2014-2018 Raptors most disappointing 4 year stretch in playoff history
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There’s a difference between our current roster and Bargnani era. We have a ton of young talent to develop and get better plus a few allstars that should net us some more young talent. We don’t have Aaron gray, Gary Forbes, Allan Anderson, rascal butler, Anthony carter, linas Kleiza, magloire, alabi etc taking up half the roster. Colangelo deserved to be taken out back and shot for that embarrassment of a team.
Going into a rebuild now would leave us in a way better situation then where this current team developed from.
Going into a rebuild now would leave us in a way better situation then where this current team developed from.
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So explain how losing to the Cavs is the "2nd greatest playoff upset of all time" if the data shows this is the worst playoff team of all time?
Raptorstopfan wrote:Demar is inarguably the best jump shooter NBA has seen in a long long time.
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Masai best do something with the roster.
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The sad excuse of a coach wasn't able to change the playoff woes after 4 years.
Meanwhile Demar struggles against playoff defense/pressure, resorting to iso-ball and costing the team defensive breakdowns. Lowry's been pretty bad overall in the last 4 years too.
Even if Lebron leaves Demar+Kyle simply isn't enough to compete in the East
Meanwhile Demar struggles against playoff defense/pressure, resorting to iso-ball and costing the team defensive breakdowns. Lowry's been pretty bad overall in the last 4 years too.
Even if Lebron leaves Demar+Kyle simply isn't enough to compete in the East
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RaptorsLife wrote:Send this to Masai
Yeah, he’s probably unaware... he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that knows the basics of his job.
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TheBoi10 wrote:Casey and DeRozan are frauds
I want to throw up every time I read these lame comments.
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Masai's burner account, PLEASE DON'T READ MUCH INTO THIS. ECF, 2nd round, 2nd round, those are very good results and will only get better.
2019 Eastern Conference All Stars
Derozan
Lowry
Ibaka
Valanciunas
Van Vleet
Delon Wright
Lebron
Embiid
There are only 2 teams in the league that rank in the top 6 in offensive and defensive efficiency: the Golden State Warriors and the Toronto Raptors.
Derozan
Lowry
Ibaka
Valanciunas
Van Vleet
Delon Wright
Lebron
Embiid
There are only 2 teams in the league that rank in the top 6 in offensive and defensive efficiency: the Golden State Warriors and the Toronto Raptors.
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Thats what I've been saying on this site for weeks now and people want to still call this joke of a franchise a "good team". If you can't produce when it counts the most then that 59 wins is useless. Absolutely worthless.
Getting embarrassed by the Cavs losing 4 straight when you're the number one seed while other inferior teams take them to the brink is unacceptable. Nobody can refute that point.
It's a garbage team that consistently disappoints when the lights shine the brightest.
Getting embarrassed by the Cavs losing 4 straight when you're the number one seed while other inferior teams take them to the brink is unacceptable. Nobody can refute that point.
It's a garbage team that consistently disappoints when the lights shine the brightest.
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kj_ wrote:TheBoi10 wrote:Casey and DeRozan are frauds
I want to throw up every time I read these lame comments.
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Raps in 4 wrote:joshgc wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
Now we get to be bad on national TV. I'd argue these playoff failures have done more to ruin our reputation than the Bargnani years. At least no one knew what we were up to back then.
You’re on nba reddit too much. The league does not care for the raptors, even when we tanked we still ended up with 7,8, or 9 picks. What, we won the lottery once in our franchise, during a weak draft? **** that dude, id rather just not tank because even when we do that we still suck at it. I’d rather watch ball in spring than be fiddling my fingers and being disappointed by a closed door lottery where most likely the raptors will get ****.
A good GM shouldn't suck at drafting. Drafting is pretty much the only thing Masai is good at, so it would be a waste not tanking while he's at the helm.
Why do you keep repeating this bruh? You're starting to sound like the GOP down south.
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What is amazing to me is that the raptors should have had this graphic as they have access to all the analytics in the world.
