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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2461 » by BallstriKer » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:20 am

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casual_raps_fan wrote:The Ringer's most recent update to their mock draft has us selecting Theo Maledon. :o
https://nbadraft.theringer.com


there are so many things that i disagree with in regards to this mock draft

No way Killian Hayes goes 1! regardless of whoever has the draft pick!
I cant imagine Daniel Oturu and Vernon Carny JR dropping to 48 & 49
You're looking at his big board. You have to select the mock draft. Lamelo is #1 in his mock draft, while Hayes falls to #7.

Having said that, I'd be all in on Maledon if he falls to us.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2462 » by casual_raps_fan » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:26 am

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WeTheNorth123 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:The Ringer's most recent update to their mock draft has us selecting Theo Maledon. :o
https://nbadraft.theringer.com


there are so many things that i disagree with in regards to this mock draft

No way Killian Hayes goes 1! regardless of whoever has the draft pick!
I cant imagine Daniel Oturu and Vernon Carny JR dropping to 48 & 49
You're looking at his big board. You have to select the mock draft. Lamelo is #1 in his mock draft, while Hayes falls to #7.

Having said that, I'd be all in on Maledon if he falls to us.

Yeah. Sorry for the way the link is. You have to click on draft version 9.8 to see his most recent version.
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Post#2463 » by WeTheNorth123 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:31 am

I really want to get this guy but im sure he is going to be gone by the time we pick......in all honestly, he's not that much worst of a prospect than lamelo ball

i think he will be a steal

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Post#2464 » by casual_raps_fan » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:32 am

My wish for our 1st round pick is....
1a) Well rounded guard with ball handling, some shot creation, can shoot 3s, defence (targets may include Maledon, Bane, Bolmaro, Dotson)
1b) Shot creator, isolation scoring skills, high level shooting skills, high level offensive skills (???)

Who do you guys think are our possible options for the 1b type of player? The ones that come to mind in that type of mold would be Tyrell Terry or Grant Riller.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2465 » by DG88 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:40 am

WeTheNorth123 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:The Ringer's most recent update to their mock draft has us selecting Theo Maledon. :o
https://nbadraft.theringer.com


there are so many things that i disagree with in regards to this mock draft

No way Killian Hayes goes 1! regardless of whoever has the draft pick!
I cant imagine Daniel Oturu and Vernon Carny JR dropping to 48 & 49

That's their big board. That's just a prospect rank board. Beside that they have the mock draft section which they updated.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2466 » by DG88 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:42 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:My wish for our 1st round pick is....
1a) Well rounded guard with ball handling, some shot creation, can shoot 3s, defence (targets may include Maledon, Bane, Bolmaro, Dotson)
1b) Shot creator, isolation scoring skills, high level shooting skills, high level offensive skills (???)

Who do you guys think are our possible options for the 1b type of player? The ones that come to mind in that type of mold would be Tyrell Terry or Grant Riller.

We can get a 1a player that you're looking for in this draft. The 1b player is probably coming from the 2021 draft, which is slated to have deep wing talent.
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Post#2467 » by nabbs » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:54 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:My wish for our 1st round pick is....
1a) Well rounded guard with ball handling, some shot creation, can shoot 3s, defence (targets may include Maledon, Bane, Bolmaro, Dotson)
1b) Shot creator, isolation scoring skills, high level shooting skills, high level offensive skills (???)

Who do you guys think are our possible options for the 1b type of player? The ones that come to mind in that type of mold would be Tyrell Terry or Grant Riller.



Theo Maledon or Dotson fit the first mold

Isaiah Joe and Grant Riller are the best self creators and shot makers in the second round. The issue is neither will be around at 59. Would have to acquire an early to mid second rounder to get them
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Post#2468 » by Dalek » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:05 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:My wish for our 1st round pick is....
1a) Well rounded guard with ball handling, some shot creation, can shoot 3s, defence (targets may include Maledon, Bane, Bolmaro, Dotson)
1b) Shot creator, isolation scoring skills, high level shooting skills, high level offensive skills (???)

Who do you guys think are our possible options for the 1b type of player? The ones that come to mind in that type of mold would be Tyrell Terry or Grant Riller.


I think you are correct for above average bench scorers in Terry and Riller, though Terry cannot create for himself at all. He is more of a catch and shoot guy like Matt Thomas at this stage.

1a) would be Ty-Shon Alexander. He isn't rated as high on most mocks, but he has point of attack defense, decent ballhandlling, and hit from 40% from three on good volume. Desmond Bane is in the same range as Alexander and is more favoured by the draft crowd. Both remind me a bit of Malcolm Brogdon. I give TSA the edge because he was a force defensively.

1b) would be Elijah Hughes - first in ISO scoring in the ACC and can score from three levels. He could fall into the first category but the Cuse zone makes it hard to tell if he is a good defender. He did have 26 blocks as a SG. Mason Jones is super crafty and reminds me of a slightly smaller TJ Warren being able to score it from all levels using crafty rather than athleticism. The best scorer in the draft is Marcus Howard perfect for round 2.

The guys I don't have complete reads on but could be high reward guys are Cassius Stanley and RJ Hampton. They are huge athletes that are fairly young and could in time gain the skill to be premium slashers. Stanley barely was given the ball at Duke. He was completely dependent on someone one passing to him to score, but in pick-up games he looks like he could handle it a bit. Hampton looks like he just needs to get built a bit more to be strong enough for the NBA.
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Post#2469 » by DG88 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:34 pm

The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464
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Post#2470 » by Mark_83 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:19 pm

DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464

I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.
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Post#2471 » by GM89 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:24 pm

DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464


Either Masai knows something about his injuries or he is betting on Alex McKechnie to work his magic again. Then again if it works out this will be another OG like steal.

