The NBA/China Controversy

[Zeno]

But, not visiting Trump is a political decision. If a team can get away with a political statement, one that 45% of the population will interpret as an insult to the nation, without the NBA pushing back, then the NBA shouldn't be pushing back on any political statement. You can't pick or choose just because one statement has minimal economic consequence and another might have a considerable economic consequence. That's called hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is underrated and you can definitely pick and choose. Pretty much only insane people don’t do so from time to time.

So, you're argument boils down to hypocrisy is underrated?

Yep. That basically it.

[ChimRichalds]

love too support murderous, organ harvesting, commie regimes for profit

[shefcurry]

Frankly, I don't think sports and politics should mix at all. Ever. Sport has always been a neutral ground where people of different backgrounds, races, cultures, and perspectives can come together by sharing something they may not share in other parts of their lives. To make that political too leaves no safe haven for people of different perspectives to find common ground.

[RoLo]

Frankly, I don't think sports and politics should mix at all. Ever. Sport has always been a neutral ground where people of different backgrounds, races, cultures, and perspectives can come together by sharing something they may not share in other parts of their lives. To make that political too leaves no safe haven for people of different perspectives to find common ground.

u can argue quite the opposite. that sports are one of the few platforms that have generated opportunities for athletes and figures to make a real, meaningful stance on something. i find it when people tell others to keep politics out of sports, when the issue is very real, to be nothing less than jarring. Yes, lets prevent the issues of something that actually means something and affects real peoples lives out of a children's game where peaches are thrown in baskets or pigskin is carried across imaginary painted lines. god forbid it interrupts your regularly scheduled programming as you put your feet up on your suede ottoman after a nice and simple 9 to 5.

im not attacking you specifically, or your post. Just the broad sentiment that i see people have when people complain about seeing politics in sport

[ChimRichalds]

Frankly, I don't think sports and politics should mix at all. Ever. Sport has always been a neutral ground where people of different backgrounds, races, cultures, and perspectives can come together by sharing something they may not share in other parts of their lives. To make that political too leaves no safe haven for people of different perspectives to find common ground.

u can argue quite the opposite. that sports are one of the few platforms that have generated opportunities for athletes and figures to make a real, meaningful stance on something. i find it when people tell others to keep politics out of sports, when the issue is very real, to be nothing less than jarring. Yes, lets prevent the issues of something that actually means something and affects real peoples lives out of a children's game where peaches are thrown in baskets or pigskin is carried across imaginary painted lines. god forbid it interrupts your regularly scheduled programming as you put your feet up on your suede ottoman after a nice and simple 9 to 5.

im not attacking you specifically, or your post. Just the broad sentiment that i see people have when people complain about seeing politics in sport

The people that want politics in sports only want their politics in sports.

[rove]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

[bluerap23]

Excited to see how the very progressive NBA handles this issue. Money > Morals?

NBA has zero morals.

[mademan]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

You don’t need to know much about it. China is a communist dictatorship and Hong Kong is rebelling against them. That’s enough to support Hong Kong

[Basketball_Jones]

Twitter is garbage

[shefcurry]

Frankly, I don't think sports and politics should mix at all. Ever. Sport has always been a neutral ground where people of different backgrounds, races, cultures, and perspectives can come together by sharing something they may not share in other parts of their lives. To make that political too leaves no safe haven for people of different perspectives to find common ground.

u can argue quite the opposite. that sports are one of the few platforms that have generated opportunities for athletes and figures to make a real, meaningful stance on something. i find it when people tell others to keep politics out of sports, when the issue is very real, to be nothing less than jarring. Yes, lets prevent the issues of something that actually means something and affects real peoples lives out of a children's game where peaches are thrown in baskets or pigskin is carried across imaginary painted lines. god forbid it interrupts your regularly scheduled programming as you put your feet up on your suede ottoman after a nice and simple 9 to 5.

im not attacking you specifically, or your post. Just the broad sentiment that i see people have when people complain about seeing politics in sport

The people that want politics in sports only want their politics in sports.

This. There are plenty of platforms out there to get messages across. We don't need more platforms to divide us. We need more platforms to unite us.

[rove]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

You don’t need to know much about it. China is a communist dictatorship and Hong Kong is rebelling against them. That’s enough to support Hong Kong

That's a GROSSLY simplified view that fits in your particular world view.

I grew up in Hong Kong so I would venture to say I know more than you do on this topic.

[Raps in 4]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

The west has supported tons of ruthless regimes. Saudi Arabia is the US and Canada's top ally, and they are arguably the most oppressive regime in the world.

China is a case of not wanting to poke the bear. NATO isn't going to enter a war with them, so you start down a path of appeasement. China is also a massive growing market, so companies are more than happy to put up with their lack of human rights if it means selling their products there.

[Raps in 4]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

You don’t need to know much about it. China is a communist dictatorship and Hong Kong is rebelling against them. That’s enough to support Hong Kong

China is the furthest thing from communist. If they were actually a communist state, I would fully support them in this matter. China is a fascist/capitalist dictatorship. They are probably only in front of the US when it comes to workers' rights and equality (among developed countries). Canada is more socialist than China.

[will]

Long live Hong Kong!!!!!!!