2015, 2017 were grounds to start a rebuild but now we are **** in terms of salary space. Also I don’t blame masai, mlse probably had something to do with keeping this trash together
2015, 2017 were grounds to start a rebuild but now we are **** in terms of salary space. Also I don’t blame masai, mlse probably had something to do with keeping this trash together
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Big Mac Biyombo wrote:So explain how losing to the Cavs is the "2nd greatest playoff upset of all time" if the data shows this is the worst playoff team of all time?
By the numbers it was an upset. That doesn’t take away from the fact that we’ve underperformed in basically every playoff series we’ve been in the last 4 years.
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VC720 wrote:Big Mac Biyombo wrote:So explain how losing to the Cavs is the "2nd greatest playoff upset of all time" if the data shows this is the worst playoff team of all time?
By the numbers it was an upset. That doesn’t take away from the fact that we’ve underperformed in basically every playoff series we’ve been in the last 4 years.
Here's the only number that matters when analyzing that series: 23.
He plays for the Cavs. Therefore it was nowhere close to an upset which is why the majority of analysts were picking the Cavs to win.
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Most of the teams listed in this chart lost to the greatest teams of all time
Milwuakee: Celtics with Bird, Hawks with Nique, Bad Boys Pistons
Portland: Lakers with Magic, Bad boys pistons, Jordan's bulls
Miami: Bulls w Jordan, and Knicks with Ewing
Denver: Lakers w Magic
Clevland: Bulls x2 Knicks with Ewing x2
And we lost to Lebron 3 times (more than any one of those teams had to face a single great team). More like makes us the most unlucky title contending team of all time.
Milwuakee: Celtics with Bird, Hawks with Nique, Bad Boys Pistons
Portland: Lakers with Magic, Bad boys pistons, Jordan's bulls
Miami: Bulls w Jordan, and Knicks with Ewing
Denver: Lakers w Magic
Clevland: Bulls x2 Knicks with Ewing x2
And we lost to Lebron 3 times (more than any one of those teams had to face a single great team). More like makes us the most unlucky title contending team of all time.
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To me that a coaching issue and if we were coached better we'd at least have beaten the teams we were supposed to beat easier. Like this year against the wizards at least. We were put into a good system way too late.
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Oh and for maybe the last time ever...Casey'd.
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DreamTeam09 wrote:How does Demar get **** on and Lowry is okay? lol that’s wild. I like them both, at this point tho I don’t see how one has less culpability here than the other. Lowry scored 4 points in game 4.
Lowry had a great playoffs this year. Demar has never been good. They've both been terrible in years past, but not this year.
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Kevin Willis wrote:1. That is why Casy was fired
2. Take out Cleveland and we are much, much better
3. Who set the expected for these series? +7 on Washington. +4.5 on Brooklyn. +7 on Cleveland???
4. I am glad we won 4 series.
Expected = regular season point differential. The Cavs beating the Raptors this year was the second biggest upset in NBA history according to SRS/point differential.
And we are still -13.3 against teams without Lebron.
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Yup the regular seasons have been enjoyable but every single playoff appearance since the Nets series has been a disappointment.
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Big Mac Biyombo wrote:VC720 wrote:Big Mac Biyombo wrote:So explain how losing to the Cavs is the "2nd greatest playoff upset of all time" if the data shows this is the worst playoff team of all time?
By the numbers it was an upset. That doesn’t take away from the fact that we’ve underperformed in basically every playoff series we’ve been in the last 4 years.
Here's the only number that matters when analyzing that series: 23.
He plays for the Cavs. Therefore it was nowhere close to an upset which is why the majority of analysts were picking the Cavs to win.
The thread that was initially created talking about it being an upset. Clarified that by the NUMBERS it was one of the biggest upsets.
I can't dig up that thread but one of the examples was both teams' offensive and defensive ranking, and net rating.
We have the biggest point differential +7 (normally that means elite).
Of course most of us don't just go off by numbers because of the Lebron factor. And for some reason whenever in the playoffs the Raptors become a poor defensive team.