Raps in 4 wrote:lobosloboslobos wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
Ronaldo easily.
More Champions League titles and more international trophies.
The only thing Messi has him beat in is more league titles. But that just means his team finished first place more than Ronaldo's. it's a no-pressure accolade. When it comes to tournaments (Champions League and international competition), Ronaldo is the superior player. Messi is only the better regular season player.
Messi couldn't even win a single Copa America (a much weaker competition than the Euros and with a MUCH better team than Ronaldo).
Soccer fans value league titles way too much. If the NBA was soccer, they would tell you that Derozan was better than Lebron this year because his team finished first in the regular season.
I think
you value titles in general way too much. your whole analysis above of who is the better player is a list of who has won more titles. Both ronaldo and messi have played on stacked teams their whole lives be it at the club or national level, and to reduce the comparison to who has won more titles in an 11 on 11 game seems silly. i have no problem with someone arguing that ronaldo is better than messi, even though i disagree, but for you to argue that it ronaldo is 'easily' better than messi shows either bias or ignorance.
fyi a great article here in 538 today on Messi's unique approach to the game:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/messi-walks-better-than-most-players-run/
Portugal's quality has never even come close to Argentina's.
Even at the club level, yes Madrid is always stacked, but Messi played with **** Neymar and Suarez. That's GSW levels of stacked.
Ronaldo has simply done more with less.
Well, a matter of opinion but I disagree. Ronaldo plays with probably the richest and most dominant club team of his generation alongside many other superstars. Before that he played for Manchester United. And as for his national team, Ronaldo came up at the tail end of what is considered Portugal's 'golden generation' and made it to the semi-finals with them in 2006 when he was only 21. To say he has never played alongside great players is ridiculous. Again, you can certainly make a solid case that you think Ronaldo is better than Messi but not by arguing that he never played with great players. His teammates have included many legends at the top of their games. As have Messi's.
If you are a fan of the game you know as well as I do that you are in the minority in your opinion. Those who argue Messi is GOAT don't argue it on the basis of his team success but on the basis of his ability to do things on the field that nobody has else has ever been able to do. Ronaldo is truly great but many of his peers feel Messi is unique.
