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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1841 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:16 pm

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casual_raps_fan wrote:I know this is completely off topic from the draft but I don't want to start a new thread and I like the group of people here and want to hear opinions.

Did anybody here watch Raptors 905 games this season? Admittedly, I didn't watch a single game this year and was wondering which prospects people like.

Bigs: Dewan Hernandez
Sagabe Konate
Henry Ellenson

Wings: Paul Watson
Oshae Brisset

Guards: Shamorie Ponds
Tyler Ennis

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I guess it would count as prospect watch.

I just don't get Oshae. To me he's like the forward version of McCaw; must be a practice star.

I like Watson, thus don't care as much to draft a swingman. Konate came back from injury and needs to prove himself still. I think Ellenson (23 years old) deserves a shot. He seems to be a late bloomer and needed more experience. I could see Ellenson be like Frank Kaminsky. Dewan needs more seasoning with the 905.

Oshae's numbers really aren't the greatest and he's pretty inconsistent but he's shown a bit of offense that seems encouraging. And when we were going through those key injuries during the season he was the only guy to actually get playing time I think nurse liked the hustle and defense he showed. It ultimately comes down to his shooting though.

Dewan getting injured for basically the whole season really sucked, it would have been a great chance to see what he's capable of while ibaka/Gasol missed games.
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Post#1842 » by Dalek » Thu Jul 2, 2020 8:42 pm

I really like having PF/C in the 28 range, but there are a number guards who could drop that would have to be drafted. One of my favs is Tyrell Terry. To get a scorer like this off the bench would be huge, and he is actually a very smart defender despite is weak body. I think this guy has a chance to be a star, or at least a Seth Curry level of scorer.

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Post#1843 » by Dalek » Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:56 pm

I may not be a huge Cassius Stanley backer, but man that kid can levitate.

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Post#1844 » by Psubs » Thu Jul 2, 2020 11:02 pm

Dalek wrote:I may not be a huge Cassius Stanley backer, but man that kid can levitate.

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He could be Derozan with 3pt shooting. :D
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Post#1845 » by JShuttlesworth » Yesterday 5:08 pm

I'm so curious to see where LaMelo goes in this draft. Where do you guys see him?

There's just so much I don't like about the guy. I don't like the way he plays, I've always questioned his shot selection, especially from behind the arc. Last year in the NBL he shot just 25.0% from long range taking 6.7 attempts per game. Just really bad numbers, it makes me question his decision making in general.

Lonzo, in comparison, shot 41.2% on on 5.4 attempts from behind the arc at UCLA (albeit from a closer distance), and 34.3% on his career from three in the NBA. Is LaMelo really a better shooter than his brother?

Does he really project to be any better than Lonzo in general? I just don't see it.

If you re-draft 2017 I think Lonzo would get taken as low as 9th. Why are people so high on Melo?
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Post#1846 » by mademan » Yesterday 5:12 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I'm so curious to see where LaMelo goes in this draft. Where do you guys see him?

There's just so much I don't like about the guy. I don't like the way he plays, I've always questioned his shot selection, especially from behind the arc. Last year in the NBL he shot just 25.0% from long range taking 6.7 attempts per game. Just really bad numbers, it makes me question his decision making in general.

Lonzo, in comparison, shot 41.2% on on 5.4 attempts from behind the arc at UCLA (albeit from a closer distance), and 34.3% on his career from three in the NBA. Is LaMelo really a better shooter than his brother?

Does he really project to be any better than Lonzo in general? I just don't see it.

If you re-draft 2017 I think Lonzo would get taken as low as 9th. Why are people so high on Melo?


He's decently bigger than Lonzo too (6'7 at 18 vs 6'5 and developed). The hope is that he's Ben Simmons with a decent jumpshot. Doesnt have to be a sniper, he just has to make people mildly respect his jumper.
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Post#1847 » by Mark_83 » Yesterday 5:19 pm

I'm locked in on Paul Reed at 28, but I don't know if he'll even make it there, despure sone mocks having him in the second.

Some team will surely see the same thing a lot of us do: an athletic, multiple-positional defender with untapped offensive upside.

If we can get him at 28 and buy and early second to get Tillman, our front court depth will be significantly bolstered.

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Ibaka / Gasol - Tillman
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Post#1848 » by HeadtopChunes » Yesterday 5:30 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I'm so curious to see where LaMelo goes in this draft. Where do you guys see him?

There's just so much I don't like about the guy. I don't like the way he plays, I've always questioned his shot selection, especially from behind the arc. Last year in the NBL he shot just 25.0% from long range taking 6.7 attempts per game. Just really bad numbers, it makes me question his decision making in general.

Lonzo, in comparison, shot 41.2% on on 5.4 attempts from behind the arc at UCLA (albeit from a closer distance), and 34.3% on his career from three in the NBA. Is LaMelo really a better shooter than his brother?

Does he really project to be any better than Lonzo in general? I just don't see it.

If you re-draft 2017 I think Lonzo would get taken as low as 9th. Why are people so high on Melo?


