Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[JYD]

During the season his highlights made him looks soft. He's been hitting the weights and looks much better. That alone boosts him from early 2nd to late 1st pick. Sometimes players don't make that change.

Sorry you mean Nanji or Tillman?

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Other fans like Celtics fans are aware of it, so I am not surprised his stock is going up. I think Celtics also needs size.

[Dalek]

He won't make it down to us.

I guess that it is possible, but a lot of mocks have him in Toronto's range:

Tankathon (20)
Yahoo (24)
NBAdraft (26)
Bleacher (27)
ESPN (29)
SI (29)
CBS (37 Boone; not in top 30 Parrish)
Ringer (not listed in top 30)
Athletic (45)

I know his age is appealing for GMs, but he does have warts like overall defensive IQ, freethrow %, and finishing ability at the rim. I think it is all fixable, but some GMs may not see the upside.

Yeah I wouldn't say he's my guy, I don't think he's a perfect Raptors fit with limited defensive IQ and he's not the greatest passer but he's young and has the raw skills that could make a GM look like a genious for taking him. That's why I can't see him dropping to us. If some team thinks they can turn him into another Dovovan Mitchell or even Norm then that's it.

You just mentioned the exact draft prospect I have been obsessing over lately. I remember Donovan Mitchell during his Louisville days and he was far from where he is now. He wasn't a great shooter, he didn't have the advanced handle he has now. He did have that swag and ability to try NBA level things like eurosteps and stepbacks.

That is what I have been looking for and I think Ramsey has got that Spida Mitchell edge to him. I see similar things with Saben Lee and Jalen Harris. I just think Ramsey is way ahead of those guys based on age.

I agree with you his defensive IQ might not be a Raptor's fit, but he does want to play good defensive and his one on one defense is pretty decent. He is toolsy in a good way overall.

[Indeed]

When is the last time masai even picked somebody we mention on here ? Masai will probably pick a player we’ve never heard of.

In the 1st round, Delon Wright, Poeltl, and OG especially were popular options among raptors fans. Bruno was really random and I don’t remember many people talking about Siakam though.

Ya it was pretty much Poeltl or Sabonis. I was hoping for Sabonis, though the thought around the board was with his short wingspan couldn't play C. Fastforward with the league going small, he can play C. SA need a C so Poeltl did his part.

Everyone mentioned OG as a hopeful to drop and amazed that he did. Delon was a safe pick as the thought was he was his brother with PG skills and would stick in the league for a while. Perhaps even becoming Alvin Williams with range.

Wright and Poeltl are the only ones expecting to be draft at that range. Meanwhile, I am not seeing Poeltl being a starting C, and he was a net negative on advance stats when we traded him.

Poeltl scouting report:

Where does Poeltl fit in today’s NBA?

At 7-foot-1, 239 pounds, with a 7-foot-2 wingspan, he has the requisite measurables for a player at his position, but Poeltl will be drafted with the notion of being a traditional center, and in that context, he is relatively undersized. His build, which was imposing in college, will look average against starting centers like DeAndre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, Marc Gasol, and DeMarcus Cousins. Teams will be drafting him with the expectation that he becomes a starting center, but his success in that role will rely on his ability to fully leverage his physicality, something he couldn’t consistently demonstrate in college game film. He’s not a stiff by any means, but he’s neither exceptionally quick nor strong, and he doesn’t play much above the rim. His effectiveness in the low post may not necessarily translate when going up against higher-level competition.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/6/21/16041310/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965

Meanwhile, Wright bought a lot of advance ball handling skills to the team, so even his shooting did not pan out, I think we have a few players learned from him in ball handling. At the end, it is not a bad pick.

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Already posted and discussed for half a page:
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Other fans like Celtics fans are aware of it, so I am not surprised his stock is going up. I think Celtics also needs size.

I was sharing a tweet reporting that the Raptors interviewed him. My bad if it was already shared, didn't see it.

[casual_raps_fan]

In the 1st round, Delon Wright, Poeltl, and OG especially were popular options among raptors fans. Bruno was really random and I don’t remember many people talking about Siakam though.

Ya it was pretty much Poeltl or Sabonis. I was hoping for Sabonis, though the thought around the board was with his short wingspan couldn't play C. Fastforward with the league going small, he can play C. SA need a C so Poeltl did his part.

Everyone mentioned OG as a hopeful to drop and amazed that he did. Delon was a safe pick as the thought was he was his brother with PG skills and would stick in the league for a while. Perhaps even becoming Alvin Williams with range.

Wright and Poeltl are the only ones expecting to be draft at that range. Meanwhile, I am not seeing Poeltl being a starting C, and he was a net negative on advance stats when we traded him.

Poeltl scouting report:

Where does Poeltl fit in today’s NBA?

At 7-foot-1, 239 pounds, with a 7-foot-2 wingspan, he has the requisite measurables for a player at his position, but Poeltl will be drafted with the notion of being a traditional center, and in that context, he is relatively undersized. His build, which was imposing in college, will look average against starting centers like DeAndre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, Marc Gasol, and DeMarcus Cousins. Teams will be drafting him with the expectation that he becomes a starting center, but his success in that role will rely on his ability to fully leverage his physicality, something he couldn’t consistently demonstrate in college game film. He’s not a stiff by any means, but he’s neither exceptionally quick nor strong, and he doesn’t play much above the rim. His effectiveness in the low post may not necessarily translate when going up against higher-level competition.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/6/21/16041310/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965

Meanwhile, Wright bought a lot of advance ball handling skills to the team, so even his shooting did not pan out, I think we have a few players learned from him in ball handling. At the end, it is not a bad pick.

Really? I think Poeltl could take on a Theis or Tyson Chandler type of role and thrive. I really loved his mobility.

