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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#21 » by Yeezus_ » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:18 pm

I thought Davis was just okay. He did some things well but also made some bad mistakes. He needs to tighten his handle and jumper while cutting down the turnovers. He's a pretty good undrafted player but to say he might start at the end of the year based on what he's shown in pre-season is a ridiculous take. He'll be in and out of the G-League and behind Norm and McCaw in the depth chart.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#22 » by bonbons » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:18 pm

Just from watching the highlights it looks like Davis is 100% hustle, 0 bbiq right now. I think players like that need time to learn, he probably won't play serious minutes for at least a year or two.

Thomas seemed like his shot was good, but got burned defensively. Don't know how solid his D is yet.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#23 » by Yeezus_ » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:19 pm

bonbons wrote:Just from watching the highlights it looks like Davis is 100% hustle, 0 bbiq right now. I think players like that need time to learn, he probably won't play serious minutes for at least a year or two.

He sees the floor okay but needs to make tighter passes. G-League will help his development a lot.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#24 » by RaptorsNorth » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:23 pm

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SHFT wrote:Was only able to catch parts of the 2nd half but looking at the box score, Norm seemed to have a good game. What about his night makes you think he isnt the guy?

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He is what he is....actually would start him at SF. OG is def not the guy. My top 10 would be

Lowry
Thomas
Norm
Pascal
Gasol

FVV
Davis
OG
RHJ
Ibaka
norm at SF ? :lol: didn't this experiment already failed. I mean OG is not starting SF quality, but we might actually have to go with him unless Miller shows us something. You can tell OG is trying hard, but his body make up is just not allowing it. It's like trying get a guy that has one leg shorter than the other to run smoothly. You just know it's never going to happen. Maybe seeing a chiropractor can help run straight instead of running like he has concrete blocks on his back .. Watching him run just looks so unnatural. Now I understand why he had that injury. He has use a lot of power to straighten his body up before extending. Also I just wish RHJ would just grab boards and defend. I don't want to see him creating for others, or shooting the ball.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#25 » by mathgeek » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:30 pm

Another option is to place Serge at the 4 and Siakam at the 3. We have huge holes at both SG and SF position but i have a feeling that Nurse will play a lot of small ball with Lowry and FVV at the 1 and 2 spot. As it stands right now unless we see a large improvement from OG, Stanley and maybe a surprise from one of the young guys, Davis? Thomas? We will be in that 5-7 range in the standings.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#26 » by StopitLeo » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:31 pm

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SHFT wrote:Was only able to catch parts of the 2nd half but looking at the box score, Norm seemed to have a good game. What about his night makes you think he isnt the guy?

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Because people dont know what they're watching.

Norm is way ahead of any of the other scrubs fighting for minutes. No one wants to like norm. They'd rather get hyped for guys like og because the media forcefeeds a narrative. To be fair even nurse doesn't realize what he has. It's crazy to me man. Norm shows up in big playoff games, already has had a polished wing skillset, has great physical tools, is consistently a good teammate and hard worker, has been with the team for a while and still has to fight for minutes with mccaw.

Mccaw is so raw compared to norm but people get hyped because of a few defensive possessions. Twilight zone stuff to me. It s the same thing with og. Such a limited player garnering so much hype. Give the players thtt can actually play some guaranteed minutes please. Stop making them "earn" it against clearly Inferior players.


Norm should finally get some consistent minutes this year and I expect him to be more consistent with his production because of it. He also seems to have tweaked the timing of the release on his jumpshot to a bit earlier. He had a bad tendency to release late, often on the way down, which made his shot quite inconsistent. I expect Norm to have a year reflective of his contract.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#27 » by Boogie! » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:38 pm

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SHFT wrote:Was only able to catch parts of the 2nd half but looking at the box score, Norm seemed to have a good game. What about his night makes you think he isnt the guy?

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Because people dont know what they're watching.

