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“He shows flashes every so often of being this really complete driver and defender and shot-blocker,” said David Gale, an assistant coach with Raptors 905, the D-League team with whom Caboclo spent most of his second season. “Sometimes, you’re like, ‘S—, this guy could be really special.’”

"I think it was decision making. Knowing when to shoot, knowing when to pass, what’s a good shot, what’s a bad shot (are still works in progress). It’s a little bit mechanical. Working with (Jerry Stackhouse, Raptors 905 coach) a lot, he’s got certain things from him — keep the elbow in, follow through every time. There are inconsistencies in his shot every time. It’s just not the same shot every time. When he does have the consistency of shooting the same way every time, you see much better results.”

“His defensive ability is better at (power forward than on the wing), we feel,” Mahlalela said. “Those long arms that everyone spoke about when he was drafted, they actually play a role when he’s in pick-and-roll coverage as the (power forward). He’s got active arms. He can get deflections, which is big. It just puts him in a space where he can space out the floor, and other (power forwards) can’t contest his three as much.”

Gale mentioned that Caboclo’s lateral quickness is not quite what the Raptors would want, which limits his upside when defending quicker wing players.

“Because of his length, (power forward) will be the spot he fits in the best at,” Gale said. “We saw that last year that he would play guys that were stronger in the post. Because he was so long, he was still available to block shots even if he got backed down.”

Much more at the link. Not the most optimistic read but a realistic update on where things are at with him.

I almost spit out my drink when I read "Koreen: Raptors abandoning Caboclo..."

Year 1 was a write off for Bruno to get acclimated so my expectation were very low.

Year 2, i expected to see some linear improvement and was happy about some of the results

In Year 3, its time to grow up. I don't expect Bruno to be a rotation player but there needs to be some results in the Big league and D-League. Ive been very underwhelmed by his limited minutes and feel like this "shift to PF" is the beginning of the end for him.

I don't know why a part of the fan base is ready to quit on this guy. I like that we are taking an agile approach to his development. No need to extend the guy, but no need to cut him either because he hasn't performed yet.

I always thought he projected as a stretch 4. How good of one is clearly an open question.

I'm fine with this - I question if he has the lateral speed and defensive awareness to guard slashing 3s. He'll have to get stronger of course, but there's enough stretch type 4s he's not going to get bullied all the time.

I thought he was starting to get it and break out a bit near the end of the last DLeague season and then instead in Summer League and Training Camp he's mostly looked terrible - worse than he did his first year at times. I'm discouraged - really need to see him start the DLeague season well and show something. That said - I think it's very likely we pick up his 4th year option and I'm fine with that. We've invested this much time, may as well see it out until the end. It's not like his salary slot is going to make or break us. Would be nice to see him have good games early in the DLeague season and get my optimism about this experiment back.

That's kind of where I saw him ending up, as a PF.

Bruno will be out of the league playing in some some random Brazilian league, failed experiment. Watching that cringe-worthy NBATV commercial of draft day and Masai saying "this is a good one guys" after picking him, please lmao

Failed experiment. Hope he saved his money.

I had thought PF was always the plan. Go figure.

Good. The few of us who bothered to watch a lot of D League last year were saying all along he's a PF. Sure he's weak for a PF, but he's got a better chance of continuing to increase his strength than he does of developing all the necessary ball skills to be a wing.
If he's going to save his young career this is how it has to happen. Stretch 4 who racks up blocks and steals. Beside JV that's enough.

Double Helix wrote:Read more here

“He shows flashes every so often of being this really complete driver and defender and shot-blocker,” said David Gale, an assistant coach with Raptors 905, the D-League team with whom Caboclo spent most of his second season. “Sometimes, you’re like, ‘S—, this guy could be really special.’”

"I think it was decision making. Knowing when to shoot, knowing when to pass, what’s a good shot, what’s a bad shot (are still works in progress). It’s a little bit mechanical. Working with (Jerry Stackhouse, Raptors 905 coach) a lot, he’s got certain things from him — keep the elbow in, follow through every time. There are inconsistencies in his shot every time. It’s just not the same shot every time. When he does have the consistency of shooting the same way every time, you see much better results.”

