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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#421 » by Concernedcad » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:33 pm

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ill-Will03 wrote:damn so JV even gets benched by his National team too? Guess Casey was actually onto something guys...


I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


JV seems content with life. He's made millions will live a good life. He doesn't have the drive needed to take advantage of his talents.
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#422 » by ill-Will03 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:37 pm

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ill-Will03 wrote:damn so JV even gets benched by his National team too? Guess Casey was actually onto something guys...


I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


JV seems content with life. He's made millions will live a good life. He doesn't have the drive needed to take advantage of his talents.



That's actually a good point. Sad to say but he may have caught the Bargs syndrome his first year playing with him. That's why I don't necessarily agree when people blame our management and coaching staff for his poor play. If he really wanted more mins Casey already told him what he needs to do, be dominant, but that's not something you can force someone to do, that's really on them on how great they wanna be and how hard they wanna try
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#423 » by Mikistan » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:38 pm

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Concernedcad wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


JV seems content with life. He's made millions will live a good life. He doesn't have the drive needed to take advantage of his talents.


That's actually a good point. Sad to say but he may have caught the Bargs syndrome his first year playing with him. That's why I don't necessarily agree when people blame our management and coaching staff for his poor play. If he really wanted more mins Casey already told him what he needs to do, be dominant, but that's not something you can force someone to do, that's really on them on how great they wanna be and how hard they wanna try

Except when he would get double doubles in quarters and still get benched

Stop it, that dominate quote was a **** joke the moment it was uttered
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#424 » by BetterCallSaul » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:07 am

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Concernedcad wrote:
JV seems content with life. He's made millions will live a good life. He doesn't have the drive needed to take advantage of his talents.


That's actually a good point. Sad to say but he may have caught the Bargs syndrome his first year playing with him. That's why I don't necessarily agree when people blame our management and coaching staff for his poor play. If he really wanted more mins Casey already told him what he needs to do, be dominant, but that's not something you can force someone to do, that's really on them on how great they wanna be and how hard they wanna try

Except when he would get double doubles in quarters and still get benched

Stop it, that dominate quote was a **** joke the moment it was uttered


Nah, old school bigs don't fit anymore unless they dominate the paint. 10/10 or even 12/12 isn't special if you can't defend the pick and roll or stretch the floor. It's useful, but certainly warrants pulling him from certain matchups.
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#425 » by slothrop8 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:32 am

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ill-Will03 wrote:damn so JV even gets benched by his National team too? Guess Casey was actually onto something guys...


I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


Does it make you feel any better that he played pretty well for all in the preparation games last year and then was terrible in the Olympics? Maybe this year will be the reverse?
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#426 » by Lukeem » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:56 am

cannot believe all the negativity towards jv on here its just stupid and irrational.... im coaching in a camp this week so just got around to watching the second game vs france

lithuania won every shift he played on... against frances top lines which featured guards that gave lithuania a lot of trouble

he either; scored (2), missed a high percentage shot for him (3), was fouled (8) made a great pass (2) or just moved the ball where it needed to go everytime he touched the ball... didnt turn it over or make a poor choice once

france gave him no room all game


defensively 1 block, while doing a great job sliding to get it.... several great contests forcing misses on switches and help, even getting the d board himself a bunch of times

good solid game, showing improvements in passing, decision making in general and all over on D
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#427 » by RaptorsLife » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:39 pm

JV looks the same to me
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#428 » by UcanUwill » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:02 pm

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UcanUwill wrote:
ill-Will03 wrote:damn so JV even gets benched by his National team too? Guess Casey was actually onto something guys...


I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


Does it make you feel any better that he played pretty well for all in the preparation games last year and then was terrible in the Olympics? Maybe this year will be the reverse?


I wish, but I dont see that happening. He plays very predictably. When he was young, he was very good pick and roll player, with decent fundamentals, used to keep the ball high and barely turned it over. Now all he does is get the ball in post iso position, pumpfake and just run into bodies trying to perform that hook of his, half the time turning it over or forcing a stupid shot in ridiculous fashion.
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#429 » by UcanUwill » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:22 pm

Belgium announced their final 12, Spain unofficially has set their final 12 as well.

