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dontsettle4less wrote:1000% and to be honest I hope they do it for Derozen too. Without him we don't get Kawhi and what we built wouldn't have existed. These two are a big part of how we won this year. I will cherish that feeling and that moment forever.
dontsettle4less wrote:RoyceDa59 wrote:When it’s all said and done I think the Raptors will hang Kyle Lowrys lucky #7 jersey in the Rafters at Scotiabank Arena (ACC). Regardless of happens from here on out.
He’s a perfect comic book hero for our franchise and after bringing home our first Chip, I think he’s earned it as well.
Should the Raptors retire Lowrys #7 jersey?
1000% and to be honest I hope they do it for Derozen too. Without him we don't get Kawhi and what we built wouldn't have existed. These two are a big part of how we won this year. I will cherish that feeling and that moment forever.
Mikistan wrote:dontsettle4less wrote:RoyceDa59 wrote:When it’s all said and done I think the Raptors will hang Kyle Lowrys lucky #7 jersey in the Rafters at Scotiabank Arena (ACC). Regardless of happens from here on out.
He’s a perfect comic book hero for our franchise and after bringing home our first Chip, I think he’s earned it as well.
Should the Raptors retire Lowrys #7 jersey?
1000% and to be honest I hope they do it for Derozen too. Without him we don't get Kawhi and what we built wouldn't have existed. These two are a big part of how we won this year. I will cherish that feeling and that moment forever.
Should retire Bargnani and Poeltl's numbers too then
and Danny Green's
And Jonas Valanciunas'
And BC should get a star of appreciation
Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote:dontsettle4less wrote:
1000% and to be honest I hope they do it for Derozen too. Without him we don't get Kawhi and what we built wouldn't have existed. These two are a big part of how we won this year. I will cherish that feeling and that moment forever.
Should retire Bargnani and Poeltl's numbers too then
and Danny Green's
And Jonas Valanciunas'
And BC should get a star of appreciation
Derozan is a 5 time all-star that holds virtually every Raptors scoring record and was our leading scorer during our best years in franchise history and was great ambassador to the team for 9 years, the longest ever for a Raptors player.
He's not a true superstar, but he deserves his jersey retired.
Don't know why you are conflating Demar with Bargnani, Green and JV.
The disrespect is real.
Mikistan wrote:Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote:
Should retire Bargnani and Poeltl's numbers too then
and Danny Green's
And Jonas Valanciunas'
And BC should get a star of appreciation
Derozan is a 5 time all-star that holds virtually every Raptors scoring record and was our leading scorer during our best years in franchise history and was great ambassador to the team for 9 years, the longest ever for a Raptors player.
He's not a true superstar, but he deserves his jersey retired.
Don't know why you are conflating Demar with Bargnani, Green and JV.
The disrespect is real.
I am responding to the quote above - read it
The trade was not Demar for Kawhi - Demar + Poeltl + Pick got it done, as in Demar alone was not enough value to get Kawhi.
Poeltl was in there too -- which means "without him we don't get Kawhi" and how did we get Poeltl? Bargnani for a pick . So therefore Bargnani was indirectly part of the reason we got Kawhi.
You want to quote counting stats that help Derozan look better because of longevity? He lucked out because our rock-pounding coach thrust him into the 1A role when he didn't deserve it. We traded Volume for development to manufacture a max contract star and shipped him out the door when a real star was available. That was just smart Masai work - Demar doesn't develop to that contract unless Casey gave him minutes and shots from his rookie/sophmore year with no slaps on the wrist for bad play (until the playoffs when he gets even worse)
You want to say he was here for our best years? False, he was not here last year, and last year was our best year. Fact.
Demar disrespected the game - every single game - on the defensive end.
Thats the real disrespect.
Either way I don't hate Demar - I love Demar - he was good enough to help get us Kawhi - so he deserves praise for that and for "loyalty"
Loyalty to getting a near-max contract that no other team could offer him because of us.
Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote:Danny1616 wrote:
Derozan is a 5 time all-star that holds virtually every Raptors scoring record and was our leading scorer during our best years in franchise history and was great ambassador to the team for 9 years, the longest ever for a Raptors player.
He's not a true superstar, but he deserves his jersey retired.
Don't know why you are conflating Demar with Bargnani, Green and JV.
The disrespect is real.
I am responding to the quote above - read it
The trade was not Demar for Kawhi - Demar + Poeltl + Pick got it done, as in Demar alone was not enough value to get Kawhi.
Poeltl was in there too -- which means "without him we don't get Kawhi" and how did we get Poeltl? Bargnani for a pick . So therefore Bargnani was indirectly part of the reason we got Kawhi.
You want to quote counting stats that help Derozan look better because of longevity? He lucked out because our rock-pounding coach thrust him into the 1A role when he didn't deserve it. We traded Volume for development to manufacture a max contract star and shipped him out the door when a real star was available. That was just smart Masai work - Demar doesn't develop to that contract unless Casey gave him minutes and shots from his rookie/sophmore year with no slaps on the wrist for bad play (until the playoffs when he gets even worse)
You want to say he was here for our best years? False, he was not here last year, and last year was our best year. Fact.
Demar disrespected the game - every single game - on the defensive end.
Thats the real disrespect.
Either way I don't hate Demar - I love Demar - he was good enough to help get us Kawhi - so he deserves praise for that and for "loyalty"
Loyalty to getting a near-max contract that no other team could offer him because of us.
I never argued Demar should have his jersey retired based on him getting us Kawhi.
Demar deserves his jersey retired from his contributions from 2009-2018.
