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Post#2021 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:53 am

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Psubs wrote:Does anyone think that this draft is deep enough for Jordan Nwora to drop to #58?

I'd be good with Reed and Nwora.

Most 2nd round guys seem to be all over the place but I don't see him falling that low the draft isn't very deep on fowards.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901220-2020-nba-draft-buzz-whod-trade-up-for-lamelo-ball-top-prospect-slipping

Not sure how credible this is or even important with the draft months away and lottery not even decided. But they supposedly hearing a few things about the 1st round


If Maxey falls out the lottery i hope we grab him, would be a great fit.

He seems like a perfect fit for orlando so idk about those chances
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Post#2022 » by Dalek » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:35 pm

Paul Eboua empty gym hype film.

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He has good size and moves well, and nice music to set the mood.
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Post#2023 » by Psubs » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:44 pm

Dalek wrote:Paul Eboua empty gym hype film.

Read on Twitter


He has good size and moves well, and nice music to set the mood.


1 year from being 1 year away.

I'd rather sign Bruno to a 1 year deal with 2nd year team option. Get him for his age 26 and 27 years. He should be nearing his prime.

He'd be more useful than Stanley Johnson, Malcolm Miller, Oshae Brissett or even McCaw. Assuming that RHJ gets a raise, let him go.

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Post#2025 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:41 pm


Lol I wouldn't draft Vernon Carey period.
There's zero chance Kira drops past 20 but that would be the dumbest decision ever
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Post#2026 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:03 am



theres like a ~20 spot gap between them on my board lol
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Post#2028 » by Dalek » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:32 pm

In watching the Raptors again, the template is pretty obvious. For players to get on the court, they have to be high level defenders, able to switch on the fly and make the correct reads to help. A guy like RHJ, which is pretty terrible on offense, gets his minutes because he is a strong defender who can swing the ball on offense, offensive rebound and shoot it from close well.

RHJ is not likely to come back. I just don't see any improvement in the future, and he has been a bit temperamental over the past year. He looks like he has turned a corner, but I don't think Toronto will invest in such a non-shooter.

For the draft, I usually have focused on two-way players and stretchy type bigs, but maybe a dominant defender would entice Toronto.

In looking at Tyler Bey, he looks like an advanced version of RHJ. Good size with a plus 7ft wingspan. Maybe more athletic and a better finisher than RHJ, and he just seems like a guy who knows his role. Played in the post all of college, and only took a handful of threes, but he hit them well and he made his jumpshots when they were available.

The Stepien wrote about Bey: Not much of a shooter, but there is reason to buy the shot. On a very small sample size, he is 21/44 on all jumpers (62.5% adjusted FG%), 9/22 on all no dribble jumpers (52.3% adjusted FG%), and is a career 75% FT shooter on 372 attempts.




Paul Reed is the closest competitor to Bey, but I still think his jumpshot is further behind, and his size looks more like a full-time PF and not a SF on the next level. I could see Toronto's interest, but Bey seems like a more obvious fit as a guy who can immediately play some bench minutes.
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Post#2029 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:12 pm

I am onboard with Bey if his nickname is Dat Boy Bey.
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Post#2030 » by Dalek » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:22 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:I am onboard with Bey if his nickname is Dat Boy Bey.


Ha ha! From his twitter handle he appears to be TBiddies. Here is some T Biddies in draft workout mode.

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Post#2031 » by Dalek » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:27 pm



105 invites have gone out to players to come to the Combine.