Either way we need more floor spacers. We saw how much the team and especially Pascal struggled against the Celtics when Gasol was struggling to generate any offense.
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Post#2472 » by Psubs » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:26 pm

DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464


I don't think Ryan Anderson 2.0 would be a good fit.

I see Isaiah Joe in the 1st round. I think he's Jamal Crawford 2.0.

I can see Maledon being like Nate McMillan.
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Post#2473 » by GM89 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:31 pm

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DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464

I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.


I am not sure if bulking will be right for Tillie seeing that he has a history of foot injuries. For defensive and health purposes he should focus on staying as nimble as possible.

I think his natural position is a floor spacing 4 or a small ball 5 which is fine because most teams go small in crunch time anyways. Even elite bigs like Embid cannot keep up with 5 out small and speedy lineups.

The point is Lowery, VanVleet and most importantly Pascal need space to drive and Tillie should theoretically provide that. Likewise, we will need plenty of floor spacers if Giannis does decide to come here.
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Post#2474 » by Indeed » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:36 pm

Mark_83 wrote:
DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464

I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.


His wingspan is not going to make him a C, more of a SF wingspan at 6'10.
Siakam at 7'3 wingspan would be a borderline C for contesting shots at rim.
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Post#2475 » by Psubs » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:41 pm

Indeed wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
DG88 wrote:The Ringer updated their mock draft again after last night. Has us taking Killian Tillie from Gonzaga

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.216025950.93885276.1600042965-999866716.1597951464

I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.


His wingspan is not going to make him a C, more of a SF wingspan at 6'10.
Siakam at 7'3 wingspan would be a borderline C for contesting shots at rim.


Tillie is more like a fluid version of Matt Bonner.
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Post#2476 » by GM89 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:48 pm

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Indeed wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.


His wingspan is not going to make him a C, more of a SF wingspan at 6'10.
Siakam at 7'3 wingspan would be a borderline C for contesting shots at rim.


Tillie is more like a fluid version of Matt Bonner.


Is it really a negative to compare a late first round prospect to Matt Bonner or Ryan Anderson? Both had decade long careers. Even someone like Bertans is scheduled for a significant pay raise literately just because he is tall and can shoot well.
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Post#2477 » by Psubs » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:51 pm

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Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
His wingspan is not going to make him a C, more of a SF wingspan at 6'10.
Siakam at 7'3 wingspan would be a borderline C for contesting shots at rim.


Tillie is more like a fluid version of Matt Bonner.


Is it really a negative to compare a late first round prospect to Matt Bonner or Ryan Anderson? Both had decade long careers. Even someone like Bertans is scheduled for a significant pay raise literately just because he is tall and can shoot well.


I don't think it's a negative but for a contender, will he help them win a championship? I guess he could help like Duncan Robinson in Miami. I guess the goal is to get a Draymond, Siakam, etc.

Other recent late 1st picks / early 2nds.

Kabengele
Keldon Johnson
Jalen Brunson
Mitchell Robinson
Kyle Kuzma
Tony Bradley
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Dejonte Murray
Malcom Brogdon
Montrezl Harrell
Richaun Holmes
Josh Richardson

If the Raptors can draft a player like any of these, then I'd be okay.
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Post#2478 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:59 pm

BallstriKer wrote:
WeTheNorth123 wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:The Ringer's most recent update to their mock draft has us selecting Theo Maledon. :o
https://nbadraft.theringer.com


there are so many things that i disagree with in regards to this mock draft

No way Killian Hayes goes 1! regardless of whoever has the draft pick!
I cant imagine Daniel Oturu and Vernon Carny JR dropping to 48 & 49
You're looking at his big board. You have to select the mock draft. Lamelo is #1 in his mock draft, while Hayes falls to #7.

Having said that, I'd be all in on Maledon if he falls to us.


they have us taking Killian Tillie

he's 6'10" with a 3 point stroke, great BBIQ - Great pickup for a 2nd rounder for sure (or undrafted signee). but injury concerns are up the wazoo.

Lottery talent with a game built for the NBA, but his injury history is concerning.


MINUSES
Endured a litany of injuries and surgeries at Gonzaga, including knee surgery, a torn ligament in his foot, a stress fracture in his ankle, a hip pointer, and sprained ankles.
Lost some of his mobility defending on the perimeter due to his injuries.
Not an effective rebounder for his size.
Underwhelming athlete: He’s not a threatening rim protector due to his lack of length and verticality.
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raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#2479 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:05 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:I love Tillie's game. Is there any way he can bulk up enough to play the 5? He reminds me of a minnie, poor man's Gasol.


His wingspan is not going to make him a C, more of a SF wingspan at 6'10.
Siakam at 7'3 wingspan would be a borderline C for contesting shots at rim.


Tillie is more like a fluid version of Matt Bonner.


i would not take him with the first rounder with those injuries + older than most players in the draft - he's a senior. but if he was in the 2nd round (i.e. we should know if he's there at the end of the draft since we have the 2nd last pick) - we should definitely pick him up and see what he can do in the summer league and g-league.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#2480 » by nabbs » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:09 pm

The more I look at this draft, Masai should really look to trade down. It will help with financial flexibility and with talent accumulation. There are a lot of good rotation guys that can contribute, that will be available in the 2nd. The Raps have to sniff out a team that really likes a player and said team has to convince themselves that player won't be available past 29.

Atlanta and Philly have multiple early 2nds.
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