew or suspected Thon was older, he just didn’t care. He connected personally with Thon and was willing to invest in his strong intangibles and it was an age range he could work with. Only time will tell if he made the right move. Obviously, being a raw 21-23 year old is completely different from being raw at 19.

TLDR: Thon Maker graduated high school in 2010 in Australia and 6 years later was drafted fresh out of high school. We have a 2010 yearbook photo showing him in 12th grade and a 2007 photo showing him in 9th grade. Evidence pretty strong now to suggest he could be as old as 23.



So what? We didn't draft him, so what does it matter how old he is? Why be a dog with a bone?

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:42 pm
by CrookedJ
The girl left slightly up from him is Susan Chuot ( there is another link with names showing)

She is 23.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/09/sudanese-refugee-makes-afl-history

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:42 pm
by Wraps_fan
McGregFan wrote:If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age

Nah. Ersan Ilyasova not only lied about his age but also his nationality lmao

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:44 pm
by S ID
Damn... Dude is 23 and averaged 29 and 14 against Canadian high school kids.

And is about to become a millionaire because of it.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:48 pm
by Fairview4Life
Remember when reddit identified the Boston bomber(s)?

Unsourced internet pictures from random people aren't actually proof of anything. We have been discussing this since the day of the draft: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1456865

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:50 pm
by Johnny Bball
This has already been a thread.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1457783#start_here

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:51 pm
by verysalt
McGregFan wrote:If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age


I found on internet smaller version of snap shot with clear names a day before the drafts. Bucks probably didn't care about his age just like us don't care about Biz age.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:53 pm
by MavCarter
Fairview4Life wrote:Remember when reddit identified the Boston bomber(s)?

Unsourced internet pictures from random people aren't actually proof of anything. We have been discussing this since the day of the draft: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1456865



I mean this is pretty convincing lol https://vid.me/ncxK

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:56 pm
by MavCarter
verysalt wrote:
McGregFan wrote:If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age


I found on internet smaller version of snap shot with clear names a day before the drafts. Bucks probably didn't care about his age just like us don't care about Biz age.



Yeah i think teams don't care as long as its hush hush and no one finds out/no proof anywhere floating around. If this blows up on social media i would think immigration would start to sniff around though

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:59 pm
by MavCarter
I hope its gets proven wrong lol. Im not mad at anyone that came from stuggle and can feed their family now

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:01 pm
by verysalt
McGregFan wrote:
verysalt wrote:
McGregFan wrote:If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age


I found on internet smaller version of snap shot with clear names a day before the drafts. Bucks probably didn't care about his age just like us don't care about Biz age.



Yeah i think teams don't care as long as its hush hush and no one finds out/no proof anywhere floating around. If this blows up on social media i would think immigration would start to sniff around though


I hope so.
Lying about age should be looked in the same way as using doping because it gives unfair advantage over others.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:08 pm
by CrookedJ
McGregFan wrote:If this is true and it blows up on social media thon/nba could catch some serious heat. Pretty sure you can get deported for lying about your age



It would really depend on what the documents he has say. Yes birth certificates from Sudan are sometimes unreliable, but docs from Australia are not.

He is using an Aussie passport which would be the basis of coming to the USA and then Canada, what age does that show him to be? Obviously we don't get to see that stuff, but the teams do.

He came to Australia as a refugee, and while docs might have been scarce incoming, he would have a variety of documents from Australia issued at that time that would reflect his age as they knew it to be. This would have been from circa 2002, when he would have had no reason to be untruthful about his age. It also is much harder for say a 9 year old to pass for a 5 year old than 23 vs 19....

I have a hard time believing that Thon's family either set this all up from the get go as a child, or that he later convinced Australia to chance the DOB on his passport.

My opinion....either he is 23, all his official papers back it up, and the teams all know it, or this yearbook thing is a fraud.

Another option is that there are multiple Thon Makers with similar backgrounds, it seems like there were quite a few Makers at that school ( redit) and people are confusing them.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:08 pm
by TheGoodDoctor
Would take Perry Jones over him.


I wonder if Siakam is still in his 30s...

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:09 pm
by Irwin_fletcher
It does matter for a few reasons. From a value standpoint, Thon was taken 10th while saikam was taken 27th. The biggest advantage Thon had was his age to be able to progress. Since saikam 's skillset were far more defined. Basically, Bucks might have drafted the less skilled player,playing a lower quality of opponent at an older age.

The other side is what the league will do to deter agents/sponsors from having so much control over a player. Surely they won't be fond about finding a player being created by a marketing team with with fraudulent claims. I think the NBA could have a case for fraud against the handlers if indeed they pushed this false documentation.

All that to be said, it sounds like a great idea taking a big swing for a talented prospect with high upside, but this wasn't the guy to take that swing with.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:11 pm
by Fairview4Life
McGregFan wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:Remember when reddit identified the Boston bomber(s)?

Unsourced internet pictures from random people aren't actually proof of anything. We have been discussing this since the day of the draft: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1456865



I mean this is pretty convincing lol https://vid.me/ncxK


Except the Australian government issued him a Visa with a birth year of 1997. They would not do that and then throw him in classes with kids 5 years older than they thought he was. There are also a fair amount of Sudanese refugees in Australia, including a number of other kids named Maker. Other students in the class of the kid named Thon Maker from the yearbook video said they remembered a shorter Thon Maker, not the guy who was drafted.

There is a fairly large thread on the Bucks board about all of this if you want to take a look.

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:12 pm
by underdog33
Maybe there are like 80 Thon Makers out of Sudan, I mean how many Mamadou N'diayes are there

Re: OT: Thon Maker is actually 23 years old

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:15 pm
by SwaggyB
Whatever happened to the 30 year old that was playing high school ball? He was arrested, and then what...?