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tor1234567 wrote:GordanFreeman wrote:Danny1616 wrote:
Jon Jones would still be the GOAT.
Peds, being a **** human, etc...
Keep him on the PEDs. Who cares.
I wanna see him go up to Heavyweight and try his luck with Stipe Miocic.
Stipe would probably eat like 50 punches and knock Jones the F out.
These Eastern European guys like Miocic and Khabib are scary man.
To be fair, Jones was taking every fight that was given to him; he didn't select them himself. He took 4 fights the year that he won the belt, which is taxing on anybody. Obviously the juice gave him an edge but the frequency of his fights should lessen the size of that edge a bit.jimross wrote:5playersnot1 wrote:jimross wrote:
Khabib has lost ONE round in 28 fights. Hes by far the most dominant fighter.
Jon was using peds for most of his career and hasn't looked dominant in the fights without them. He nearly lost to Santos who blew his knee out in the 1st round.
Not really. Jon said he chose to stand with Santos just to prove he was a better striker knowing that was Santos's game. Look who Jon has smashed and compare that list to Khabib's. He could get there, he's a freak just like Jones, but he's got to defend that belt a lot longer to challenge Jones for the Pound for Pound GOAT
Firstly Jon's excuse of keeping it standing doesn't negate the fact that Sanots was fighting on one blown out knee and another that needed surgery as well, Santos was barely mobile in that fight and still made it a split decision. Definitely not dominant. Khabib has dominated every single fight he's been in aside for Gleason Tibeau who was juiced to gills (like Jones) and was eventually popped a few fights later.
Secondly Jones has been on PEDs for most of his career. The guy cheated to win, simple as that. That alone drops his out of the GOAT contention. One of the PEDs he got caught for allows you to keep your strength and endurance through a weight cut, that's a MASSIVE advantage when preparing for a fight.
I don't get how people just gloss over the facts he was on PEDs for most of his career. If he didn't need them he wouldn't continue to risk his career taking them.
RaptorsNorth wrote:Man this board has hit a all time low! After winning a Championship this board has become a General discussion board. Random threads about nothing, UFC, Tennis, Ect.. What's next curling ? Golf ? American Warriors Ninja or whatever it's called ? Why are we discussing UFC on a Raptors board. It's not even the same sport smh
RaptorsNorth wrote:Man this board has hit a all time low! After winning a Championship this board has become a General discussion board. Random threads about nothing, UFC, Tennis, Ect.. What's next curling ? Golf ? American Warriors Ninja or whatever it's called ? Why are we discussing UFC on a Raptors board. It's not even the same sport smh
omar36 wrote:tor1234567 wrote:GordanFreeman wrote:
Peds, being a **** human, etc...
Keep him on the PEDs. Who cares.
I wanna see him go up to Heavyweight and try his luck with Stipe Miocic.
Stipe would probably eat like 50 punches and knock Jones the F out.
These Eastern European guys like Miocic and Khabib are scary man.
miocic is american lol
also i think it would be a good match up but ill take jon. Miocic struggled vs DC till Dc got cocky and never bothered to defend himself from those gut shots. I think they rematch and DC wins
JOnes just looks unbeatable to me. hes just scary good
RaptorsNorth wrote:Man this board has hit a all time low! After winning a Championship this board has become a General discussion board. Random threads about nothing, UFC, Tennis, Ect.. What's next curling ? Golf ? American Warriors Ninja or whatever it's called ? Why are we discussing UFC on a Raptors board. It's not even the same sport smh
RaptorsNorth wrote:Man this board has hit a all time low! After winning a Championship this board has become a General discussion board. Random threads about nothing, UFC, Tennis, Ect.. What's next curling ? Golf ? American Warriors Ninja or whatever it's called ? Why are we discussing UFC on a Raptors board. It's not even the same sport smh
RaptorsNorth wrote:Man this board has hit a all time low! After winning a Championship this board has become a General discussion board. Random threads about nothing, UFC, Tennis, Ect.. What's next curling ? Golf ? American Warriors Ninja or whatever it's called ? Why are we discussing UFC on a Raptors board. It's not even the same sport smh
duppyy wrote:omar36 wrote:tor1234567 wrote:
Keep him on the PEDs. Who cares.
I wanna see him go up to Heavyweight and try his luck with Stipe Miocic.
Stipe would probably eat like 50 punches and knock Jones the F out.
These Eastern European guys like Miocic and Khabib are scary man.
miocic is american lol
also i think it would be a good match up but ill take jon. Miocic struggled vs DC till Dc got cocky and never bothered to defend himself from those gut shots. I think they rematch and DC wins
JOnes just looks unbeatable to me. hes just scary good
And Khabib is not eastern european. He's Caucasus.
tor1234567 wrote:duppyy wrote:omar36 wrote:
miocic is american lol
also i think it would be a good match up but ill take jon. Miocic struggled vs DC till Dc got cocky and never bothered to defend himself from those gut shots. I think they rematch and DC wins
JOnes just looks unbeatable to me. hes just scary good
And Khabib is not eastern european. He's Caucasus.
Miocic is American-born, but his parents are Croatian.
Those guys have big heads and bones as thick as most people's limbs... And they're pretty great at sports.
Miocic literally eats punches on purpose so he can create an opening to hit his opponent back. That last fight was like Rocky 4. Just kept taking them, and continued to fight until DC couldn't even keep his fists up.
Khabib is from the Caucasus region, but he's a white Slavic dude in the same mold as Stipe. He's Muslim, but not Arabic at all (people incorrectly associate the two groups). Those dudes from Dagestan and Chechnya are built like Russians, just a different religion and culture.
DC is great, but I don't think he wins the rematch against Miocic. I think he might opt to retire. I would love to see Jones fight Miocic, but I don't think he wants to TBH.
duppyy wrote:tor1234567 wrote:duppyy wrote:
And Khabib is not eastern european. He's Caucasus.
Miocic is American-born, but his parents are Croatian.
Those guys have big heads and bones as thick as most people's limbs... And they're pretty great at sports.
Miocic literally eats punches on purpose so he can create an opening to hit his opponent back. That last fight was like Rocky 4. Just kept taking them, and continued to fight until DC couldn't even keep his fists up.
Khabib is from the Caucasus region, but he's a white Slavic dude in the same mold as Stipe. He's Muslim, but not Arabic at all (people incorrectly associate the two groups). Those dudes from Dagestan and Chechnya are built like Russians, just a different religion and culture.
DC is great, but I don't think he wins the rematch against Miocic. I think he might opt to retire. I would love to see Jones fight Miocic, but I don't think he wants to TBH.
I was born in Dagestan but wouldn't consider myself European. I guess its all arbitrary anyways. People assume I'm from Iran and sometimes I get Italian.
PurpleTrees wrote:One of the Nigerian guys would beat him IMO (i know they are different weight classes), including Sodiq Yusuf who is an up and comer in the division.