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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#21 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:40 pm

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Literally makes zero sense to start FVV at the SG position. I don't think he's played a single minute in his career at that position.

FVV is gonna anchor the second unit with Terence Davis as his back-court partner.


HUHHHH? He's been playing the 2 since he ended games in 2017 with Lowry and DeMar. Even in the FINALS, he started at the 2 to begin the 2nd half. Lowry and Fred are interchangeable in those lineups but he has definitely played two guard minutes.


No... That was Lowry starting at the 2 not Freddy.

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Those base positions on heigh if I remember correctly.

FVV was the off ball two guard. It doesnt matter what the scoresheet says because the scoresheets for over a decade say LBJ isn’t a PG but we all know he is.
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#22 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:45 pm

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HUHHHH? He's been playing the 2 since he ended games in 2017 with Lowry and DeMar. Even in the FINALS, he started at the 2 to begin the 2nd half. Lowry and Fred are interchangeable in those lineups but he has definitely played two guard minutes.


No... That was Lowry starting at the 2 not Freddy.

Van Vleet:
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Lowry:
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Those base positions on heigh if I remember correctly.

FVV was the off ball two guard. It doesnt matter what the scoresheet says because the scoresheets for over a decade say LBJ isn’t a PG but we all know he is.


Fair. But he wasn't always the off ball two guard, there were plenty of possessions where Freddy would lead the transition/fastbreak and Lowry would migrate to the wing allowing for the ball to be swung around.
Super_balls is right. They're interchangeable. But I still think it makes much more sense to have Freddy lead the second unit as opposed to starting at the SG position.
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#23 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:03 pm

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No... That was Lowry starting at the 2 not Freddy.

Van Vleet:
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Lowry:
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Those base positions on heigh if I remember correctly.

FVV was the off ball two guard. It doesnt matter what the scoresheet says because the scoresheets for over a decade say LBJ isn’t a PG but we all know he is.


Fair. But he wasn't always the off ball two guard, there were plenty of possessions where Freddy would lead the transition/fastbreak and Lowry would migrate to the wing allowing for the ball to be swung around.
Super_balls is right. They're interchangeable. But I still think it makes much more sense to have Freddy lead the second unit as opposed to starting at the SG position.


Well I mean Pascal and Kawhi did that too. Doesn’t mean they’re the PG.
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#24 » by S.W.A.N » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:19 pm

OG Pascal is more than likely the combo that starts.

Now who is the SF and who is the PF is going to depend on matchups...

There certainly is a potential that Stanley or RHJ win a starting job but I not going to hold my breath on that one.
If Nurse wants to play big and have Ibaka play more PF mins this year then Siakam slides down to the three... But I doubt that is a full time thing, more situational.
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#25 » by Asif16 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:49 pm

IF we're gonna make Siakam the man, we need to surround him with Shooters....Giannis style

If Thomas actually plays like he's portrayed, I personally would have him start

Lowry
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FVV / Davis
Powell / Mccaw
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#26 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:04 pm

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Senbonzakura wrote:OG starts if he's healthy. He's the best 3 point shooter (by quite some distance) of our combo forwards and at least tied for the best defender. No brainer to go with OG-Siakam-Gasol as 3-4-5 with Ibaka getting a lot of minutes off the bench.

The biggest questions is shooting guard. Does FVV get the start or does Powell?


yep

% on Catch and shoot 3s over the last 2 years

Anunoby 35% - 359 attempts

RHJ 22% - 92 attempts

SJ 31% - 370 attempts

Og is on another level as a shooter which says more about the other 2 than OG


That being said, if either RHJ or Stanley surpass OG as a shooter I personally think they’re better overall players than OG


they're older, so they should be but nothing has been seen from them in the last 4- 5 years.

OG is simply the better shooter already with the highest upside, offensively and defensively. now that is already a no brainer right now.
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Post#27 » by ruckus » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:31 pm

We may see RHJ start at some point but that will only be due to Nurse doing some experimentation with the lineups and the matchup calling for it. However, unless he really shows some growth in his game, Nurse should limit his minutes to 10-15 per, most likely less. Between Serge (27 min), Marc (24 min) and Pascal (32 min), thats already 83 of a possible 96 frontcourt minutes being spoken for and I think those are conservative numbers for playing time. Now if Pascal plays some time at SF, that will open up a bit more playing time for RHJ at the 4 but that will also depend on how well OG and Stanley are playing. If OG & Stanley warrant taking all 48 of the SF minutes, that leaves RHJ out in the cold.