[rove]

China is a case of not wanting to poke the bear. NATO isn't going to enter a war with them, so you start down a path of appeasement. China is also a massive growing market, so companies are more than happy to put up with their lack of human rights if it means selling their products there.

Yep. Basically, it's been said by others here, money talks.

And short of a massive military conflict, external influences will not change China.

PS Whether they're Communist is irrelevant (they're not in practice). But not to digress even further, communism was proven to be unworkable as a system - it's against human nature.

[agentzero2010]

What are your thoughts on the genocide of the Uighurs?

1. Thats a separate issue from Hong Kong and the protests there.

2. The difference in reporting on this issue means that there is an assymetry in how we view this issue and what we think is happening there.

3. Differences in moral outlook will also affect how we view this issue.

With those in mind, in my opinion, I don't think that China is genociding Uyghurs in Xinjiang. I do think that a broad cultural assimilation and reeducation initiative alongside a general police crackdown is happening there. This was done in response to rising ethnic and separatist tensions in the area. How you view these actions is then based on your moral framework/ cultural upbringing.

"Cultural assimilation and reeducation" is that how they phrase genocide in commie China schools??

Isn’t that how they framed the boarding schools for the Natives here?

But at to be fair to China, the British actually committed mass genocide to the natives here, did some terrible stuff and stole their land. If we are going to recognize China as such, shouldn’t we do the same for Canada? America? England? What England did to India and Pakistan is way worse than anything China has done to Hong Kong.

Also, I’ve been on this board since 2010 and I’m not a bot. The stuff you see on CBC, CTV, Global news, etc are 80% biased. Trust me on that one.

[rove]

Isn’t that how they framed the boarding schools for the Natives here?

But at to be fair to China, the British actually committed mass genocide to the natives here, did some terrible stuff and stole their land. If we are going to recognize China as such, shouldn’t we do the same for Canada? America? England? What England did to India and Pakistan is way worse than anything China has done to Hong Kong.

Also, I’ve been on this board since 2010 and I’m not a bot. The stuff you see on CBC, CTV, Global news, etc are 80% biased. Trust me on that one.

100% agreed - hence my statement "Americans/Canadians only care about China when it's convenient"

Western society is built on the same foundation of exploitation, slavery and genocide - only they had about a 200 year head start and can claim to be "more civilized".

Hell, look at Middle East, look at South America.

People protest and stand up to the governments and are dying by the dozens if not hundreds per day.

Is it reported? No.

Oh, but someone got injured in Hong Kong or the subway is being vandalized - that's MAJOR NEWS THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WORLD.

Bias.

[Clay Davis]

1. Thats a separate issue from Hong Kong and the protests there.

2. The difference in reporting on this issue means that there is an assymetry in how we view this issue and what we think is happening there.

3. Differences in moral outlook will also affect how we view this issue.

With those in mind, in my opinion, I don't think that China is genociding Uyghurs in Xinjiang. I do think that a broad cultural assimilation and reeducation initiative alongside a general police crackdown is happening there. This was done in response to rising ethnic and separatist tensions in the area. How you view these actions is then based on your moral framework/ cultural upbringing.

"Cultural assimilation and reeducation" is that how they phrase genocide in commie China schools??

Isn’t that how they framed the boarding schools for the Natives here?

But at to be fair to China, the British actually committed mass genocide to the natives here, did some terrible stuff and stole their land. If we are going to recognize China as such, shouldn’t we do the same for Canada? America? England? What England did to India and Pakistan is way worse than anything China has done to Hong Kong.

Also, I’ve been on this board since 2010 and I’m not a bot. The stuff you see on CBC, CTV, Global news, etc are 80% biased. Trust me on that one.

Canada has been doing that lol

https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100015644/1100100015649

This is from Harper. China is committing genocide and Canadians like t54zhao are okay with it.

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[Pointgod]

I've said it to my friends - Americans only care about China (or any other country) when it's convenient for them - good or bad.

TBH Canadians are the same.

I don't support either the Hong Kong demonstrators or Chinese government but how much does Morey REALLY know about the situation?

You don’t need to know much about it. China is a communist dictatorship and Hong Kong is rebelling against them. That’s enough to support Hong Kong

That's a GROSSLY simplified view that fits in your particular world view.

I grew up in Hong Kong so I would venture to say I know more than you do on this topic.

How is it grossly simplified. The Hong Kong protestors are standing up for Democracy, China is a quasi dictatorship/totalitarian state. I can’t blame the people of Hong Kong for not wanting to live under the boot of the mainland. And what China is doing to the Uyghurs is absolutely disgusting.

[Raps in 4]

This is capitalism at its finest right? You influence politics with your money. I don’t see anything wrong about what “China basketball” is doing. And sure you can support Hong Kong but there’s consequences to everything you say and express.

Freedom of speech or freedom in anything is just a lie they tell you to make you feel warm and fuzzy. Your freedom is dictated by how much money and power you posses. If you are the POTUS you can do whatever and say whatever you want with little to no consequences. If you are just an average joe who needs to keep your job to pay the bills, just zip it and move on. Or you can speak up and face the consequences.

We don't have laws that protect freedom of speech in employment. Your employer dictates what you can and cannot say at work (which extends outside of the physical workplace now too). Freedom of speech laws only protect you from infringement by the state.