The main difference i see and what may gave Lamelo more upside is that Lamelos handle is already much better than Lonzos.

Lonzo couldn’t/can’t breakdown defenders and get to the rim, which is obviously really important for a point gaurd.

If Lamelo can get similarly as strong as Lonzo I think he can do much more as a playmaker.
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Post#1849 » by Dalek » Yesterday 6:15 pm

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JShuttlesworth wrote:I'm so curious to see where LaMelo goes in this draft. Where do you guys see him?

There's just so much I don't like about the guy. I don't like the way he plays, I've always questioned his shot selection, especially from behind the arc. Last year in the NBL he shot just 25.0% from long range taking 6.7 attempts per game. Just really bad numbers, it makes me question his decision making in general.

Lonzo, in comparison, shot 41.2% on on 5.4 attempts from behind the arc at UCLA (albeit from a closer distance), and 34.3% on his career from three in the NBA. Is LaMelo really a better shooter than his brother?

Does he really project to be any better than Lonzo in general? I just don't see it.

If you re-draft 2017 I think Lonzo would get taken as low as 9th. Why are people so high on Melo?


The main difference i see and what may gave Lamelo more upside is that Lamelos handle is already much better than Lonzos.

Lonzo couldn’t/can’t breakdown defenders and get to the rim, which is obviously really important for a point gaurd.

If Lamelo can get similarly as strong as Lonzo I think he can do much more as a playmaker.


I really like both Lamelo and Lonzo's feel for the game. Lamelo is a higher level prospect because he is more willing to make difficult passes and take shots at the end of the clock, and he also has a way stronger handle with more ability to shake defenders. I feel like Lonzo defers too much and plays pretty stiff, although given his strength and body he is a better defender currently.

Lamelo is only 18 so he has room to grow and a lot of people comment on his maturity. I am excited to see how coachable he is in the NBA. If he goes to a gong show like NY it could hurt his development but he will likely end up there. The Warriors make more sense so he can develop under Steph who he obviously models his game after. Of course, I hold out some hope that Toronto swoops in. He'd be a great guy to build around with Pascal.
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Post#1850 » by Syd-TK3 » Yesterday 11:12 pm

If raptors hypothetically had the 1st pick who would you guys choose?
Or would you trade it?
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Post#1851 » by HeadtopChunes » Yesterday 11:29 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:If raptors hypothetically had the 1st pick who would you guys choose?
Or would you trade it?


I’d probably try to trade it for a star, but if not top 5 would probably be

Anthony Edwards
Lamelo Ball
Tyrese Maxey
Theo Maledon
James Wiseman

Those are all guys id consider drafting first for this team.
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Post#1852 » by Mark_83 » Today 1:33 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:If raptors hypothetically had the 1st pick who would you guys choose?
Or would you trade it?


Trade it in package for Beal or take Edwards, Hayes, or Haliburton.
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Post#1853 » by BoyzNTheHood » Today 1:51 am

mademan wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I'm so curious to see where LaMelo goes in this draft. Where do you guys see him?

There's just so much I don't like about the guy. I don't like the way he plays, I've always questioned his shot selection, especially from behind the arc. Last year in the NBL he shot just 25.0% from long range taking 6.7 attempts per game. Just really bad numbers, it makes me question his decision making in general.

Lonzo, in comparison, shot 41.2% on on 5.4 attempts from behind the arc at UCLA (albeit from a closer distance), and 34.3% on his career from three in the NBA. Is LaMelo really a better shooter than his brother?

Does he really project to be any better than Lonzo in general? I just don't see it.

If you re-draft 2017 I think Lonzo would get taken as low as 9th. Why are people so high on Melo?


He's decently bigger than Lonzo too (6'7 at 18 vs 6'5 and developed). The hope is that he's Ben Simmons with a decent jumpshot. Doesnt have to be a sniper, he just has to make people mildly respect his jumper.


Nobody expects LaMelo to be Ben Simmons. The only thing they have in common is that they're both big guards. On the court they're polar opposites. LaMelo plays a perimeter based game, whereas Simmons plays on the interior. Simmons also plays great defense, whereas LaMelo barely plays any defense at all.

In my opinion, LaMelo will be lucky to get close to Simmons' level. Hell, he probably won't even be as good as Lonzo. I don't see what's so special about him. Like JShuttlesworth said, he has horrible shot selection. He has been hyped since he was a child and he shows a severe lack of maturity. Fame has definitely gone to his head.
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Post#1854 » by Syd-TK3 » Today 1:54 am

Mark_83 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:If raptors hypothetically had the 1st pick who would you guys choose?
Or would you trade it?


Trade it in package for Beal or take Edwards, Hayes, or Haliburton.

Yeah more than likely we'd probably consider trading it.
Wouldn't even have to be for a star could trade back too if there's someone they really like.

Edwards is my #1 and I always choose BPA so I'd take him even if Lamelo or even Wiseman might fit better long term
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Post#1855 » by Psubs » Today 2:09 am

I would trade #1, Stanley Johnson and Patrick McCaw for Jonas Valanciunas and #22.
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