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Already posted and discussed for half a page:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&start=3280#p85818960

Other fans like Celtics fans are aware of it, so I am not surprised his stock is going up. I think Celtics also needs size.

I was sharing a tweet reporting that the Raptors interviewed him. My bad if it was already shared, didn't see it.

Just for you to know if you want to go back to our discussion.
We are thinking his measurement would be higher than our pick due to his well measured vertical and acceptable wingspan.

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Ya it was pretty much Poeltl or Sabonis. I was hoping for Sabonis, though the thought around the board was with his short wingspan couldn't play C. Fastforward with the league going small, he can play C. SA need a C so Poeltl did his part.

Everyone mentioned OG as a hopeful to drop and amazed that he did. Delon was a safe pick as the thought was he was his brother with PG skills and would stick in the league for a while. Perhaps even becoming Alvin Williams with range.

Wright and Poeltl are the only ones expecting to be draft at that range. Meanwhile, I am not seeing Poeltl being a starting C, and he was a net negative on advance stats when we traded him.

Poeltl scouting report:

Where does Poeltl fit in today’s NBA?

At 7-foot-1, 239 pounds, with a 7-foot-2 wingspan, he has the requisite measurables for a player at his position, but Poeltl will be drafted with the notion of being a traditional center, and in that context, he is relatively undersized. His build, which was imposing in college, will look average against starting centers like DeAndre Jordan, Rudy Gobert, Marc Gasol, and DeMarcus Cousins. Teams will be drafting him with the expectation that he becomes a starting center, but his success in that role will rely on his ability to fully leverage his physicality, something he couldn’t consistently demonstrate in college game film. He’s not a stiff by any means, but he’s neither exceptionally quick nor strong, and he doesn’t play much above the rim. His effectiveness in the low post may not necessarily translate when going up against higher-level competition.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/6/21/16041310/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965

Meanwhile, Wright bought a lot of advance ball handling skills to the team, so even his shooting did not pan out, I think we have a few players learned from him in ball handling. At the end, it is not a bad pick.

Really? I think Poeltl could take on a Theis or Tyson Chandler type of role and thrive. I really loved his mobility.

I thought Tyson Chandler would have a long wingspan and standing reach, I suppose. 7'3 from some old forum? But there is no official measurement for him.

As for Theis, I don't think he is known as a shot blocker. Robert Williams coming off the bench clearly showed the shot blocker ability against our team with a 7'4 or 7'5 wingspan.

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Wright and Poeltl are the only ones expecting to be draft at that range. Meanwhile, I am not seeing Poeltl being a starting C, and he was a net negative on advance stats when we traded him.

Poeltl scouting report:

https://www.theringer.com/2016/6/21/16041310/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965

Meanwhile, Wright bought a lot of advance ball handling skills to the team, so even his shooting did not pan out, I think we have a few players learned from him in ball handling. At the end, it is not a bad pick.

Really? I think Poeltl could take on a Theis or Tyson Chandler type of role and thrive. I really loved his mobility.

I thought Tyson Chandler would have a long wingspan and standing reach, I suppose. 7'3 from some old forum? But there is no official measurement for him.

As for Theis, I don't think he is known as a shot blocker. Robert Williams coming off the bench clearly showed the shot blocker ability against our team with a 7'4 or 7'5 wingspan.

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You said that you didn't see Poeltl as a starting center. All I meant was that I think there is still a place for him as a low end starting center for a playoff team. I'm thinking he could be as effective as guys like Zubac, Adams, whoever the center is on the Rockets and even Theis.

[Psubs]

During the season his highlights made him looks soft. He's been hitting the weights and looks much better. That alone boosts him from early 2nd to late 1st pick. Sometimes players don't make that change.

Sorry you mean Nanji or Tillman?

Nnaji!

[LoveMyRaps]

Malachi Flynn has grown on me.

High IQ, elite defender, exceptional shooter, A1 numbers across the board.
And most of all... I love his development curve. The way he's improved in every statistical category each season is eye popping.

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Malachi Flynn has grown on me.

High IQ, elite defender, exceptional shooter, A1 numbers across the board.
And most of all... I love his development curve. The way he's improved in every statistical category each season is eye popping.

Watch on YouTube

Is that Josh Green at 5:18 admiring Flynn's shooting?

His floater is nice! Is he quicker than FVV?

I think Flynn could potentially be Mike Bibby.

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[RaptorsNorth]

For me it’s Nnaji (first round) 2nd round is a crapshoot. I’m hoping Tillie goes Un-drafted and We give him a 2 way deal. Don’t see him going drafted in a league that values 3 point shooting right now especially with the Giannis hunt coming up where teams know they need to put as much shooting around him as they can and thats a cheap rookie contract for NBA level 3 point percentage.

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Nnaji is 3 months younger than Josh Hall. Okay, off that wagon and on the Nnaji train.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Usually when we all start to like someone that player ends up getting drafted by someone else, we all get annoyed, and then that player ends up sucking.

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Usually when we all start to like someone that player ends up getting drafted by someone else, we all get annoyed, and then that player ends up sucking.

Players I figure would suck, drafted before our pick include Adam Morrison, Jordan Hill, Dion Waiters.

[DG88]

Kyle Boone's mock has us taking Flynn and Hall with both picks

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/

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Oturus numbers, seems smaller than I thought. Derrick Favors size maybe

[mademan]

Malachi Flynn has grown on me.

High IQ, elite defender, exceptional shooter, A1 numbers across the board.
And most of all... I love his development curve. The way he's improved in every statistical category each season is eye popping.

Watch on YouTube

Cant believe Philly would pass on him. Checks a lot of boxes for them. But even if they do, cant see the Lakers passing him too. Seems like the NBA ready guard they need