Time to cash in on the player Investments?

[North_of_Border]

Raptors have a lot of young budding talent that is just coming into form. However they can’t afford to sign them all all long term with what the main core is getting paid. They are great depth but eventually will be a luxury we can’t afford. Example Delon-FVV, we can’t afford two backup point guards on big deals which will happen soon. Or Poetle-Bebe, we can’t afford to keep or play both with JV and Ibaka ready to start at centre. Siakam could be a sell high candidate and Bruno a possible salvageable asset. Powell a very valuable trade chip.

So what to do?

I think we gotta do what Boston did. You gather all the assets you can but cash in before it’s too late. Package them for an impact talent in return.

Unfortunately there is no impact talent available rite now. Gasol and Jordan are not the type of talent I go after by sacrificing the young core. But like Boston, you keep your eyes open, wait for someone to be available, and then jump at the chance. Maybe even over pay little, but get the big name. Today’s NBA thrives on big time players. It’s rare to have Joe Dumars pistons type of depth success now. You need the difference makers.

Wait for a chance and be willing to deal Anyone to get it done. Expect Lowry-DeRozan ofcourse. That’s your core. The guy I would hesitate is OG, but if the return is significant, you don’t worry about a prospect’s potential versus a proven star talent.

[Lateral Quicks]

Pretty much a non-issue IMO. Bebe, FVV and Bruno are the only expirings this off-season, and only one of those (FVV) is a significant contributor right now. They'll find a way to bring him back if they want to - PG is a stacked position, and even with his good play FVV won't command too much in free agency.

Wright is under contract next year, and Siakam and Poeltl for the next two years. When Siakam and Poeltl are eligible for extensions, Lowry, Ibaka, JV, and Miles will be off-contract. Our current salary commitments in 2020/2021 are just $38M - basically the last year of DD's contract and Powell. There will be plenty of money to extend Poeltl/Siakam/Anunoby if they're deserving. They're the next core of the team - would be a bad move to sell on them IMO.

I agree though that Bebe and possible one of Wright/FVV are expendable. I'm not sure what that gets you - probably not a whole lot - but it's worth exploring.

[North_of_Border]

Pretty much a non-issue IMO. Bebe, FVV and Bruno are the only expirings this off-season, and only one of those (FVV) is a significant contributor right now. They'll find a way to bring him back if they want to - PG is a stacked position, and even with his good play FVV won't command too much in free agency.

Wright is under contract next year, and Siakam and Poeltl for the next two years. When Siakam and Poeltl are eligible for extensions, Lowry, Ibaka, JV, and Miles will be off-contract. Our current salary commitments in 2020/2021 are just $38M - basically the last year of DD's contract and Powell. There will be plenty of money to extend Poeltl/Siakam/Anunoby if they're deserving. They're the next core of the team - would be a bad move to sell on them IMO.

I agree though that Bebe and possible one of Wright/FVV are expendable. I'm not sure what that gets you - probably not a whole lot - but it's worth exploring.

The Suns missed out on Kyrie Irving because they didn’t want to deal Josh Jackson, based on potential. Kyrie is a superstar, and chances of Jackson becoming anything similar are slim. Suns bet on potential and likely already regret it.

BC didn’t do the James Harden trade because he bet on Valanciunas potential.

All I’m saying is, don’t get too fixed on young talent because of potential. If Raps had a chance at a proven star, you trade A package of any combination of OG “and” Powel “and” Poetle “and” Siakam if it calls for. Anyone.

[Potential]

The Clippers would get a steal if we give them Delon for DeAndre

[North_of_Border]

The Clippers would get a steal if we give them Delon for DeAndre

lol, if you can get Jordan for Delon alone, you do it 10 out of 10 times. No hesitation.

But it will cost much more. Jordan and Gasol are not the type of stars we should trade the future for, agree. DeAndre does not fit here and also happens to be a FA soon. Will be a rental unless we way way overpay to keep him.

Stay away from that trash.

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All I’m saying is, don’t get too fixed on young talent because of potential. If Raps had a chance at a proven star, you trade A package of any combination of OG “and” Powel “and” Poetle “and” Siakam if it calls for. Anyone.

If/when that opportunity presents itself, it's a good discussion to have. But who is that star? And who is worthy and fits our needs? Some fans here would have included young assets in a deal to get Carmelo Anthony. Melo is playing terribly with RW and PG. I don't' think he's done, but he's probably not the best fit for Westbrook, who probably needs a speedy wing to complement him best. Victor Oladipo would have been the ideal keeper the way he is playing this year. And they traded him away to get Paul George.