Norm is way ahead of any of the other scrubs fighting for minutes. No one wants to like norm. They'd rather get hyped for guys like og because the media forcefeeds a narrative. To be fair even nurse doesn't realize what he has. It's crazy to me man. Norm shows up in big playoff games, already has had a polished wing skillset, has great physical tools, is consistently a good teammate and hard worker, has been with the team for a while and still has to fight for minutes with mccaw.

Mccaw is so raw compared to norm but people get hyped because of a few defensive possessions. Twilight zone stuff to me. It s the same thing with og. Such a limited player garnering so much hype. Give the players thtt can actually play some guaranteed minutes please. Stop making them "earn" it against clearly Inferior players.


Norm should finally get some consistent minutes this year and I expect him to be more consistent with his production because of it. He also seems to have tweaked the timing of the release on his jumpshot to a bit earlier. He had a bad tendency to release late, often on the way down, which made his shot quite inconsistent. I expect Norm to have a year reflective of his contract.


Only if nurse sees him as a set part of the rotation. Thats what frustrates me. You had nurse doing things like forcefeeding fvv minutes in a series that clearly he was going to have no positive impact on, yet a guy like norm is still a toss up with mccaw. Nurse doesn't want to make him a staple and that's a bad decision imo. He deserves better than yanking his minutes night to night just to give other guys a shot. If fvv is a defacto rotation guy so is Norm. Mccaw, rhj, SJ, og, Davis, Thomas, he's ahead of all those guys talent wise. And tbh of that list, the only other guys I can see making a positive impact this season are Terrence Davis and Matt Thomas. Mainly because we need shooting, and both of them can shoot, Thomas seems like a gunner specialist of which weve lacked in previous years and Davis just seems like An all around package similar to norm, except it seems we're gonna use him as a pg which is great news. But honestly if norms competition is mccaw, mccaw should not steal one single minute from norm if norm is healthy unless it's garbage time.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#28 » by RaptorsNorth » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:39 pm

mathgeek wrote:Another option is to place Serge at the 4 and Siakam at the 3. We have huge holes at both SG and SF position but i have a feeling that Nurse will play a lot of small ball with Lowry and FVV at the 1 and 2 spot. As it stands right now unless we see a large improvement from OG, Stanley and maybe a surprise from one of the young guys, Davis? Thomas? We will be in that 5-7 range in the standings.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#29 » by NotMyKawhi » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:52 pm

RaptorsNorth wrote:
mathgeek wrote:Another option is to place Serge at the 4 and Siakam at the 3. We have huge holes at both SG and SF position but i have a feeling that Nurse will play a lot of small ball with Lowry and FVV at the 1 and 2 spot. As it stands right now unless we see a large improvement from OG, Stanley and maybe a surprise from one of the young guys, Davis? Thomas? We will be in that 5-7 range in the standings.
good option.


The only problem w this is Pascal has to be able to shoot from outside. All the 3's will just back way off him, beat him to the spot w speed and force him to shoot.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#30 » by SHFT » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:55 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:
SHFT wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:
He is what he is....actually would start him at SF. OG is def not the guy. My top 10 would be

Lowry
Thomas
Norm
Pascal
Gasol

FVV
Davis
OG
RHJ
Ibaka


What does that even mean lol. What about his night makes you think he is better suited for a 3 over a 2? Norm has historically shown he is not an NBA SF.


It means we know his ceiling. And norm is just a 3 due to us not having anyone else that can fill the role. We suck on the wing and anyone denying this is crazy. We lost our starting sG and sf. Its obvious


we're deep at PG and Bigs but our wings are below average at best
We dont know what his ceiling is because he has NEVER had a consistent run as a shooting guard. Norms splits are objectively better when he plays with the starters and his splits are better as a 2. If you think he isnt starting SG material for this season, why on earth would you move him to the 3 where we know for a fact he doesnt play well.

All to accomodate undrafted guys off 1 preseason game lol where again, Norm seemed to have a good game.