Precious Achiuwa Memphis
Ty-Shon Alexander Creighton
Cole Anthony North Carolina
Deni Avdija Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel)
Joel Ayayi Gonzaga
Udoka Azubuike Kansas
Kamar Baldwin Butler
Lamelo Ball Chino Hills HS (CA)/Illawarra (Oceania)
Desmond Bane TCU
Saddiq Bey Villanova
Tyler Bey Colorado
Leandro Bolmaro Barcelona (Spain)
Jared Butler Baylor
Vernon Carey Jr. Duke
Yoeli Childs BYU
Kofi Cockburn Illinois
Mamadi Diakite Virginia
Lamine Diane CSUN
Kristian Doolittle Oklahoma
Ayo Dosunmu Illinois
Devon Dotson Kansas
Paul Eboua Pesaro (Italy)
Anthony Edwards Georgia
CJ Elleby Washington State
Steven Enoch Louisville
Malik Fitts St. Mary’s
Malachi Flynn San Diego State
Jordan Ford Saint Mary’s
Trent Forrest Florida State
Luka Garza Iowa
Freddie Gillespie Baylor
Josh Green Arizona
Ashton Hagans Kentucky
Tyrese Haliburton Iowa State
Josh Hall Moravian Prep (NC)
Rayshaun Hammonds Georgia
R.J. Hampton Little Elm HS (TX)/New Zealand Breakers (Oceania)
Jalen Harris Nevada
Killian Hayes Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Aaron Henry Michigan State
Markus Howard Marquette
Elijah Hughes Syracuse
Isaiah Joe Arkansas
Mason Jones Arkansas
Tre Jones Duke
Tyrique Jones Xavier
Corey Kispert Gonzaga
Nathan Knight William & Mary
Vit Krejci Zaragoza (Spain)
A.J. Lawson South Carolina
Saben Lee Vanderbilt
Kira Lewis Jr. Alabama
Makur Maker Pacific Academy (CA)
Theo Maledon ASVEL (France)
Sandro Mamukelashvili Seton Hall
Karim Mane Vanier (Canada)
Nico Mannion Arizona
Naji Marshall Xavier
Kenyon Martin Jr. IMG Academy (FL)
Tyrese Maxey Kentucky
Skylar Mays LSU
Jaden McDaniels Washington
Sam Merrill Utah State
Abdoulaye N’Doye Cholet (France)
Aaron Nesmith Vanderbilt
Zeke Nnaji Arizona
Jordan Nwora Louisville
Onyeka Okongwu USC
Isaac Okoro Auburn
Daniel Oturu Minnesota
Reggie Perry Mississippi State
Filip Petrusev Gonzaga
John Petty Jr. Alabama
Aleksej Pokusevski Olympiacos (Greece)
Yves Pons Tennessee
Myles Powell Seton Hall
Payton Pritchard Oregon
Immanuel Quickley Kentucky
Jahmi’us Ramsey Texas Tech
Paul Reed Jr. DePaul
Nick Richards Kentucky
Grant Riller Charleston
Jayden Scrubb John A. Logan College (IL)
Marko Simonovic Mega Bemax (Serbia)
Chris Smith UCLA
Jalen Smith Maryland
Cassius Stanley Duke
Lamar Stevens Penn State
Isaiah Stewart Washington
Tyrell Terry Stanford
Killian Tillie Gonzaga
Xavier Tillman Sr. Michigan State
Tres Tinkle Oregon State
Obidiah Toppin Dayton
Breein Tyree Ole Miss
Devin Vassell Florida State
Trendon Watford LSU
Kaleb Wesson Ohio State
Kahlil Whitney Kentucky
Austin Wiley Auburn
Patrick Williams Florida State
Cassius Winston Michigan State
James Wiseman Memphis
Robert Woodard II Mississippi State
Omer Yurtseven Georgetown


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Post#2032 » by Raptorfan2012 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:41 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29544380/nba-owners-current-financial-turmoil-portends-future-payroll-problems

"I suspect first-round picks will be for sale in this draft," one team executive said. "We haven't really seen that in a decade." The last first-round pick to be sold was in 2013 by the Denver Nuggets (the Utah Jazz selected Rudy Gobert at 27th).

Masai should be rubbing his hands in delight. With a weaker draft, teams may be more willing to sell their picks. Hopefully MLSE spends some of their Championship-run cash and net us a few more young talent; we can use some cheap talent with guys like FVV, Ibaka, Gasol, and Norm hitting FA soon.
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Post#2033 » by Psubs » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:49 pm

Bane and Stanley should be helped having a combine, to show other abilities to outshine their short wingspans.
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Post#2034 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:48 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:I am onboard with Bey if his nickname is Dat Boy Bey.