That being said, if your #9 guy is RHJ, I'd say you're in pretty good shape. There's still a 12-15 minute hole at SG but if one of Davis or Thomas or Payne or McCaw can step in to fill the void then we're laughing all the way to the playoffs.
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Post#28 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:39 pm

The amount of people finding a way to not start OG is crazy to me.
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Post#29 » by TheBoi10 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:01 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:The amount of people finding a way to not start OG is crazy to me.


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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#30 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:56 pm

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yep

% on Catch and shoot 3s over the last 2 years

Anunoby 35% - 359 attempts

RHJ 22% - 92 attempts

SJ 31% - 370 attempts

Og is on another level as a shooter which says more about the other 2 than OG


That being said, if either RHJ or Stanley surpass OG as a shooter I personally think they’re better overall players than OG


they're older, so they should be but nothing has been seen from them in the last 4- 5 years.

OG is simply the better shooter already with the highest upside, offensively and defensively. now that is already a no brainer right now.


OG is 22, Stanley is 23, RHJ is 25. Age isn’t really on any of their sides anymore, these aren’t 19 year old rookies anymore. They’re all going into their 3rd-5th seasons.

Among SF’s, OG was 76th in DRPM, Stanley was 11th, RHJ was 26th. Other than being on Toronto, there is no evidence OG is the best defender of the bunch, in fact I personally feel he might be the weakest. Teams have regularly been much better defensively with Stanley and RHJ on the court (but also much worse on offence).

OG is also the worst ball handler and passer of the 3, and the worst rebounder. He’s literally only better in the 3 pointer category, it just also happens that’s the most important skill of your 4th/5th offensive options.

If Stanley or RHJ develop a 35% 3 point shot, they’re essentially a lock to surpass OG. Playing in Toronto (a much better team than Detroit, New Orleans, or Brooklyn), those two might be able to find a more defined role and succeed. OG would look like a total bust if he was in either of their situations the last 2 seasons.
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#31 » by HeadtopChunes » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:48 pm

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That being said, if either RHJ or Stanley surpass OG as a shooter I personally think they’re better overall players than OG


they're older, so they should be but nothing has been seen from them in the last 4- 5 years.

OG is simply the better shooter already with the highest upside, offensively and defensively. now that is already a no brainer right now.


OG is 22, Stanley is 23, RHJ is 25. Age isn’t really on any of their sides anymore, these aren’t 19 year old rookies anymore. They’re all going into their 3rd-5th seasons.

Among SF’s, OG was 76th in DRPM, Stanley was 11th, RHJ was 26th. Other than being on Toronto, there is no evidence OG is the best defender of the bunch, in fact I personally feel he might be the weakest. Teams have regularly been much better defensively with Stanley and RHJ on the court (but also much worse on offence).

OG is also the worst ball handler and passer of the 3, and the worst rebounder. He’s literally only better in the 3 pointer category, it just also happens that’s the most important skill of your 4th/5th offensive options.

If Stanley or RHJ develop a 35% 3 point shot, they’re essentially a lock to surpass OG. Playing in Toronto (a much better team than Detroit, New Orleans, or Brooklyn), those two might be able to find a more defined role and succeed. OG would look like a total bust if he was in either of their situations the last 2 seasons.


You left out how OG is also the best finisher of the 3 and definitely the most athletic

Also why are you assuming they will magically learn to shoot?

Both are fairly deep into their careers it’s very unlikely they become even average shooters at this point.

OG is the least skilled but isn’t part of it because OG had a play a rigid role on a contender vs those two having more freedom on bad teams?

Plus minus stats also require you to put in context their replacements.

Stanley Johnson was the only SF on his teams last year and OG was replacing an elite starting unit playing with a very dysfunctional bench.

Rondae fell out of the nets rotation by the end of the year
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Re: With Pascal possibly at the 3, should RHJ be the 4? 

Post#32 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:53 pm

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they're older, so they should be but nothing has been seen from them in the last 4- 5 years.

OG is simply the better shooter already with the highest upside, offensively and defensively. now that is already a no brainer right now.


OG is 22, Stanley is 23, RHJ is 25. Age isn’t really on any of their sides anymore, these aren’t 19 year old rookies anymore. They’re all going into their 3rd-5th seasons.

Among SF’s, OG was 76th in DRPM, Stanley was 11th, RHJ was 26th. Other than being on Toronto, there is no evidence OG is the best defender of the bunch, in fact I personally feel he might be the weakest. Teams have regularly been much better defensively with Stanley and RHJ on the court (but also much worse on offence).

