Over the top branding

[Dennis 37]

People will complain about anything lol

I have a problem with this post.

[Dennis 37]

How is it inappropriate for post game pressers? I guess the commercials during half time and timeouts are inappropriate too. What about all the branding in the arena? So inappropriate! Gatorade has been placing their bottles on post game press conference tables for years but god forbid a player who actually has to sit up there take the opportunity to brand his own product. So inappropriate!

Oh please. This isn`t about advertising in general.

The point is, they are at work.. representing the team. The team that cut`s their multi-million dollar salaries.

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

In previous discussions I have concluded that there are two types of people; the first has no objection to any amount of commercialization, the second pushes back at any new encroachment on the game. If it weren't for the people who push back, the NBA would eventually look like NASCAR, and I would no longer be watching. This is why it is important not to calmly accept new advertising strategies.

People will say the NBA is a long way from NASCAR, and I agree, but how does one define the line? I don't really care who is the financial beneficiary of an ad, I care that it does not distract from the event. To me Pascal's toiletry bag is over the line. When they wear their hat so low you can't see their eyes, but you can see the logo, it's over the line.

[6ixSideSniper]

I don't know, I kind of applaud any small player that tries to go down the entrepreneurial route - and any team that supports it. You hear a lot about how often players go bankrupt shortly after leaving the league, so it's nice to see some of these guys trying to be a little more business-minded.

But yeah, some of these logos need some serious work. Can't find anything on it now, but I thought I had read somewhere that Siakam's logo was designed by his brother - could be way off on that though. I don't think his looks that bad, it actually looked pretty clean on that dark green shirt, imo.

edit: just want to add that I think New Balance's 'KL2' logo is actually worse than a lot of these.

I remember reading a poster on here mentioned that it was Siakams girlfriend that designed it but I never fact checked it.

[Lucky 24]

Oh please. This isn`t about advertising in general.

The point is, they are at work.. representing the team. The team that cut`s their multi-million dollar salaries.

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

In previous discussions I have concluded that there are two types of people; the first has no objection to any amount of commercialization, the second pushes back at any new encroachment on the game. If it weren't for the people who push back, the NBA would eventually look like NASCAR, and I would no longer be watching. This is why it is important not to calmly accept new advertising strategies.

People will say the NBA is a long way from NASCAR, and I agree, but how does one define the line? I don't really care who is the financial beneficiary of an ad, I care that it does not distract from the event. To me Pascal's toiletry bag is over the line. When they wear their hat so low you can't see their eyes, but you can see the logo, it's over the line.

100% agreed. There's a line to be drawn with commercialism. For example, ever notice when driving in the US on the interstates how many billboards there are, whereas driving on the 401 between Toronto and Detroit you barely see any? It's because there are strict zoning around billboard advertising. Same goes with public space in the city of Toronto. Point being, the public doesn't want to see ads everywhere and I don't think a presser should degenerate into an ad by having toiletry bags propped up on a table...it's very amateur IMO. But by all means, I hope these guys are successful with marketing their personal brands and earning that extra dough but follow Kawhi's lead and don't throw it in our faces so blatantly.

[Dennis 37]

I don't know, I kind of applaud any small player that tries to go down the entrepreneurial route - and any team that supports it. You hear a lot about how often players go bankrupt shortly after leaving the league, so it's nice to see some of these guys trying to be a little more business-minded.

But yeah, some of these logos need some serious work. Can't find anything on it now, but I thought I had read somewhere that Siakam's logo was designed by his brother - could be way off on that though. I don't think his looks that bad, it actually looked pretty clean on that dark green shirt, imo.

edit: just want to add that I think New Balance's 'KL2' logo is actually worse than a lot of these.

I remember reading a poster on here mentioned that it was Siakams girlfriend that designed it but I never fact checked it.

Memories of the Seinfeld puffy shirt episode.

[MavCarter]

Oh please. This isn`t about advertising in general.

The point is, they are at work.. representing the team. The team that cut`s their multi-million dollar salaries.

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

In previous discussions I have concluded that there are two types of people; the first has no objection to any amount of commercialization, the second pushes back at any new encroachment on the game. If it weren't for the people who push back, the NBA would eventually look like NASCAR, and I would no longer be watching. This is why it is important not to calmly accept new advertising strategies.