Their rosters :

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PGs

Ricky Rubio -- (Jazz NBA)
Sergio Rodríguez -- (CSKA Moscow Image)
Guillem Vives -- (Valencia Image)

SGs

Álex Abrines -- (Thunder NBA)
Juan Carlos Navarro -- (Barcelona Image)

SFs

Fernando San Emeterio -- (Valencia Image)
Joan Sastre -- (Valencia Image)

PFs

Juan Hernangómez -- (Nuggets NBA)
Pierre Oriola -- (Barcelona Image)

Cs

Marc Gasol -- (Grizzlies NBA)
Pau Gasol -- (Spurs NBA)
Willy Hernangómez -- (Knicks NBA)



Image FIBA world rank #44
Spoiler:
PGs

Sam Van Rossom -- (Valencia Image)
Manu Lecomte -- (Baylor NCAA)
Quentin Serron -- (BCM Gravelines Image)]

SGs

Jonathan Tabu -- (Bilbao Image)

SFs

Jean-Marc Mwema -- (Oostende Image)
Jean Salumu -- (Oostende Image)

PFs

Axel Hervelle -- (Bilbao Image)
Maxime de Zeeuw -- (EWE Baskets Image)
Pierre-Antoine Gillet -- (Élan Chalon Image)
Ismael Bako -- (Leuven Bears Image)


Cs

Kevin Tumba -- (Murcia Image)
Hans Vanwijn -- (Limburg United Image)
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#430 » by Patman » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:49 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Belgium announced their final 12, Spain unofficially has set their final 12 as well.

Their rosters :

Image FIBA world rank #2
Spoiler:
PGs

Ricky Rubio -- (Jazz NBA)
Sergio Rodríguez -- (CSKA Moscow Image)
Guillem Vives -- (Valencia Image)

SGs

Álex Abrines -- (Thunder NBA)
Juan Carlos Navarro -- (Barcelona Image)

SFs

Fernando San Emeterio -- (Valencia Image)
Joan Sastre -- (Valencia Image)

PFs

Juan Hernangómez -- (Nuggets NBA)
Pierre Oriola -- (Barcelona Image)

Cs

Marc Gasol -- (Grizzlies NBA)
Pau Gasol -- (Spurs NBA)
Willy Hernangómez -- (Knicks NBA)



Image FIBA world rank #44
Spoiler:
PGs

Sam Van Rossom -- (Valencia Image)
Manu Lecomte -- (Baylor NCAA)
Quentin Serron -- (BCM Gravelines Image)]

SGs

Jonathan Tabu -- (Bilbao Image)

SFs

Jean-Marc Mwema -- (Oostende Image)
Jean Salumu -- (Oostende Image)

PFs

Axel Hervelle -- (Bilbao Image)
Maxime de Zeeuw -- (EWE Baskets Image)
Pierre-Antoine Gillet -- (Élan Chalon Image)
Ismael Bako -- (Leuven Bears Image)


Cs

Kevin Tumba -- (Murcia Image)
Hans Vanwijn -- (Limburg United Image)


Just curious, do you know if there was any beef between Spain and Mirotic when they put Ibaka on the team over him?
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#431 » by UcanUwill » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:00 pm

Patman wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Belgium announced their final 12, Spain unofficially has set their final 12 as well.

Their rosters :

Image FIBA world rank #2
Spoiler:
PGs

Ricky Rubio -- (Jazz NBA)
Sergio Rodríguez -- (CSKA Moscow Image)
Guillem Vives -- (Valencia Image)

SGs

Álex Abrines -- (Thunder NBA)
Juan Carlos Navarro -- (Barcelona Image)

SFs

Fernando San Emeterio -- (Valencia Image)
Joan Sastre -- (Valencia Image)

PFs

Juan Hernangómez -- (Nuggets NBA)
Pierre Oriola -- (Barcelona Image)

Cs

Marc Gasol -- (Grizzlies NBA)
Pau Gasol -- (Spurs NBA)
Willy Hernangómez -- (Knicks NBA)



Image FIBA world rank #44
Spoiler:
PGs

Sam Van Rossom -- (Valencia Image)
Manu Lecomte -- (Baylor NCAA)
Quentin Serron -- (BCM Gravelines Image)]

SGs

Jonathan Tabu -- (Bilbao Image)

SFs

Jean-Marc Mwema -- (Oostende Image)
Jean Salumu -- (Oostende Image)

PFs

Axel Hervelle -- (Bilbao Image)
Maxime de Zeeuw -- (EWE Baskets Image)
Pierre-Antoine Gillet -- (Élan Chalon Image)
Ismael Bako -- (Leuven Bears Image)


Cs

Kevin Tumba -- (Murcia Image)
Hans Vanwijn -- (Limburg United Image)


Just curious, do you know if there was any beef between Spain and Mirotic when they put Ibaka on the team over him?


Dont think it was. They committed to Mirotic and everything was fine. Mirotic declined to play this year because he was swayed by Bulls. Same happened to Domantas Sabonis.
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#432 » by Patman » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:10 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Patman wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Belgium announced their final 12, Spain unofficially has set their final 12 as well.

