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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#181 » by Mikistan » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:32 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Nurse is a better defensive coach than "defensive guru" Dwane Casey. Come at me.

calling out players via the media doesnt make you a better defensive coach lol. This isnt how you talk to nba players in today's age especially that bit about playoff intensity that part was cringeworthy. Nurse spoke like he was out there on the court during those games.

my source within the organization noted that

during training camp last week nurse stopped practice to cuss out some of the effort from the younger guys

this is an ongoing thing
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#182 » by vancouverBC » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm

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johanliebert wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Nurse is a better defensive coach than "defensive guru" Dwane Casey. Come at me.

calling out players via the media doesnt make you a better defensive coach lol. This isnt how you talk to nba players in today's age especially that bit about playoff intensity that part was cringeworthy. Nurse spoke like he was out there on the court during those games.

my source within the organization noted that

during training camp last week nurse stopped practice to cuss out some of the effort from the younger guys

this is an ongoing thing


Is this not looked at favorably by management?
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#183 » by Kid Canada » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:11 pm

I wouldn’t play either to start the year.

C:Gasol/Ibaka
PF: Siakam/Ibaka
SF: OG/Miller
SG: Norm/Mccaw
PG: Lowry/FVV

9 man rotation. Give Boucher spot minutes at the 4 if you have to go with 10 guys. We need shooters and both those guys cant shoot from 3. All of the 9 can defend so they dont need more defense.
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#184 » by Raps1103 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:14 pm

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SkillzFromThe6 wrote:I don't know if Nick Nurse was an elite coach before to y'all. But this small thing puts him in the elite head coaches for me.

I dunno how this makes him an elite coach.

This guy inherited a 59 win team with an improved roster and even then he was trying to outsmart himself every game. We'll see how calling out players his GM acquired via the media flies when this team becomes mediocre which may be very soon.


I’ll translate this post for everyone;

“Hey everyone ... look at me... I’m saying the exact opposite as everyone else!! Aren’t I different ? I’m so unique! I bet this will get a me a bunch of attention an replies! Nurse just won a Championship and ran through a couple juggernaut teams... but I’m gonna pretend that he’s still not good enough to impress me!!”
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#185 » by TheAlchemist » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:35 pm

Kid Canada wrote:I wouldn’t play either to start the year.

C:Gasol/Ibaka
PF: Siakam/Ibaka
SF: OG/Miller
SG: Norm/Mccaw
PG: Lowry/FVV

9 man rotation. Give Boucher spot minutes at the 4 if you have to go with 10 guys. We need shooters and both those guys cant shoot from 3. All of the 9 can defend so they dont need more defense.


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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#186 » by Raps1103 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:08 pm

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Kid Canada wrote:I wouldn’t play either to start the year.

C:Gasol/Ibaka
PF: Siakam/Ibaka
SF: OG/Miller
SG: Norm/Mccaw
PG: Lowry/FVV

9 man rotation. Give Boucher spot minutes at the 4 if you have to go with 10 guys. We need shooters and both those guys cant shoot from 3. All of the 9 can defend so they dont need more defense.


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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#187 » by omar36 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:18 pm

havnet been able to watch games/keep up with the team as much as i like but what exactly did these guys do lol for nurse to be this upset.

I respect him tho, some ppl wont listen sometimes
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#188 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:47 pm

Read on Twitter


Looks like Nurse isn’t really impressed

So the rotation is basically the 8 man we saw in the first half vs the Nets and McCaw

My only criticism would be that it’s relatively small and rebounding could be a issue

RHJ could help there but Nurse doesn’t seem to be a fan
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#189 » by Kingsway_fan » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:13 pm

.McCaw has not shown anything.. guy can't shoot... rather have thomas out there.
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#190 » by Dennis 37 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:28 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Nurse is a better defensive coach than "defensive guru" Dwane Casey. Come at me.

calling out players via the media doesnt make you a better defensive coach lol. This isnt how you talk to nba players in today's age especially that bit about playoff intensity that part was cringeworthy. Nurse spoke like he was out there on the court during those games.


Disgree.

These are not the starters he's calling out. In fact his starters will probably be pleased that the coach is going to be hard on new additions until they buy into the program.

It's a message to the league that the Raptors are not the soft inconsistent team of the past, that would shelter Bargnani from any and all criticism, but in later years would pull rookies off the court for tiny errors while leaving more experienced players on the floor, mistake after mistake after mistake.

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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#191 » by StopitLeo » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:32 pm

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Read on Twitter


Looks like Nurse isn’t really impressed

So the rotation is basically the 8 man we saw in the first half vs the Nets and McCaw

My only criticism would be that it’s relatively small and rebounding could be a issue

RHJ could help there but Nurse doesn’t seem to be a fan


Nurse was pretty spoiled with the rotation last year. Everyone was a two-way player with at minimum average defense, average 3 pt shooting, or both. We replaced two of our best two-way players with guys who can't shoot 3s, seem slow on the uptake as far as understanding the defensive schemes, and apparently aren't working as hard as needed and expected. That has to be very disappointing.

I'm not too worried about rebounding. We make up for some of the size with the high-level of athleticism guys like Pascal and OG possess. Plus, Gasol does a lot of his work rebounding by boxing out and not necessarily grabbing the board himself. That should help smaller guys like Fred, Norm, and Davis collect some rebounds.
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#192 » by nabbs » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 pm

I still think RHJ and Stanley will have roles to play. It's never a bad idea to have some defensive insurance should someone get hurt or get in to foul trouble.
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#193 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:38 pm

Raps1103 wrote:
johanliebert wrote:
SkillzFromThe6 wrote:I don't know if Nick Nurse was an elite coach before to y'all. But this small thing puts him in the elite head coaches for me.