People will say the NBA is a long way from NASCAR, and I agree, but how does one define the line? I don't really care who is the financial beneficiary of an ad, I care that it does not distract from the event. To me Pascal's toiletry bag is over the line. When they wear their hat so low you can't see their eyes, but you can see the logo, it's over the line.

You do know this is a post game press conference right? If they were branding themselves like this during a game youd have a point. Either way the league doesn't care about fans feelings when it comes to advertising and branding (patches on jerseys got huge push backs but they still went ahead with it) so neither should players

[MavCarter]

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

In previous discussions I have concluded that there are two types of people; the first has no objection to any amount of commercialization, the second pushes back at any new encroachment on the game. If it weren't for the people who push back, the NBA would eventually look like NASCAR, and I would no longer be watching. This is why it is important not to calmly accept new advertising strategies.

People will say the NBA is a long way from NASCAR, and I agree, but how does one define the line? I don't really care who is the financial beneficiary of an ad, I care that it does not distract from the event. To me Pascal's toiletry bag is over the line. When they wear their hat so low you can't see their eyes, but you can see the logo, it's over the line.

100% agreed. There's a line to be drawn with commercialism. For example, ever notice when driving in the US on the interstates how many billboards there are, whereas driving on the 401 between Toronto and Detroit you barely see any? It's because there are strict zoning around billboard advertising. Same goes with public space in the city of Toronto. Point being, the public doesn't want to see ads everywhere and I don't think a presser should degenerate into an ad by having toiletry bags propped up on a table...it's very amateur IMO. But by all means, I hope these guys are successful with marketing their personal brands and earning that extra dough but follow Kawhi's lead and don't throw it in our faces so blatantly.

"Throw it in our face blatantly". ROFL you're acting like it physically hurts your eyes watching press conferences with players wearing their logo. How is it any different than a player wearing nike shirts/hats, carrying louis vuitton bags etc while always conveniently having a gatorade in front of them? Or is it just because theyre trying to make their own money instead of pushing a corps brand?

[NBJ13]

They run camps and do things in the offseason, why not brand and market yourself. Nobodys do it on YouTube and make a name for themselves.

[Dennis 37]

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

In previous discussions I have concluded that there are two types of people; the first has no objection to any amount of commercialization, the second pushes back at any new encroachment on the game. If it weren't for the people who push back, the NBA would eventually look like NASCAR, and I would no longer be watching. This is why it is important not to calmly accept new advertising strategies.

People will say the NBA is a long way from NASCAR, and I agree, but how does one define the line? I don't really care who is the financial beneficiary of an ad, I care that it does not distract from the event. To me Pascal's toiletry bag is over the line. When they wear their hat so low you can't see their eyes, but you can see the logo, it's over the line.

You do know this is a post game press conference right? If they were branding themselves like this during a game youd have a point. Either way the league doesn't care about fans feelings when it comes to advertising and branding (patches on jerseys got huge push backs but they still went ahead with it) so neither should players

I didn't argue that the league does or would care. I was just stating fact. There is an advertising tolerance threshold that is different for everyone, but does exist. At some point between today's level of ad interference with the game event, and NASCAR, I will stop watching. There will probably be enough younger people, who have been conditioned to accept unlimited branding, that the league won't care to see me go. Even still, I believe the new fans will have missed out on experiencing the game when we could still pretend it was about the athletic competition, and not just maximizing revenue for people who already make enough money.

[Dennis 37]

They run camps and do things in the offseason, why not brand and market yourself. Nobodys do it on YouTube and make a name for themselves.

Because the fanbase, from whom you make a considerable income via you salary which is being paid by ticket sales and cable/streaming service fees, is the same audience watching the presser.

The nobodies on YouTube often have minimal other income.

[Boogie!]

I have mixed feelings about this. I don't mind starting your own brand, I just thinks it's weird when the logo is your name. It just makes it really egotistical. Like if you started your own brand, but it was called "real hustlers" (corny i know, I was just trying to come up eitu something generic) and the designs were a esthetically pleasing and you wanted to wear t he cshirts to post game pressers, I wouldn't have a problem with it. As long as it's universally appealing and represents an ideal bigger than yourself or has some sort of cultural representstion or statement it's cool. It's just weird seeing Norman Powell wearinf Norman Powell shirts. We know who you are...