OG is also the worst ball handler and passer of the 3, and the worst rebounder. He’s literally only better in the 3 pointer category, it just also happens that’s the most important skill of your 4th/5th offensive options.

If Stanley or RHJ develop a 35% 3 point shot, they’re essentially a lock to surpass OG. Playing in Toronto (a much better team than Detroit, New Orleans, or Brooklyn), those two might be able to find a more defined role and succeed. OG would look like a total bust if he was in either of their situations the last 2 seasons.


You left out how OG is also the best finisher of the 3 and definitely the most athletic

Also why are you assuming they will magically learn to shoot?

Both are fairly deep into their careers it’s very unlikely they become even average shooters at this point.

OG is the least skilled but isn’t part of it because OG had a play a rigid role on a contender vs those two having more freedom on bad teams?

Plus minus stats also require you to put in context their replacements.

Stanley Johnson was the only SF on his teams last year and OG was replacing an elite starting unit playing with a very dysfunctional bench.

Rondae fell out of the nets rotation by the end of the year


OG isn’t really a better finisher, he simply just never takes 2 point shots that aren’t nearly guaranteed to go in.

Shooting is the one skill guys can learn imo. You can teach defence really, or passing vision, or rebounding, but you can certainly learn to shoot.

You’re acting like no one has ever became 35% shooters before, it happens all the time. OG really isn’t that great himself and he certainly cannot be relied on to hit open shots either.

I’m also not assuming a thing. I said, if, they learn to shoot. Big difference.
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Post#33 » by Dalek » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:59 pm

ruckus wrote:We may see RHJ start at some point but that will only be due to Nurse doing some experimentation with the lineups and the matchup calling for it. However, unless he really shows some growth in his game, Nurse should limit his minutes to 10-15 per, most likely less. Between Serge (27 min), Marc (24 min) and Pascal (32 min), thats already 83 of a possible 96 frontcourt minutes being spoken for and I think those are conservative numbers for playing time. Now if Pascal plays some time at SF, that will open up a bit more playing time for RHJ at the 4 but that will also depend on how well OG and Stanley are playing. If OG & Stanley warrant taking all 48 of the SF minutes, that leaves RHJ out in the cold.

That being said, if your #9 guy is RHJ, I'd say you're in pretty good shape. There's still a 12-15 minute hole at SG but if one of Davis or Thomas or Payne or McCaw can step in to fill the void then we're laughing all the way to the playoffs.


I think the book on RHJ basically shows that he is a back-up player on a good team. Maybe PF is his only role because the guy is such a limited shooter. Even when he drives at the rim, he is a bit out of control. I get that him and Stanley Johnson are defensive specialists, but they both offer so little that you even have to wonder if Toronto would be better served playing guys like Boucher, Hernandez or even Miller.

The way I look at it is that Nurse probably thinks of them as injury insurance and high level practice players. Basically RHJ and Johnson are depth signings that fill out the roster.
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Post#34 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:52 am

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OG is 22, Stanley is 23, RHJ is 25. Age isn’t really on any of their sides anymore, these aren’t 19 year old rookies anymore. They’re all going into their 3rd-5th seasons.

Among SF’s, OG was 76th in DRPM, Stanley was 11th, RHJ was 26th. Other than being on Toronto, there is no evidence OG is the best defender of the bunch, in fact I personally feel he might be the weakest. Teams have regularly been much better defensively with Stanley and RHJ on the court (but also much worse on offence).

OG is also the worst ball handler and passer of the 3, and the worst rebounder. He’s literally only better in the 3 pointer category, it just also happens that’s the most important skill of your 4th/5th offensive options.

If Stanley or RHJ develop a 35% 3 point shot, they’re essentially a lock to surpass OG. Playing in Toronto (a much better team than Detroit, New Orleans, or Brooklyn), those two might be able to find a more defined role and succeed. OG would look like a total bust if he was in either of their situations the last 2 seasons.


You left out how OG is also the best finisher of the 3 and definitely the most athletic

Also why are you assuming they will magically learn to shoot?

Both are fairly deep into their careers it’s very unlikely they become even average shooters at this point.

OG is the least skilled but isn’t part of it because OG had a play a rigid role on a contender vs those two having more freedom on bad teams?

Plus minus stats also require you to put in context their replacements.

Stanley Johnson was the only SF on his teams last year and OG was replacing an elite starting unit playing with a very dysfunctional bench.

Rondae fell out of the nets rotation by the end of the year


OG isn’t really a better finisher, he simply just never takes 2 point shots that aren’t nearly guaranteed to go in.

Shooting is the one skill guys can learn imo. You can teach defence really, or passing vision, or rebounding, but you can certainly learn to shoot.