I dunno how this makes him an elite coach.

This guy inherited a 59 win team with an improved roster and even then he was trying to outsmart himself every game. We'll see how calling out players his GM acquired via the media flies when this team becomes mediocre which may be very soon.


I’ll translate this post for everyone;

“Hey everyone ... look at me... I’m saying the exact opposite as everyone else!! Aren’t I different ? I’m so unique! I bet this will get a me a bunch of attention an replies! Nurse just won a Championship and ran through a couple juggernaut teams... but I’m gonna pretend that he’s still not good enough to impress me!!”


I agree. Johan's post was one of the worse of the preseason so far. I can't name an elite coach that doesn't call out their players. I can't even name a really good coach that doesn't.

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Kerr - check
Rivers - check
Spo - check

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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#194 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:43 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:
Read on Twitter


Looks like Nurse isn’t really impressed

So the rotation is basically the 8 man we saw in the first half vs the Nets and McCaw

My only criticism would be that it’s relatively small and rebounding could be a issue

RHJ could help there but Nurse doesn’t seem to be a fan


Nurse was pretty spoiled with the rotation last year. Everyone was a two-way player with at minimum average defense, average 3 pt shooting, or both. We replaced two of our best two-way players with guys who can't shoot 3s, seem slow on the uptake as far as understanding the defensive schemes, and apparently aren't working as hard as needed and expected. That has to be very disappointing.

I'm not too worried about rebounding. We make up for some of the size with the high-level of athleticism guys like Pascal and OG possess. Plus, Gasol does a lot of his work rebounding by boxing out and not necessarily grabbing the board himself. That should help smaller guys like Fred, Norm, and Davis collect some rebounds.


To be honest it seems like the majority of our rotation is still above average defenders with at least average jumpers.

OG and Fred specifically seem have to taken a leap in shooting. OG looking like a better catch and shoot guy. While Fred looks better off the dribble and seems to have added range. I’m buying Powell’s jumper too.

In that case Nurse is still spoiled for the top 7. Davis we need more of a sample size but I think he can be a 2 way player albeit with a high error rate on both ends.

McCaw i have a hard time buying offensively so far but Nurse obviously sees something in him so I guess we will se where that leads.

Now the 9 man is where nurse will probably have to lower his standards. RHJ I think can be a 2 way player but only as a roll man not a shooter. Of course idk what’s going on with his defensive issues as Nurse obviously has a problem with him on that end.

Boucher can maybe a 2 way player and he can certainly shoot. I think but his decision making on both ends is questionable at best and his defensive value mainly comes as a rim protector but against actual NBA players it’s tough to see.

Miller can be a 2 way player with a low error rate on both ends but it’s hard to find him minutes at the wing

Stanley and Thomas project more as specialists on one end.

So yeah it’s hard to see a solid 9th man and situational might be the best way to play it. Although if I had to pick one guy I’d lean towards RHJ
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#195 » by Kingsway_fan » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:45 pm

Kid Canada wrote:I wouldn’t play either to start the year.

C:Gasol/Ibaka
PF: Siakam/Ibaka
SF: OG/Miller
SG: Norm/Mccaw
PG: Lowry/FVV

9 man rotation. Give Boucher spot minutes at the 4 if you have to go with 10 guys. We need shooters and both those guys cant shoot from 3. All of the 9 can defend so they dont need more defense.


Nah...Miller and mccaw dont deserve minutes...
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#196 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:04 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:.McCaw has not shown anything.. guy can't shoot... rather have thomas out there.


Yup. McCaw had a brutal pre-season and wasn't good at all for us last year. I think this is a case where the coach just likes a player because he does exactly what he tells him. He hasn't earned or proven he deserves to be ahead of Davis, Thomas, RHJ or Miller.
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Post#197 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:44 pm

Not suggesting there is any tension between Nurse and Masai/Webster - but when a front office acquires players and then the coach sours on them and doesn't want to use them, questions get asked. What will eventually happen? Would Masai get rid of them?
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Post#198 » by fbalmeida » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:55 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Not suggesting there is any tension between Nurse and Masai/Webster - but when a front office acquires players and then the coach sours on them and doesn't want to use them, questions get asked. What will eventually happen? Would Masai get rid of them?


Meh. Not really. There was nothing left on the market and they were purchased with the appropriate caveats. There isn't a front office vs coaching dynamic. Masai runs a nicely oiled machine where everyone is consulted, and everyone is on the same page regarding where players are at in their development and the role they can play.
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Re: Nurse harshly criticizes RHJ and Stanley Johnson 

Post#199 » by rocky_da_best » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:58 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Not suggesting there is any tension between Nurse and Masai/Webster - but when a front office acquires players and then the coach sours on them and doesn't want to use them, questions get asked. What will eventually happen? Would Masai get rid of them?


Or maybe Masai/Webster sat down with Nurse in the offseason like good organizations do, they identified targets who were attainable after Kawhi/Green left, and took some swings. Some were strikes and some turned into base hits. Masai isn't an idiot. He can see if guys aren't buying into the program. If Nurse is coming out in the media talking **** about some new additions, then it's safe to say that's the internal thinking of most within the organization including Masai.

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