"We know his ceiling" lol. If anything, that should solidify his starter minutes until we can figure out what we have in TD and MT.

Gonna add as an edit if you know we are short on the wing, does it not make sense for you to start our strongest all around wing player in his best position?

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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#31 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:57 pm

Powell won't be here past the trade deadline. You can pretty much bet your house on that.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#32 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:26 pm

mathgeek wrote:Another option is to place Serge at the 4 and Siakam at the 3. We have huge holes at both SG and SF position but i have a feeling that Nurse will play a lot of small ball with Lowry and FVV at the 1 and 2 spot. As it stands right now unless we see a large improvement from OG, Stanley and maybe a surprise from one of the young guys, Davis? Thomas? We will be in that 5-7 range in the standings.


The problem is we don't have a back up C good enough if we run both Serge and Gasol in the front court. Boucher is more of a forward, and guys like Konate are not ready.

If we do want to run Serge and Marc, I think we should go pick up someone like Noah to be our back up C then.

I also wonder if we can run Malcom Miller as our Danny G replacement in the starting line up? Is Malcom Miller ready?
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#33 » by gregdj » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:26 pm

It's looking like
Lowry
Powell
O.G.
Siakam
Gasol

FVV
Davis
R.H.J
Boucher
Ibaka

I like this... The other new guys can fill the rest of the mins. I don't think Thomas should be eating Davis minutes at the 2. I'm calling a Davis breakout this yr, called it before preseason highlights :lol:
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#34 » by RaptorsNorth » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:38 pm

T-d0t wrote:Would start Davis and bring Thomas off the bench. Powell is a bench 2.
I've always said somebody is going to take powell's spot in the starting line up. He's just no consistent enough to say thats his spot for sure. He's going get the starting spot just based on the fact he paid his dues and he deserves the chance, but I would not be shocked to see him coming off the bench again.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#35 » by ItsDanger » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:00 pm

Biggest criticism of TD in college was turnovers, you can see that in this game.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#36 » by MadDogSHWA » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:13 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Biggest criticism of TD in college was turnovers, you can see that in this game.


Certainly something to keep an eye one. He had 5 assists and 2 turnovers in this game. Played the majority of his minutes at the 1.

I can see TD and FVV being a great bench tandem. Neither are true point guards but they can combine for enough playmaking.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#37 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:15 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Biggest criticism of TD in college was turnovers, you can see that in this game.


Yeah, just based on the videos up on Youtube, I do see TD sometimes make mistakes on both ends. His shot selection is also sometimes questionable. Hopefully a bit of coaching and experience can help correct his errors.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#38 » by Asif16 » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:31 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Powell won't be here past the trade deadline. You can pretty much bet your house on that.


lol dude our wing depth is already thin as it is. Chances of Powell being traded is minimal as it gets.

Not sure why you're betting your house on that
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#39 » by Zeno » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:36 pm

Based on the game today I was really encouraged by Norm as the starting 2 and OG at the 3, and that Davis,Thomas and maybe even Boucher could be part of the rotation.

McCaw and Hollis Jefferson weren't great and Stanley Johnson was horrible. I think only one of these three non-shooters can be in the rotation if we want the offense to be at all passable

I also liked what I saw from Malcolm Miller for the final roster spot and Oshae Brissett for one of the two ways.
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Re: Thomas and Davis 

Post#40 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:42 pm

Asif16 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Powell won't be here past the trade deadline. You can pretty much bet your house on that.


lol dude our wing depth is already thin as it is. Chances of Powell being traded is minimal as it gets.

Not sure why you're betting your house on that


Well I'm assuming if he gets traded that it'd be in a package for another SG like Beal, Harris, D-Lo, etc.
It'd also free up some more cap space for 2021.
I think TD will be capable of starting for us at the 2 by February, so even if we don't acquire a starting caliber SG (like the names mentioned above) then we can start TD. That's why at the same time I believe Powell is expendable.
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