I doubt Masai is refusing to take calls about his young players. The media has reported that there were calls about Delon Wright last summer that Masai rebuffed. As for FVV, as an undersized college senior PG who will be 25 by the middle of next season, I don't see him making any more than the mid-level exception, and probably less (I'm thinking $6-7m). He's not going to be John Stockton, unlikely to even become a starter, and if Wright continues to improve losing Fred wouldn't be a catastrophe. With Wright, who could sign an extension next summer for 2019-2020, with his shoulder situation, he's a good bet to give a discount to get some financial security. He's another candidate to get less than Norman Powell. And as others have noted, extensions for OG, Poeltl and Siakim are far enough down the timeline not to worry about.

[RaptorsLife]

Pretty much a non-issue IMO. Bebe, FVV and Bruno are the only expirings this off-season, and only one of those (FVV) is a significant contributor right now. They'll find a way to bring him back if they want to - PG is a stacked position, and even with his good play FVV won't command too much in free agency.

Wright is under contract next year, and Siakam and Poeltl for the next two years. When Siakam and Poeltl are eligible for extensions, Lowry, Ibaka, JV, and Miles will be off-contract. Our current salary commitments in 2020/2021 are just $38M - basically the last year of DD's contract and Powell. There will be plenty of money to extend Poeltl/Siakam/Anunoby if they're deserving. They're the next core of the team - would be a bad move to sell on them IMO.

I agree though that Bebe and possible one of Wright/FVV are expendable. I'm not sure what that gets you - probably not a whole lot - but it's worth exploring.

The Suns missed out on Kyrie Irving because they didn’t want to deal Josh Jackson, based on potential. Kyrie is a superstar, and chances of Jackson becoming anything similar are slim. Suns bet on potential and likely already regret it.

BC didn’t do the James Harden trade because he bet on Valanciunas potential.

All I’m saying is, don’t get too fixed on young talent because of potential. If Raps had a chance at a proven star, you trade A package of any combination of OG “and” Powel “and” Poetle “and” Siakam if it calls for. Anyone.

If there's a player with James harden talent available than do it. Deandre Jordan or Marc gasol aren't those players

[Anticon]

Pretty much a non-issue IMO. Bebe, FVV and Bruno are the only expirings this off-season, and only one of those (FVV) is a significant contributor right now. They'll find a way to bring him back if they want to - PG is a stacked position, and even with his good play FVV won't command too much in free agency.

Wright is under contract next year, and Siakam and Poeltl for the next two years. When Siakam and Poeltl are eligible for extensions, Lowry, Ibaka, JV, and Miles will be off-contract. Our current salary commitments in 2020/2021 are just $38M - basically the last year of DD's contract and Powell. There will be plenty of money to extend Poeltl/Siakam/Anunoby if they're deserving. They're the next core of the team - would be a bad move to sell on them IMO.

I agree though that Bebe and possible one of Wright/FVV are expendable. I'm not sure what that gets you - probably not a whole lot - but it's worth exploring.

The Suns missed out on Kyrie Irving because they didn’t want to deal Josh Jackson, based on potential. Kyrie is a superstar, and chances of Jackson becoming anything similar are slim. Suns bet on potential and likely already regret it.

BC didn’t do the James Harden trade because he bet on Valanciunas potential.

All I’m saying is, don’t get too fixed on young talent because of potential. If Raps had a chance at a proven star, you trade A package of any combination of OG “and” Powel “and” Poetle “and” Siakam if it calls for. Anyone.

The issue really is whether any trade makes you better enough in the short term that the long term loss makes sense.

For the Suns, it wasn’t worth giving up Josh Jackson because Kyrie wouldn’t have made them good enough in the short term to convince him to stay once he hit free agency. Maybe he could have been used to attract more free agents or trade on their youth, but one would hope the Suns made an assessment on potential targets and found it was better to stick with their current roster.

I think with the Raptors you would need someone really compelling, not a veteran like Gasol, to make that choice. Is a conference finals spot or winning a few extra games but still falling short in the ECSF worth giving guys that will be solid rotation players in a few years? Unless it’s a really foundational piece that’ll shift the dial significantly, I think you stick with what we have.

That being said, I think once our big contracts are entering expiring status, the options will start to become a little clearer. Pairing one or two young pieces plus a big expiring and a pick is the most obvious route to transition to the post Lowry era, IMO.

[Lateral Quicks]

Pretty much a non-issue IMO. Bebe, FVV and Bruno are the only expirings this off-season, and only one of those (FVV) is a significant contributor right now. They'll find a way to bring him back if they want to - PG is a stacked position, and even with his good play FVV won't command too much in free agency.

Wright is under contract next year, and Siakam and Poeltl for the next two years. When Siakam and Poeltl are eligible for extensions, Lowry, Ibaka, JV, and Miles will be off-contract. Our current salary commitments in 2020/2021 are just $38M - basically the last year of DD's contract and Powell. There will be plenty of money to extend Poeltl/Siakam/Anunoby if they're deserving. They're the next core of the team - would be a bad move to sell on them IMO.