Their rosters :

Image FIBA world rank #2
Spoiler:
PGs

Ricky Rubio -- (Jazz NBA)
Sergio Rodríguez -- (CSKA Moscow Image)
Guillem Vives -- (Valencia Image)

SGs

Álex Abrines -- (Thunder NBA)
Juan Carlos Navarro -- (Barcelona Image)

SFs

Fernando San Emeterio -- (Valencia Image)
Joan Sastre -- (Valencia Image)

PFs

Juan Hernangómez -- (Nuggets NBA)
Pierre Oriola -- (Barcelona Image)

Cs

Marc Gasol -- (Grizzlies NBA)
Pau Gasol -- (Spurs NBA)
Willy Hernangómez -- (Knicks NBA)



Image FIBA world rank #44
Spoiler:
PGs

Sam Van Rossom -- (Valencia Image)
Manu Lecomte -- (Baylor NCAA)
Quentin Serron -- (BCM Gravelines Image)]

SGs

Jonathan Tabu -- (Bilbao Image)

SFs

Jean-Marc Mwema -- (Oostende Image)
Jean Salumu -- (Oostende Image)

PFs

Axel Hervelle -- (Bilbao Image)
Maxime de Zeeuw -- (EWE Baskets Image)
Pierre-Antoine Gillet -- (Élan Chalon Image)
Ismael Bako -- (Leuven Bears Image)


Cs

Kevin Tumba -- (Murcia Image)
Hans Vanwijn -- (Limburg United Image)


Just curious, do you know if there was any beef between Spain and Mirotic when they put Ibaka on the team over him?


Dont think it was. They committed to Mirotic and everything was fine. Mirotic declined to play this year because he was swayed by Bulls. Same happened to Domantas Sabonis.


Ah, okay. Still can't believe Spain choked at the 2014 World Cup. That was probably the best roster they ever had:

Pau GASOL
Rudy FERNANDEZ
Sergio RODRIGUEZ
Juan C. NAVARRO
José CALDERON
Felipe REYES
Victor CLAVER
Ricky RUBIO
Sergio LLULL
Marc GASOL
Serge IBAKA
Álex ABRINES
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#433 » by username1 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:43 pm

Isn't Navarro like 60 years old?
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Post#434 » by Patman » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:48 pm

username1 wrote:Isn't Navarro like 60 years old?


Same age as Pau.
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Post#435 » by peixe2k3 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:15 pm

Bruno will play de America's Cup ofr Brazil NT. he made the cut!

04. Davi Rossetto de Oliveira – armador – 23 anos – 1m80 – Basquete Cearense
05. Bruno Fernandes Correa Cabloco – ala/pivô – 21 anos – 2m02 – Toronto Raptors (Canadá)
07. Lucas Dias da Silva – ala/pivô – 22 anos – 2m07 – Paulistano/Corpore
08. Lucas Fernandes Mariano – pivô – 23 anos – 2m07 – UniCEUB/BRBCARD/Brasília
09. Danilo Fuzaro Siqueira – ala – 23 anos – 1m95 – Minas Tênis Clube
10. Renan Santos Lenz – pivô – 26 anos – 2m06 – Gocil/Bauru Basket
11. Fúlvio Chiantia de Assis – armador – 35 anos – 1m86 – CR Vasco da Gama
12. Rafael Ferreira de Sousa (Mineiro) – pivô – 29 anos – 2m09 – SESI-SP/Franca Basquete
13. João Paulo Lopes Batista – pivô – 35 anos – 2m06 – CR Flamengo
14. Leonardo Simões Mendl – ala – 24 anos – 2m00 – SESI-SP/Franca Basquete
18. Jimmy Dreher de Oliveira – ala – 27 anos – 1m90 – Mogi das Cruzes/Helbor
32. George Lucas Alves de Paula – armador – 21 anos – 1m96 – Houston Rockets (EUA)

It is a young team, only 2 guys, Fulvio and JP Batista have some kind of experience with Brazil NT

Yesterday Brazil beat Camerun and Caboclo had 11pts. Dunno any other stats (min, reb, etc) The game was in a small town without national TV, only local coverage...
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#436 » by Young_Buc » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:39 pm

I never envisioned this JV after the u19
Never after he went off on the spurs his rookie season.

Ugh. He sucks. Depressing to remember how good he was before he got money. Were gonna hear about him as a bizzaro darko one day at peace with his brewery
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Post#437 » by Patman » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:43 pm

peixe2k3 wrote:Bruno will play de America's Cup ofr Brazil NT. he made the cut!