You’re acting like no one has ever became 35% shooters before, it happens all the time. OG really isn’t that great himself and he certainly cannot be relied on to hit open shots either.

I’m also not assuming a thing. I said, if, they learn to shoot. Big difference.


Your entire argument is based on them suddenly massively improving their 3pt shooting, OG has a much better as a shooter so far. If they can improve drastically why can't OG? Especially since he is the youngest and least experienced out of the 3.

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His finishing numbers stack up really well against them. Still arguably the best.

So if OG is arguably the best finisher, definitely the best shooter, the most athletic and youngest, what wrong with assuming he has the most upside and playing him more because of that?

I think he has good passing instincts too even if his handle is too trash to take advantage of that at the moment
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Post#35 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:03 am

I would start OG at SF and keep Pascal at PF.
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Post#36 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:29 am

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You left out how OG is also the best finisher of the 3 and definitely the most athletic

Also why are you assuming they will magically learn to shoot?

Both are fairly deep into their careers it’s very unlikely they become even average shooters at this point.

OG is the least skilled but isn’t part of it because OG had a play a rigid role on a contender vs those two having more freedom on bad teams?

Plus minus stats also require you to put in context their replacements.

Stanley Johnson was the only SF on his teams last year and OG was replacing an elite starting unit playing with a very dysfunctional bench.

Rondae fell out of the nets rotation by the end of the year


OG isn’t really a better finisher, he simply just never takes 2 point shots that aren’t nearly guaranteed to go in.

Shooting is the one skill guys can learn imo. You can teach defence really, or passing vision, or rebounding, but you can certainly learn to shoot.

You’re acting like no one has ever became 35% shooters before, it happens all the time. OG really isn’t that great himself and he certainly cannot be relied on to hit open shots either.

I’m also not assuming a thing. I said, if, they learn to shoot. Big difference.


Your entire argument is based on them suddenly massively improving their 3pt shooting, OG has a much better as a shooter so far. If they can improve drastically why can't OG? Especially since he is the youngest and least experienced out of the 3.

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His finishing numbers stack up really well against them. Still arguably the best.

So if OG is arguably the best finisher, definitely the best shooter, the most athletic and youngest, what wrong with assuming he has the most upside and playing him more because of that?

I think he has good passing instincts too even if his handle is too trash to take advantage of that at the moment

Once again, OG doesn’t shoot shots unless he’s guaranteed to hit them, the benefits of your teammates being Kawhi demar Lowry Siakam valanciunas Gasol ibaka and other good offensive players instead of whatever the other two have been surrounded by.

OG is not a finisher because he never slashes or posts up. He finishes open layups and shoots the occasional late clock 2. That’s it. He’s better at something Johnson also never does, and something RHJ does, but isn’t great at. There really isn’t any benefit to any of the 3 here, as none of them have proven they’re capable finishers in their career.

OG also isn’t the most athletic, RHJ and Johnson are both solid athletes. OG is super unfluid and an awkward athlete. He isn’t overly fast, he isn’t overly latterly quick, and he isn’t overly strong. He isn’t negative in any area but he certainly isn’t elite either.

So his only real advantage is shooting, which again, is something players can learn. No where have I stated they WILL learn if it, simply that they can learn it. Just like OG can learn to dribble and develop other instincts, but there’s no guarantees.

OG doesn’t have the highest upside of the 3, it’s that simple. He has shown nothing that suggests he even has 1 highly above average skill (35% from 3 is below league average). Johnson has shown he can be an elite defender. RHJ has shown he can be an nice defender and rebounder at the 3/small 4. His per 36 in 2018 of 18/9/3/1/1 on 55TS% is more promising than OG’s first two campaigns as well.

Once again, if OG was a Net or a Piston his entire career he’d be the guy who was looking to be signed to a 1 year reclamation project in 2021. Instead he got to chill and play to his strengths (defence) as a 5th option, a luxury these other two haven’t had in their careers. There’s a legitimate argument he wouldn’t have even been in our playoff rotation last year, as he doesn’t really bring anything to the table. His 35% from 3 is also below league average and that’s on primarily wide open shots. He isn’t some knockdown shooter.

People acting like OG is some outstanding prospect are kidding themselves. He’s a decent shooting, decent defending wing with no other skill to speak of. This isnt a future all star, this isn’t a future high level starter, and it might not even be a high level bench player.
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Post#37 » by Metallikid » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:39 am

Early on I believe we will have an old team/new team lineup

The starters will be from last year: Kyle, Fred, Pascal, Serge and Marc. Possibly Norm/OG instead of Serge with Pascal at the 4.

