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The Ringer: Raptors should consider blowing it up

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The Ringer: Raptors should consider blowing it up 

Post#1 » by Troubadour » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:16 pm

https://theringer.com/toronto-raptors-possible-rebuild-kyle-lowry-demar-derozan-nba-e5f75d3981f3#.6eobcfa87

TLDR = DeMar DeRozan is an inefficient chucker who is worse without Lowry up until the last stretch of games. Lowry is old, Raptors will play poorly in playoffs, and yadayadayada.

This article's premise purposefully ignores the fact that a player matures from when they are 23 to 27 as DeRozan has this season.
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Post#2 » by Zeno » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:23 pm

I don't even disagree with the writer that they should consider rebuilding, but the anti-demar thing by some stats guys seems to be at least partially motivated by the fact that any success he has invalidates the work they have put into building their models.
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Re: The Ringer: Raptors should consider blowing it up 

Post#3 » by pbj » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:23 pm

Click bait. Nothing gets a sports site traffic like ticking off Toronto fans.
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Post#4 » by Reg00 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:24 pm

Maybe the Ringer should blow it up. They are really missing that superstar writer like Lowe or high character guys like Jalen and Jacoby to have a strong brand.

They blow it up, start over and negotiate for some solid talent.

Bill and either Grantland and the Ringer has been begging the Raps to blow it up for years! Talk about narrow focus, narrative hustlers.

Edit: valid point on Click Bait. Honest point I didn't hit the link. Which I guess makes me somewhat narrow headed myself.
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Post#5 » by Risk101 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:25 pm

This article should have been made after the playoffs. He now will go back and scream about how right he was if we don't make it to the eastern conference finals.
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Post#6 » by RaptorsLife » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:28 pm

Whatever masai ujiri wants to do. I trust but

You could make this same article about

Rockets
Utah
Memphis
Clippers
Atlanta
Pacers
Heat
OKC
ETC

But choose toronto because we will give him hits on his site
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Post#7 » by HerboftheSerb » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:28 pm

The guy who wrote the article is about to be on the fan 590 any minute now
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Post#8 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:32 pm

not going to click, just know the article is hot garbage.
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Post#9 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:34 pm

Another Boston-based "NBA analyst." Seriously **** these guys.
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Post#10 » by Mikistan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:35 pm

Risk101 wrote:This article should have been made after the playoffs. He now will go back and scream about how right he was if we don't make it to the eastern conference finals.


I love how he said the last 3 years have ended in playoff disappointment

ECF last year isn't a disappointment unless you assumed you could beat the Cleveland Lebrons
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Post#11 » by Mattd97 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:36 pm

it took us 20 years to get here, im gonna enjoy the views for a bit longer thank you very much
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Post#12 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:37 pm

The article was well written and at least thought out. It's worth a read. I like it that it uses quotes by Masai himself.

I think an article like this was written too soon. If they lose in the 1st round, it's a valid argument given all the free agents the team has. But if they go to the ECF back to back years, it's hard to justify blowing a team like that up, especially when the Cavs seem to be on the decline.
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Post#13 » by Mack11 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:38 pm

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Post#14 » by Harold_and_Kumar » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:40 pm

#noclick

Thanks for the heads up with the TLDR!

As for his point, it's a mess. I think blowing it up is predicated on whether MLSE is going to be willing to go into the tax and our performance in the playoffs this season. It is way too early to tell at this point and the article is a couple months premature.

I totally agree with Zeno. Researchers sometimes get tied to the work they do because they throw all their passion, time and effort into it. So when there are anomalies, they get frustrated or try their best to contextualize them away.
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Post#15 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:43 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The article well written and thought out. It's worth a read. I like it that it uses quotes by Masai himself.

I think an article like this was written too soon. If they lose in the 1st round, it's a valid argument given all the free agents the team has. But if they go the ECF back to back years, it's hard to justify blowing a team like that up.


Pretty much every team outside the Warriors and Spurs have a legitimate argument to blow it up.
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Post#16 » by Brinbe » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:50 pm

Just saw this on there/read through it and knew there'd be a thread about it here. What a dumb piece of analysis.
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Post#17 » by TerryTate » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:51 pm

Felt like there a lack of any conclusion.
Like this article might have been better, if it was written during the playoffs and some kind of point can be made about his arguments. I feel it just listed a lot of "could have" scenarios..... vs any real conclusion.
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Post#18 » by tecumseh18 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:52 pm

pbj wrote:Click bait. Nothing gets a sports site traffic like ticking off Toronto fans.


"Click bait" is all headline and no substance. This article has substance. It starts with the premise that Masai is a gangsta who could do anything. It quotes him admitting at the Sloan Conference that the Raptors' window could be "3 months or 3 years".

The writer is suggesting that we may see a Nene-esque delayed sign and trade with Lowry. Maybe Lakers would take DeMar. I'm sure the Knicks would. Anyway, it's more worth reading than that Sportsnet piece (of trash - the bad kind!).
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Post#19 » by Double Helix » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:53 pm

pbj wrote:Click bait. Nothing gets a sports site traffic like ticking off Toronto fans.


This. Probably saw the Sportsnet article while struggling for ideas and pitched this and it was greenlit. You can say this about so many teams in this era.

The bigger counter-question that seems to so regularly be missed is what's the hurry to rebuild? The end goal of each and every rebuild is to get to the level we are now at or higher. So, until we're sliding backwards more what's the hurry? What do we care if our ownership is spending massive dollars on a 34 year old Kyle Lowry in the end? Do we really think that's going to stop us from being able to accumulate assets if he's indeed fallen off by then? Did Kobe and his big contract near the end stop the Lakers from being able to acquire assets in the draft? Will Dirk this year? If the Nets hadn't made such dumb trades and actually owned their draft pick this year would Brook Lopez and his big salary have stood in the way of them beginning their rebuild process wit him still on the roster? The answer to all of these is no. Throughout NBA history former ECF teams and up have had some of the vets they want to play a role in the franchise after retirement around on these golden parachute type of deals past their primes and in leadership roles. This isn't a new concept and you can still go into the lottery with these guys on the roster if they're truly past their prime and you do some other things around them anyway. These guys know this when they sign their deals. They know it's a possibility.

So, what's the rush? The steady stream of prospects will still be there. We'll be further removed from the super team era via the new CBA. We'll have a better idea of which teams in the East will be the next long-term dynasties to take down, and which are rising up, and can plan for those. So, why the hurry to tear down the best Raptors team in history just because it's an uphill battle to topple the Cavs or Warriors this year or the next? There could just as easily be new powerhouse teams waiting if we rebuild immediately and rise up 4-5 years from now anyway and there's still no guarantee that the new core will be able to get to this level of play anyway. I just don't see the urgency. Like... at all.
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Post#20 » by Rejected » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:53 pm

I'm not reading it. I already know what it says, and I know what I see with my eyes.

I am on the record hating Demar a lot, but there is no denying he is reaching another level and has some game that few in the L have. He is pretty special right now and if he can bring it in the playoffs, everyone should be on notice.

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