04. Davi Rossetto de Oliveira – armador – 23 anos – 1m80 – Basquete Cearense
05. Bruno Fernandes Correa Cabloco – ala/pivô – 21 anos – 2m02 – Toronto Raptors (Canadá)
07. Lucas Dias da Silva – ala/pivô – 22 anos – 2m07 – Paulistano/Corpore
08. Lucas Fernandes Mariano – pivô – 23 anos – 2m07 – UniCEUB/BRBCARD/Brasília
09. Danilo Fuzaro Siqueira – ala – 23 anos – 1m95 – Minas Tênis Clube
10. Renan Santos Lenz – pivô – 26 anos – 2m06 – Gocil/Bauru Basket
11. Fúlvio Chiantia de Assis – armador – 35 anos – 1m86 – CR Vasco da Gama
12. Rafael Ferreira de Sousa (Mineiro) – pivô – 29 anos – 2m09 – SESI-SP/Franca Basquete
13. João Paulo Lopes Batista – pivô – 35 anos – 2m06 – CR Flamengo
14. Leonardo Simões Mendl – ala – 24 anos – 2m00 – SESI-SP/Franca Basquete
18. Jimmy Dreher de Oliveira – ala – 27 anos – 1m90 – Mogi das Cruzes/Helbor
32. George Lucas Alves de Paula – armador – 21 anos – 1m96 – Houston Rockets (EUA)

It is a young team, only 2 guys, Fulvio and JP Batista have some kind of experience with Brazil NT

Yesterday Brazil beat Camerun and Caboclo had 11pts. Dunno any other stats (min, reb, etc) The game was in a small town without national TV, only local coverage...


Yeah, I didn't expect guys like Nene, Splitter, Varejao, and Barbosa to suit up. But I thought they would at least have Bebe and Felicio on the team.
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Post#438 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:49 pm

Young_Buc wrote:I never envisioned this JV after the u19
Never after he went off on the spurs his rookie season.

Ugh. He sucks. Depressing to remember how good he was before he got money. Were gonna hear about him as a bizzaro darko one day at peace with his brewery


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Post#439 » by Kabookalu » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:29 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
slothrop8 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked good at all. That said, this is just preparation games, so coach is just experimenting, but so far, not well for JV. Gudaitis looks better IMO.


Does it make you feel any better that he played pretty well for all in the preparation games last year and then was terrible in the Olympics? Maybe this year will be the reverse?


I wish, but I dont see that happening. He plays very predictably. When he was young, he was very good pick and roll player, with decent fundamentals, used to keep the ball high and barely turned it over. Now all he does is get the ball in post iso position, pumpfake and just run into bodies trying to perform that hook of his, half the time turning it over or forcing a stupid shot in ridiculous fashion.


Back in his rookie year Jonas was described as a bigger Amir Johnson, at least offensively. He was constantly active, had great fundamentals, always kept the ball up, etc. Now he's just so different, and not exactly in a bad way, more like in a lateral way. He got tougher and improved in things like boxing out, rebounding, playing bully ball, but a lot of what made so many high on him in his rookie year aren't there anymore.

I can't help but think back to Bargnani. Before coming to the NBA he was a bad defender and rebounder, but I can't find anything on him regarding him being lazy. A lot of comments I could dig up suggested otherwise, just that he was inexperienced at the time with room to grow defensively and as a rebounder. Take this from draftexpress for example:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Andrea-Bargnani-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2781/

Andrea is very active on defense, being more effective than what someone would expect against European small forwards thanks to his quick feet. He tries to do his best against big men too, the kind of players he will likely be matched against in his future career. While it's not easy to imagine him guarding small forwards full time in the NBA, his versatility won't expose his team defensively in cases of rotations and switches on pick and rolls.


later on that article:

The biggest question mark about a player like Andrea, and in important factor in deciding how likely he is to accomplish his vast potential, is his character. While there have been only positive comments about him during the past year by his coach, teammates and the organization, nobody can foresee how a young player will react to the rigors and the pressure of a season spent on a NBA bench, that will probably be the difference between a successful career or years of frustration.


from nbadraft:

On the defensive side, he has good fundamentals and likes to block shots and has excellent timing. He's also a hard worker and coachable.


Emotional player, he needs more experience in order to gain more confidence.
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Re: EuroBasket 2017 (LTU friendlies August 4-25) 

Post#440 » by nimbushield » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:27 pm

Anybody wants to share their predictions for the tournament? Mine are: 1. Spain 2. Serbia 3. Greece/Lithuania

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