Then the bench feature the new guys: Terence Davis, Stanley Johnson, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Dewan Hernandez along with a rotation of Norm/OG/Patrick/Serge

The starters will play less minutes than they did last year. As I said a while back, this season will be...

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Post#38 » by Brinbe » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:47 am

rhj probably operates as the super small-ball c on offense and should come off the bench.

but regardless, i loathe the idea of wings that can't shoot at all. whatever benefit he brings on defense just isn't worth having that type of non-shooter on offense.
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Post#39 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:02 am

I think OG will have it initially because he has the highest upside and I think Masai wants to see more to know how his development is going.

But it won't surprise me if in time Staminal takes the starting spot or at least gets the most minutes/closes out games in the end as he's a slightly smaller OG clone but more skilled. RHJ is just a roleplayer to fill in minutes to manage everyone's health at the forward positions.
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Post#40 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:26 am

YogurtProducer wrote:Once again, OG doesn’t shoot shots unless he’s guaranteed to hit them,


I mean its pretty obvious OG has been in a far better team situation than the other two. But

1) That's not necessarily true

2) Not something to penalize him for

Actually, we can just look up the stats on contested shots on NBA.com and look at that OGs looks pretty good again.

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Yes, a lower % of his overall shots were contested but he was by far the best finisher at contested shots.



OG is not a finisher because he never slashes or posts up. He finishes open layups and shoots the occasional late clock 2. That’s it. He’s better at something Johnson also never does, and something RHJ does, but isn’t great at. There really isn’t any benefit to any of the 3 here, as none of them have proven they’re capable finishers in their career.


Not sure how you define finisher but my definition is pretty straight forward. Finishing at the rim which I already made my case on.

Also, the benefit is especially important for RHJ who functions much more as a big man than the other 2 taking a large volume of assisted shots in the paint and primarily being a roll man/rebounder.



OG also isn’t the most athletic, RHJ and Johnson are both solid athletes. OG is super unfluid and an awkward athlete. He isn’t overly fast, he isn’t overly latterly quick, and he isn’t overly strong. He isn’t negative in any area but he certainly isn’t elite either.


OG is definitely the best athlete.

His lateral quickness, explosiveness and vertical are far superior to the other 2

Stanley Johnson is not a solid athlete Stanley has 0 burst or explosion and is too heavy move quickly laterally all he has is strength.

RHJ I would call a solid athlete but he doesn't have the same vertical or lateral quickness that OG has.



OG doesn’t have the highest upside of the 3, it’s that simple. He has shown nothing that suggests he even has 1 highly above average skill (35% from 3 is below league average). Johnson has shown he can be an elite defender. RHJ has shown he can be an nice defender and rebounder at the 3/small 4. His per 36 in 2018 of 18/9/3/1/1 on 55TS% is more promising than OG’s first two campaigns as well.


I must have missed when Johnson showed he was an elite defender because I don't remember any such thing.

I find it interesting that you penalize OG for being on a good team and playing a smaller role but somehow RHJ getting to chuck shots on a bad team is some version of superior upside? Are you ignoring RHJ falling out of the rotation the very next year when the Nets actually became a decent team?

Those 2 have proven nothing and its why we have them on minimums or close to it


Once again, if OG was a Net or a Piston his entire career he’d be the guy who was looking to be signed to a 1 year reclamation project in 2021. Instead he got to chill and play to his strengths (defence) as a 5th option, a luxury these other two haven’t had in their careers. There’s a legitimate argument he wouldn’t have even been in our playoff rotation last year, as he doesn’t really bring anything to the table. His 35% from 3 is also below league average and that’s on primarily wide open shots. He isn’t some knockdown shooter.


Can't really judge prospects by some hypotheticals. OG isn't a knockdown shooter but he's an efficient 4th/5th option and a positive defender.

Again this argument falls apart when you consider OG was one of our better playoff performers last year and Stanley and RHJ both lost their places in their rotation on two worse playoffs teams. The pistons traded their only SF for Thon Maker, Stanley ended up on the Pelicans where he largely underperformed.

RHJ quite literally didnt make the rotation of the Nets which were barely a playoff team

People acting like OG is some outstanding prospect are kidding themselves. He’s a decent shooting, decent defending wing with no other skill to speak of. This isnt a future all star, this isn’t a future high level starter, and it might not even be a high level bench player.


Nobody here is acting like OG is some amazing prospect. It's more like he's a better one than 2 meh prospects. Who ironically seem to be the ones being overrated here.

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