[nju]

That's not Lowry's brand. Its Compound hat. KD wears it too.

[billy_hoyle]

[quote="MavCarter"][quote="batman54"][quote="MavCarter"]

How is it inappropriate for post game pressers? I guess the commercials during half time and timeouts are inappropriate too. What about all the branding in the arena? So inappropriate! Gatorade has been placing their bottles on post game press conference tables for years but god forbid a player who actually has to sit up there take the opportunity to brand his own product. So inappropriate![/quote]

Oh please. This isn`t about advertising in general.

The point is, they are at work.. representing the team. The team that cut`s their multi-million dollar salaries.[/quote]

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?[/quote]

You can't be serious here. The team is allowed to sell their team brand. There is no conflict of interest there. When individual players start to sell their own stuff it's a possible conflict of interest with the team game. Look at whats being said in this thread alone, basically everyone is crapping on FVV, and saying why would anyone buy his merch cuz he sucks. Well if his numbers were better - at the possible detriment to team success (ie selfish play) - maybe he sell more merch to the casual fans that don't understand team basketball and only see the stats/highlights.

I think it's obvious why this self promotion of 'role players' is potentially bad for a basketball team.

[J-Roc]

Once Nurse got his nn hat, I figured there must be an MLSE department handling all this stuff.

[MavCarter]

Oh please. This isn`t about advertising in general.

The point is, they are at work.. representing the team. The team that cut`s their multi-million dollar salaries.

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

You can't be serious here. The team is allowed to sell their team brand. There is no conflict of interest there. When individual players start to sell their own stuff it's a possible conflict of interest with the team game. Look at whats being said in this thread alone, basically everyone is crapping on FVV, and saying why would anyone buy his merch cuz he sucks. Well if his numbers were better - at the possible detriment to team success (ie selfish play) - maybe he sell more merch to the casual fans that don't understand team basketball and only see the stats/highlights.

I think it's obvious why this self promotion of 'role players' is potentially bad for a basketball team.

Conflict of interest with the team how? Or do you mean conflict of interest with the teams pockets?

[Vlade Divac]

I don’t mind them showing off their merch but I doubt anyone apart of their friends and family will ever buy it. Any of these items are significantly overpriced and if you really want to spend your dollar on any of this you will pick up established name and brand, not FVV, Norm or even Siakam. It’s just a joke.


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[billy_hoyle]

LOL and how much money does the "team" make off the players? Raptors signed a multi million dollar deal with sunlife for the PLAYERS to wear the patch on the jerseys, do you think MLSE is redistributing that money to them equally? Why is it ok in that instance? Why is it ok for owners to profit off of branding but the players cant?

You can't be serious here. The team is allowed to sell their team brand. There is no conflict of interest there. When individual players start to sell their own stuff it's a possible conflict of interest with the team game. Look at whats being said in this thread alone, basically everyone is crapping on FVV, and saying why would anyone buy his merch cuz he sucks. Well if his numbers were better - at the possible detriment to team success (ie selfish play) - maybe he sell more merch to the casual fans that don't understand team basketball and only see the stats/highlights.

I think it's obvious why this self promotion of 'role players' is potentially bad for a basketball team.

Conflict of interest with the team how? Or do you mean conflict of interest with the teams pockets?

I literally spelled it out in the sentences AFTER the bolded part you quoted. It's clearly possible that incentivizing the individual may come at the expense of team success. I think the issue might be worse when it's a role player that's doing it. This isn't a new issue - players possibly hurting their teams to get numbers which are generally tied to sponsorship dollars, has been a sporting debate for decades.

It's obvious to me, but perhaps too nuanced for you. Not sure how else to explain it.

[OakleyDokely]

The end of the world is near when Realgm posters come out with product lines. Until then, I can live with Raptor players monetizing themselves.

[kwajo]

The end of the world is near when Realgm posters come out with product lines. Until then, I can live with Raptor players monetizing themselves.

I would buy Red Shoelaces off RealGM, no joke.

Good quality poster, cheap prices.

[Boardbreaker]

The end of the world is near when Realgm posters come out with product lines. Until then, I can live with Raptor players monetizing themselves.

I would buy Red Shoelaces off RealGM, no joke.

Good quality poster, cheap prices.

Buy one set of shoelaces get +1 free.