I'm not saying Demar is a superstar player, but in terms of contributions to the team and accomplishments, he along with Lowry did more than anyone in the organization.
When you take our 25 years of existence...the golden era was between 2014-2019. Demar was here for 5 of those years and led the team in scoring each year.
No one is disputing that Demar was given every opportunity to flourish and at times too much, but you cannot negate his accomplishments.
It's a really pathetic and weak argument you are making.
If we never won a championship, Demar would still be deserving of his jersey being retired.
Mikistan wrote:Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote: I am responding to the quote above - read it
The trade was not Demar for Kawhi - Demar + Poeltl + Pick got it done, as in Demar alone was not enough value to get Kawhi.
Poeltl was in there too -- which means "without him we don't get Kawhi" and how did we get Poeltl? Bargnani for a pick . So therefore Bargnani was indirectly part of the reason we got Kawhi.
You want to quote counting stats that help Derozan look better because of longevity? He lucked out because our rock-pounding coach thrust him into the 1A role when he didn't deserve it. We traded Volume for development to manufacture a max contract star and shipped him out the door when a real star was available. That was just smart Masai work - Demar doesn't develop to that contract unless Casey gave him minutes and shots from his rookie/sophmore year with no slaps on the wrist for bad play (until the playoffs when he gets even worse)
You want to say he was here for our best years? False, he was not here last year, and last year was our best year. Fact.
Demar disrespected the game - every single game - on the defensive end.
Thats the real disrespect.
Either way I don't hate Demar - I love Demar - he was good enough to help get us Kawhi - so he deserves praise for that and for "loyalty"
Loyalty to getting a near-max contract that no other team could offer him because of us.
I never argued Demar should have his jersey retired based on him getting us Kawhi.
Demar deserves his jersey retired from his contributions from 2009-2018.
I'm not saying Demar is a superstar player, but in terms of contributions to the team and accomplishments, he along with Lowry did more than anyone in the organization.
When you take our 25 years of existence...the golden era was between 2014-2019. Demar was here for 5 of those years and led the team in scoring each year.
No one is disputing that Demar was given every opportunity to flourish and at times too much, but you cannot negate his accomplishments.
It's a really pathetic and weak argument you are making.
If we never won a championship, Demar would still be deserving of his jersey being retired.
And I never argued demar should NOT have his jersey retired.
Really pathetic and weak tho, thanks for that
Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote:Danny1616 wrote:
I never argued Demar should have his jersey retired based on him getting us Kawhi.
Demar deserves his jersey retired from his contributions from 2009-2018.
I'm not saying Demar is a superstar player, but in terms of contributions to the team and accomplishments, he along with Lowry did more than anyone in the organization.
When you take our 25 years of existence...the golden era was between 2014-2019. Demar was here for 5 of those years and led the team in scoring each year.
No one is disputing that Demar was given every opportunity to flourish and at times too much, but you cannot negate his accomplishments.
It's a really pathetic and weak argument you are making.
If we never won a championship, Demar would still be deserving of his jersey being retired.
And I never argued demar should NOT have his jersey retired.
Really pathetic and weak tho, thanks for that
Yeah it's weak that you provided no substance to your argument and provided no context as well.
Demar is very deserving of getting his jersey retired based on statistics, accomplishments to the team success, longevity, scoring records, loyalty, relationship with the organization etc.
Your only argument is that Demar wasn't with us when we want a championship. There are many players who never won championships, let alone had the team success that Demar had, and got their jerseys retired.
Mikistan wrote:Danny1616 wrote:Mikistan wrote:
Should retire Bargnani and Poeltl's numbers too then
and Danny Green's
And Jonas Valanciunas'
And BC should get a star of appreciation
Derozan is a 5 time all-star that holds virtually every Raptors scoring record and was our leading scorer during our best years in franchise history and was great ambassador to the team for 9 years, the longest ever for a Raptors player.
He's not a true superstar, but he deserves his jersey retired.
Don't know why you are conflating Demar with Bargnani, Green and JV.
The disrespect is real.
I am responding to the quote above - read it
The trade was not Demar for Kawhi - Demar + Poeltl + Pick got it done, as in Demar alone was not enough value to get Kawhi.
Poeltl was in there too -- which means "without him we don't get Kawhi" and how did we get Poeltl? Bargnani for a pick . So therefore Bargnani was indirectly part of the reason we got Kawhi.
You want to quote counting stats that help Derozan look better because of longevity? He lucked out because our rock-pounding coach thrust him into the 1A role when he didn't deserve it. We traded Volume for development to manufacture a max contract star and shipped him out the door when a real star was available. That was just smart Masai work - Demar doesn't develop to that contract unless Casey gave him minutes and shots from his rookie/sophmore year with no slaps on the wrist for bad play (until the playoffs when he gets even worse)
You want to say he was here for our best years? False, he was not here last year, and last year was our best year. Fact.
Demar disrespected the game - every single game - on the defensive end.
Thats the real disrespect.
Either way I don't hate Demar - I love Demar - he was good enough to help get us Kawhi - so he deserves praise for that and for "loyalty"
Loyalty to getting a near-max contract that no other team could offer him because of us.
scirocco53 wrote:dontsettle4less wrote:1000% and to be honest I hope they do it for Derozen too. Without him we don't get Kawhi and what we built wouldn't have existed. These two are a big part of how we won this year. I will cherish that feeling and that moment forever.
Keeping it real right there. Lowry and DerRozan are the only players who deserve to get their jersey's retired. All others simply don't.