I agree though that Bebe and possible one of Wright/FVV are expendable. I'm not sure what that gets you - probably not a whole lot - but it's worth exploring.

The Suns missed out on Kyrie Irving because they didn’t want to deal Josh Jackson, based on potential. Kyrie is a superstar, and chances of Jackson becoming anything similar are slim. Suns bet on potential and likely already regret it.

BC didn’t do the James Harden trade because he bet on Valanciunas potential.

All I’m saying is, don’t get too fixed on young talent because of potential. If Raps had a chance at a proven star, you trade A package of any combination of OG “and” Powel “and” Poetle “and” Siakam if it calls for. Anyone.

That's a good point. I was addressing your concern that there won't be enough money to extend these guys - there will be. If the right player comes along, of course you have to look at trading some of young guys.

[dukes_wild]

They have to. Depth only gets you so far (Regular season success), at the end of the day, your starting talent is what will determine your playoff success.

We have to find a way to parlay our young depth into a legit upgrade at Center. It's our only chance

[Basketball_Jones]

I say stay the course. Go the Pistons route with multiple low end stars. We have that currently, but with two high end stars leading the way.

[YogurtProducer]

They have to. Depth only gets you so far (Regular season success), at the end of the day, your starting talent is what will determine your playoff success.

We have to find a way to parlay our young depth into a legit upgrade at Center. It's our only chance

Why for a C? Ibaka/Poeltl are fine C’s. We need to grab a 3/4 player more than anything. Lowry/Demar/OG/Ibaka is a good base, we just need that 5th guy. Demar sucks on D anywhere so I suppose we could pick up anything other than a C to make us a better team.

[Johnny Bball]

Boston didn’t really do that. They let half of it walk.

Do you really expect a package of Bruno Bebe and FVV is going to bring back some large talent? Nah, just let them play it out if there’s nothing good available.

If there is someone that I think might be cheap to get and might fit well would be Andre Roberson. Not sure if okc sees it that way though.

[YogurtProducer]

FVV might be fairly key to moving JV. Instead of attaching a pick we can attach FVV and Bebe onto him to move him. Maybe someone bites

[North_of_Border]

FVV might be fairly key to moving JV. Instead of attaching a pick we can attach FVV and Bebe onto him to move him. Maybe someone bites

I’m listening.... that interesting.

FVV is great but his ceiling is what he is now. He is appealing, but we’re Joseph and Vasquez at one point. I see the resembles here. FVV can be replaced.
We already have a guy to take over, with a higher ceiling too.

But I see teams wanting Wright. Not FVV. For that same reason

[The_Hater]

The Clippers would get a steal if we give them Delon for DeAndre

Say what?

[RaptorsNorth]

Bro the scrubzilians are gone this offseason along with JV and maybe even fred anyways.

[HeadtopChunes]

It's a good thing they are looking good can be moved in the place of picks. Namely FVV/Bebe. Might be able to net us someone worth trading for. Gasol is the guy I want but the situation looks murky.

Poeltl and OG are definitely our best trade chips. Poeltl being more expendable if we decide to move him for a C (such as Gasol) since Backup centres are a dime a dozen these days.

[PhilBlackson]

OG is the only untouchable imo unless you're talking about a legit SUPERSTAR that's locked in and not old. Because I think he can be a part of a championship type of core with development.

All the other young guys are just solid rotation pieces so I'd have no problem moving any of them.

[sule]

FVV might be fairly key to moving JV. Instead of attaching a pick we can attach FVV and Bebe onto him to move him. Maybe someone bites

I’m listening.... that interesting.

FVV is great but his ceiling is what he is now. He is appealing, but we’re Joseph and Vasquez at one point. I see the resembles here. FVV can be replaced.
We already have a guy to take over, with a higher ceiling too.

But I see teams wanting Wright. Not FVV. For that same reason

I think Wright might actually be the better option in a trade, just b/c he'll likely get more once his contract is up, is older than Van Vleet by 2 years, and doesn't have a fairly reliable 3-point shot, plus Wright has an injury history that would make reliance on him difficult.

Van Vleet would fit better with the 3-year timeline for Lowry/Demar/Ibaka.

I'd wonder if the Spurs would be interested in a Wright for Kyle Anderson type trade. With Parker and Ginobili on their very last legs, and both possibilities for retirement after this season, Wright could end up being a decent stop-gap for them until they find a new PG (unless they can develop Wright's shot). But Wright and Kawhi would be a long, long pairing defensively when on the floor together, and might be intriguing enough to entice them to move back a guy like Anderson.