Ha ha! From his twitter handle he appears to be TBiddies. Here is some T Biddies in draft workout mode.

Read on Twitter


Is he a SF ? I gotta do my research. I like that clip
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Post#2035 » by GM89 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:29 pm

Dalek wrote:In watching the Raptors again, the template is pretty obvious. For players to get on the court, they have to be high level defenders, able to switch on the fly and make the correct reads to help. A guy like RHJ, which is pretty terrible on offense, gets his minutes because he is a strong defender who can swing the ball on offense, offensive rebound and shoot it from close well.

RHJ is not likely to come back. I just don't see any improvement in the future, and he has been a bit temperamental over the past year. He looks like he has turned a corner, but I don't think Toronto will invest in such a non-shooter.

For the draft, I usually have focused on two-way players and stretchy type bigs, but maybe a dominant defender would entice Toronto.

In looking at Tyler Bey, he looks like an advanced version of RHJ. Good size with a plus 7ft wingspan. Maybe more athletic and a better finisher than RHJ, and he just seems like a guy who knows his role. Played in the post all of college, and only took a handful of threes, but he hit them well and he made his jumpshots when they were available.

The Stepien wrote about Bey: Not much of a shooter, but there is reason to buy the shot. On a very small sample size, he is 21/44 on all jumpers (62.5% adjusted FG%), 9/22 on all no dribble jumpers (52.3% adjusted FG%), and is a career 75% FT shooter on 372 attempts.




Paul Reed is the closest competitor to Bey, but I still think his jumpshot is further behind, and his size looks more like a full-time PF and not a SF on the next level. I could see Toronto's interest, but Bey seems like a more obvious fit as a guy who can immediately play some bench minutes.


Yeah his offensive highlights do resemble RHJ for better or worse. I guess one of the best case scenarios for him would be something like RHJ level defense combined with being able to make set 3pt shots at a solid rate basically making him Robert Covington who is a proven valuable piece for a playoff team.

I am kind of curious why mocks have Tyler Bey higher than someone like Robert Woodard? Woodard is a better 3pt shooter and is 2 years younger.
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Post#2036 » by Syd-TK3 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:04 pm

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Dalek wrote:In watching the Raptors again, the template is pretty obvious. For players to get on the court, they have to be high level defenders, able to switch on the fly and make the correct reads to help. A guy like RHJ, which is pretty terrible on offense, gets his minutes because he is a strong defender who can swing the ball on offense, offensive rebound and shoot it from close well.

RHJ is not likely to come back. I just don't see any improvement in the future, and he has been a bit temperamental over the past year. He looks like he has turned a corner, but I don't think Toronto will invest in such a non-shooter.

For the draft, I usually have focused on two-way players and stretchy type bigs, but maybe a dominant defender would entice Toronto.

In looking at Tyler Bey, he looks like an advanced version of RHJ. Good size with a plus 7ft wingspan. Maybe more athletic and a better finisher than RHJ, and he just seems like a guy who knows his role. Played in the post all of college, and only took a handful of threes, but he hit them well and he made his jumpshots when they were available.

The Stepien wrote about Bey: Not much of a shooter, but there is reason to buy the shot. On a very small sample size, he is 21/44 on all jumpers (62.5% adjusted FG%), 9/22 on all no dribble jumpers (52.3% adjusted FG%), and is a career 75% FT shooter on 372 attempts.




Paul Reed is the closest competitor to Bey, but I still think his jumpshot is further behind, and his size looks more like a full-time PF and not a SF on the next level. I could see Toronto's interest, but Bey seems like a more obvious fit as a guy who can immediately play some bench minutes.


Yeah his offensive highlights do resemble RHJ for better or worse. I guess one of the best case scenarios for him would be something like RHJ level defense combined with being able to make set 3pt shots at a solid rate basically making him Robert Covington who is a proven valuable piece for a playoff team.

