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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#701 » by OAKLEY_2 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:23 pm

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seanbig wrote:I used to be totally against China commie until I had an ex who grew up in Prc. In Guangzhou but nevertheless China and not Hk. China is like Iran or Saudi Arabia

It’s not democracy but it works. Look at Russia and how “democracy” has worked there. If China was smart they would just keep Hk a special state forever


The whole issue is that China agreed to leave HK under own laws after the transfer from UK to China in 1997.

In 1839, Britain invaded China to crush opposition to its interference in the country’s economic, social, and political affairs. One of Britain’s first acts of the war was to occupy Hong Kong, a sparsely inhabited island off the coast of southeast China. In 1841, China ceded the island to the British with the signing of the Convention of Chuenpi, and in 1842 the Treaty of Nanking was signed, formally ending the First Opium War.

Britain’s new colony flourished as an East-West trading center and as the commercial gateway and distribution center for southern China. In 1898, Britain was granted an additional 99 years of rule over Hong Kong under the Second Convention of Peking. In September 1984, after years of negotiations, the British and the Chinese signed a formal agreement approving the 1997 turnover of the island in exchange for a Chinese pledge to preserve Hong Kong’s capitalist system.


Communists cannot help themselves when it comes to power since there is no opposition to stop them (they kill opposition in the bud). Sadly next will be Taiwan, but at least Taiwan has an army to defend themselves.


For just a pinch of balance, our "Democracy" extraordinarily rendered a Canadian citizen to Syria to be tortured. America has had open season on journists and whistle blowers who expose crimes of the powerful and their policies killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians in their oil play. That should not stop criticism of totalitarian states but America by the numbers is beginning to resemble the despot regimes we often criticize.
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#702 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:39 pm

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Also: there is zero logic to support the middle clause in this quote. The fans have politicized something. MLSE did nothing but let them in the arena. To put that on MLSE fails any form of logical analysis.


Of course you are right about that. But that is not how China will see it, they will have expected MLSE or our police to prevent any visible expression of protest. Not sure how much play this will get in China, if it happens with lots of shirts showing in the arena, but if it does that is what China would expect.
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#703 » by whoknows » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:18 am

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/shaquille-o-neal-touts-free-speech-claims-daryl-morey-was-right-on-china-controversy-010450698.html
... “I thought everybody was really unfair to LeBron,” Barkley said. “Everybody does business in China. Every American company does business in China. Why should LeBron not be able to protect his financial interests — and the NBA and Nike?”
O’Neal: ‘Daryl Morey was right’
But O’Neal didn’t hesitate to speak up for the value of freedom of expression and defended Morey for taking a stance.

“Daryl Morey was right,” O’Neal said. “Whenever you see something wrong going on anywhere in the world, you should have the right to say 'that's not right' and that's what he did.”
O’Neal’s words reflect what many NBA fans hoped and expected to hear from the league with a reputation as the most progressive and forward thinking in American sports.

Instead, league leaders consistently put business interests ahead of free speech and human rights concerns.

Respect for Shaq and lost respect for Chuck
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#704 » by whoknows » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:09 pm

Some of the NBA’s biggest players and owners, who routinely exercise their freedom to criticize this country, lose their voices when it comes to the freedom and rights of other peoples,” Pence said. “In siding with the Chinese Communist Party and silencing free speech, the NBA is acting like a wholly owned subsidiary of the authoritarian regime.”
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#705 » by Red_Claw » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:15 pm

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Some of the NBA’s biggest players and owners, who routinely exercise their freedom to criticize this country, lose their voices when it comes to the freedom and rights of other peoples,” Pence said. “In siding with the Chinese Communist Party and silencing free speech, the NBA is acting like a wholly owned subsidiary of the authoritarian regime.”


Pence said that?!?! Take a look in the mirror bro....
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#706 » by whoknows » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:20 pm

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whoknows wrote:
Some of the NBA’s biggest players and owners, who routinely exercise their freedom to criticize this country, lose their voices when it comes to the freedom and rights of other peoples,” Pence said. “In siding with the Chinese Communist Party and silencing free speech, the NBA is acting like a wholly owned subsidiary of the authoritarian regime.”


Pence said that?!?! Take a look in the mirror bro....


so because he said it must be the opposite....right?
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Re: The NBA/China Controversy 

Post#707 » by Red_Claw » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:40 pm

whoknows wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:
whoknows wrote:


Pence said that?!?! Take a look in the mirror bro....


so because he said it must be the opposite....right?


That's your speculation.

All im was saying is he is a hypocrite.

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