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Rhythm043 wrote:Still don't get how Kawai is a "superstar". Is it because he won a championship with that very good team. He only averaged like 15 per game the year they won. He's a great player ok but superstar? If this guy can't get us any further than DeMar I hope this superstar label is dropped. They basically dropped DeMar for nothing if this guy plays one year and bolts.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Rhythm043 wrote:This trade was dumb by the raptors it’s a one year rental and you traded the most loyal player you’re going to get to try to get through the east to just come up against the warriors in the finals. This is just ridiculous. Will never see a guy like DeMar in this city again.
Boogie! wrote:Rhythm043 wrote:Still don't get how Kawai is a "superstar". Is it because he won a championship with that very good team. He only averaged like 15 per game the year they won. He's a great player ok but superstar? If this guy can't get us any further than DeMar I hope this superstar label is dropped. They basically dropped DeMar for nothing if this guy plays one year and bolts.
Do me a favor go to basketball reference look up kawhi playoff numbers then look at demars.
You think an agent will tell his client anything other than to look out for himself? Even when players take a paycut....its so the team can sign better talent.The Boy wrote:Sports agents/agencies are making a note of this. You can guarantee that.maternal85 wrote:The Boy wrote:Raptors needed to handle shipping Demar out with kid gloves and they blew it.
No star will stay here past their second contract ever again..if we get so lucky.
Relax, it's not that serious. The same way Lebron would never return to the cavs after the owner bashed him and his family ? Raptor fans are drama queens I swear. At least lets hear the organization side of the story. Maybe they're typing a thank you letter as we speak.
Rhythm043 wrote:Boogie! wrote:Rhythm043 wrote:Still don't get how Kawai is a "superstar". Is it because he won a championship with that very good team. He only averaged like 15 per game the year they won. He's a great player ok but superstar? If this guy can't get us any further than DeMar I hope this superstar label is dropped. They basically dropped DeMar for nothing if this guy plays one year and bolts.
Do me a favor go to basketball reference look up kawhi playoff numbers then look at demars.
Let's see what happens this season then bro and revisit. Hopefully you are right
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Boogie! wrote:Rhythm043 wrote:Boogie! wrote:
Do me a favor go to basketball reference look up kawhi playoff numbers then look at demars.
Let's see what happens this season then bro and revisit. Hopefully you are right
Kawhi has stepped up his performance in the playoffs literally every season compared to that respective regular season... It's a consistent pattern... Wtf an I hoping for? It's not like he's **** up and down... Go look at his **** numbers again... If u dort think he's a significant upgrade over DeMar you should go joint he spurs board a nd root for your boy over there.
VinBaker6 wrote:XxIronChainzxX wrote:VinBaker6 wrote:How on Earth are you guys killing DeMar for being in his feelings? The Raptors have him everything, he didn't ask for it. They made him the number 1 option when he wasn't worthy, again he never asked for that. He got comfortable with that. It's human man.
Why do Raptor fans always gotta kill guys who leave? WE GOT KAWHI **** LEONARD, WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING IN THE STREETS.
Yet y'all wanna spend your time dumping on DeMar. Raptor fans confuse me man.
Cause these players **** on the franchise when they do it. Carroll did it. Bosh did it. DD is doing it.
LMAOOOOOO what did DeMar say that's even remotely comparable to those guys? That there's no loyalty? That's just a fact lol
XxIronChainzxX wrote:VinBaker6 wrote:XxIronChainzxX wrote:
Cause these players **** on the franchise when they do it. Carroll did it. Bosh did it. DD is doing it.
LMAOOOOOO what did DeMar say that's even remotely comparable to those guys? That there's no loyalty? That's just a fact lol
It's not. The franchise was irrationally loyal to DeMar, and treated him as the best player on this team since they had traded Gay even though he was never on that level (and for the first two or so years was just bad).
Chandan wrote:Joker wrote:It always rubbed me the wrong way that Demar hoped/expected/assumed he'd play out his whole (15+ season?) career here. A little delusional, presumptuous on his part.
Having a 15+ year career with one franchise only is reserved for the HOF'ers. And Udonis Haslem. But I don't think Demar's cool with taking Udonis's minutes/role/salary.
To think that a franchise would keep you for your whole career, you better be on the level of Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or John Stockton. To a lesser degree, Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili, but Miller is still a HOF'er and playoff legend, and Manu won 4 titles and is certainly going to the HOF. Is Demar seriously putting himself in that class of player??
I share a similar sentiment. I personally don't fault him for having aspiration to be a legend, even given his natural talent, it's his right to wanting to be a all time great. After all, Rome wasn't built in one day.
However, the thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that from day one the rhetoric has always been: He can become the greatest player of a franchise because he plays in Toronto. It's like seizing an empty throne.
There is no simplier path to becoming a great because the recipe was already set: just play his entire career north of the border and say all the right things and he will be Maple Jordan.
Even now, most of the praise we get from the appreciation thread is that he is classy, he is a nice guy, he embraced the city, he was loyal... Seldom you will hear how great he played for us and what a great player he was.
Boogie! wrote:Rhythm043 wrote:Still don't get how Kawai is a "superstar". Is it because he won a championship with that very good team. He only averaged like 15 per game the year they won. He's a great player ok but superstar? If this guy can't get us any further than DeMar I hope this superstar label is dropped. They basically dropped DeMar for nothing if this guy plays one year and bolts.
Do me a favor go to basketball reference look up kawhi playoff numbers then look at demars.
VinBaker6 wrote:XxIronChainzxX wrote:VinBaker6 wrote:
LMAOOOOOO what did DeMar say that's even remotely comparable to those guys? That there's no loyalty? That's just a fact lol
It's not. The franchise was irrationally loyal to DeMar, and treated him as the best player on this team since they had traded Gay even though he was never on that level (and for the first two or so years was just bad).
Again, he didn't ask for any of that!
Raptor fans just can't let go even when they get a vastly superior player in return.
Chandan wrote:
However, the thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that from day one the rhetoric has always been: He can become the greatest player of a franchise because he plays in Toronto. It's like seizing an empty throne.
There is no simplier path to becoming a great because the recipe was already set: just play his entire career north of the border and say all the right things and he will be Maple Jordan.
JD225 wrote:. Teams don't trade the face of their franchise for a one year rental. It looks bad, but when you have very little positive net impact on your team every year you've been in the league... you (or at least the more observant fans) should expect no loyalty. Time to move on.