I am kind of curious why mocks have Tyler Bey higher than someone like Robert Woodard? Woodard is a better 3pt shooter and is 2 years younger.

It's mainly because of defense. Bey is better, more impactful and more versatile.
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Post#2037 » by Dalek » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:33 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:I am onboard with Bey if his nickname is Dat Boy Bey.


Ha ha! From his twitter handle he appears to be TBiddies. Here is some T Biddies in draft workout mode.

Read on Twitter


Is he a SF ? I gotta do my research. I like that clip


Yup. He is a SF, but he played more of PF role in college. The guy is a huge athlete who almost always double pumps before dunking. Definitely will be in Toronto's range at 28.
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Post#2038 » by Psubs » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:34 pm

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Yeah his offensive highlights do resemble RHJ for better or worse. I guess one of the best case scenarios for him would be something like RHJ level defense combined with being able to make set 3pt shots at a solid rate basically making him Robert Covington who is a proven valuable piece for a playoff team.

I am kind of curious why mocks have Tyler Bey higher than someone like Robert Woodard? Woodard is a better 3pt shooter and is 2 years younger.


Bey won DPOY in his conference. Woodard seems like an above average defender but size-wise may be like PJ Tucker. Neither have that many attempt from 3 but they might use FT shooting as an indicator to pro success from deep; where Woodard is 65% and Bey is 75%.
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Post#2039 » by Dalek » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:01 am

GM89 wrote:
Dalek wrote:In watching the Raptors again, the template is pretty obvious. For players to get on the court, they have to be high level defenders, able to switch on the fly and make the correct reads to help. A guy like RHJ, which is pretty terrible on offense, gets his minutes because he is a strong defender who can swing the ball on offense, offensive rebound and shoot it from close well.

RHJ is not likely to come back. I just don't see any improvement in the future, and he has been a bit temperamental over the past year. He looks like he has turned a corner, but I don't think Toronto will invest in such a non-shooter.

For the draft, I usually have focused on two-way players and stretchy type bigs, but maybe a dominant defender would entice Toronto.

In looking at Tyler Bey, he looks like an advanced version of RHJ. Good size with a plus 7ft wingspan. Maybe more athletic and a better finisher than RHJ, and he just seems like a guy who knows his role. Played in the post all of college, and only took a handful of threes, but he hit them well and he made his jumpshots when they were available.

The Stepien wrote about Bey: Not much of a shooter, but there is reason to buy the shot. On a very small sample size, he is 21/44 on all jumpers (62.5% adjusted FG%), 9/22 on all no dribble jumpers (52.3% adjusted FG%), and is a career 75% FT shooter on 372 attempts.




Paul Reed is the closest competitor to Bey, but I still think his jumpshot is further behind, and his size looks more like a full-time PF and not a SF on the next level. I could see Toronto's interest, but Bey seems like a more obvious fit as a guy who can immediately play some bench minutes.


Yeah his offensive highlights do resemble RHJ for better or worse. I guess one of the best case scenarios for him would be something like RHJ level defense combined with being able to make set 3pt shots at a solid rate basically making him Robert Covington who is a proven valuable piece for a playoff team.

I am kind of curious why mocks have Tyler Bey higher than someone like Robert Woodard? Woodard is a better 3pt shooter and is 2 years younger.


Woodard is a good player with better spot-up shooting numbers, but Bey might be better in a few ways. Bey is a better quick-twitch athlete IMO and he will be able to guard guards, wings and smaller bigs in the NBA. Plus, Bey rebounded at an elite level, while Woodard was solid but not in the range of Bey (although that might be in part to role). I just think Toronto would see him as a nice complimentary player that plugs right into their scheme. RHJ plays PF at times, which Bey would likely be able to slide into at times.
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Post#2040 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:30 am

Could the Raptors potentially sign Breein Tyree as another undrafted free agent out of Ole Miss?



Showed significant growth each season in his four years at Ole Miss. Of course he was friends/teammates with Terence Davis, so there's a connection there.

He's been invited to the combine as well. Reminds me of CJ McCollum. Similar measurements as well.

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