“His defensive ability is better at (power forward than on the wing), we feel,” Mahlalela said. “Those long arms that everyone spoke about when he was drafted, they actually play a role when he’s in pick-and-roll coverage as the (power forward). He’s got active arms. He can get deflections, which is big. It just puts him in a space where he can space out the floor, and other (power forwards) can’t contest his three as much.”

Gale mentioned that Caboclo’s lateral quickness is not quite what the Raptors would want, which limits his upside when defending quicker wing players.

“Because of his length, (power forward) will be the spot he fits in the best at,” Gale said. “We saw that last year that he would play guys that were stronger in the post. Because he was so long, he was still available to block shots even if he got backed down.”

Much more at the link. Not the most optimistic read but a realistic update on where things are at with him.

Sounds like they saw everything I saw last year. He had no trouble blocking or changing shots of bigger and stronger guys at the rim. And his shot does look great at times and horrible at others. I had no idea his mechanics were so inconsistent though. Shouldn't someone have been hammering him to shoot 500-1000 the same way every day?

Better starting eating kiddo.

And yeah - I think a lot of us thought this would be the end result anyway.
He just never looked too comfortable out on the perimeter.

I do remember many of you stating that this was likely to become the reality. I had personally hoped he'd grow into a player that was able to use his tremendous length to guard SFs but I suppose it was more wishful thinking.

Having said that, we see guys like Melo and Paul George and countless others switching back and forth between the 3/4 lately so if he's kind of projecting to be a tweener there then it's not the worst era to be that.

The inconsistency is frustrating. There certainly have been moments where I felt like I could imagine him playing 12-18 actual NBA minutes perhaps as early as next year in a simplified 3&D role but just as quickly as that glimpse comes he does something stupid reminding you how raw he truly is even within the confines of a highly simplified role. He is still quite young and the learning curve of those first couple years was incredibly steep. If some first round NCAA prospects take 3-4 years to do something maybe waiting to see if the lightbulb does go off for him isn't the worst idea.


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We are babying this guy just like Bargs. I do hope it works out.

Every time I see his name, I can't believe we choose this guy while Rodney Hood was still on the board. It's as if we didn't learn from the Ross over Drummond situation.

Then we went with Wright over Portis.

You know something, we've made it quite far for a team that's made so many blatant f*ckups. Had management actually used their brains and stop trying to outsmart themselves and overthink things, the sky might have been the limit for this squad. Smh

0 - 100 wrote:We are babying this guy just like Bargs. I do hope it works out.

He has been gifted zero starting minutes.

Rapsfan07 wrote:Every time I see his name, I can't believe we choose this guy while Rodney Hood was still on the board. It's as if we didn't learn from the Ross over Drummond situation.

Then we went with Wright over Portis.

You know something, we've made it quite far for a team that's made so many blatant f*ckups. Had management actually used their brains and stop trying to outsmart themselves and overthink things, the sky might have been the limit for this squad. Smh

Agreed on Bruno over Hood for sure. Disagree on Portis over Wright as being anywhere near as risky, controversial or worrying and I actually like Portis.

Wright is going to be a player in this league long-term IMO though. Not his fault he became injured. Here's his comparison with Portis. Note the per minute comparisons. They were both good in limited minutes as rookies and showed flashes. Wright was way too good for D-league when I watched him.

http://bkref.com/tiny/J6TyY


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The problem with Bruno is that he's just not very good at basketball. I didn't mind the risk on the pick by Masai, but I don't think he's going to hit.

Rapsfan07 wrote:Every time I see his name, I can't believe we choose this guy while Rodney Hood was still on the board. It's as if we didn't learn from the Ross over Drummond situation.

Then we went with Wright over Portis.

You know something, we've made it quite far for a team that's made so many blatant f*ckups. Had management actually used their brains and stop trying to outsmart themselves and overthink things, the sky might have been the limit for this squad. Smh

Portis and Wright are completely similar caliber players. Both project as solid bench guys. Complaining about that pick is hilarious.