Spicy P's minutes are very concerning

[Hansari]

My man looks so burnt out, he's gonna have Demarre Carrol's legs by end of the season. Not good for play offs. Do you think coach nurse will figure something out to reduce the load? Sure, it may work short term to win a game, but come weeks when we play 4 games a week, this guy will have no legs to shoot from and we will give up winnable games like tonight. I understand injury to Ibaka and lowry played the major reason, but unfortunately injuries are part of the game and they will keep coming back. We got pretty deep squad that can step up as we witnessed. Cant nurse figure a strategy at least to reduce siakam's minutes from 42 to 36-37? Whats the problem throwing boucher/davis/jefferson into the mix for extra minutes? what is nurse thinking right now?

This is all by design. Pascal plays at full-speed throughout all of his minutes, a star can not be doing that - and that is not sustainable. Nurse is trying to get him to slow down the game and be more strategic with exerting his energy on the court.

Growing pains but necessary to prove a point and help w/ Pascal's adaptation to being a star.

[WaltFrazier]

Nah he's young and never gets tired. I am more concerned with a recent tendency to get flustered or lose focus or whatever it is

[SurgeIblocka]

Spicy is not even showing up in top 25 per in NBA scoring currently. Why is RealGM showing Pascal having a per of 19.4 ?? When he is really 26.2

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2020/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season


NBA PER (Week 4)
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 33.4
2. Mitchell Robinson: 32.4
3. Karl-Anthony Towns: 31.0
4. James Harden: 30.9
5. Luka Doncic: 29.8
6. LeBron James: 29.0
7. Ivica Zubac: 27.7
8. Damian Lillard: 27.3
9. Joel Embiid: 27.0
10. Kawhi Leonard: 26.6
11. Kyrie Irving : 26.2
12. Anthony Davis: 25.5
13. Hassan Whiteside: 24.3
14. Jimmy Butler: 24.3
15. Trae Young: 24.2
16. Brandon Ingram: 24.1
17. Derrick Rose: 23.8
18. Andre Drummond: 23.7
19. Bradley Beal: 23.4
20. Donovan Mitchell: 23.3
21. Kemba Walker: 23.0
22. Aron Baynes: 22.8
23. Robert Williams: 22.7
24. Malcolm Brogdon: 22.6
25. Montrezl Harrell: 22.6

[Boogie!]

Siakim on the floor tonight +3
Siakim off the floor -11 (in only 7 mins).

As bad as Pascal executed tonight he still draws all the attention and opens up the game for others.

Need Lowry back ASAP

Giannis only plays 33 mpg and the rest of that team is trash without him and they still win games. Nick nurse should be able to coach without having to play siakam 40 mins a game. It doesn't matter how **** you think the bench is, the season is a marathon not a sprint. When it's the playoffs all those rules can go out the window, but your star player shouldn't be burnt out 12 games into the season. Siakam is a hustle/energy guy, he can't function at a high level when he's grabbing his shorts because he's playing entire second halfs. It's not the playoffs. Nick nurse needs to wake up here.

Bucks have more talent then us and they arent decimated by injuries. Plus a lot of Giannis resting has been in blow outs. In competitive games hes been averaging 36-37 mpg

People keep saying the bucks have more talent when people have already posted stars showing just how bad they are without giannis.

Our depth keeps getting **** on, it's arguable that we're just as deep as the bucks. The problem is thst nick nurse doesn't trust anyone. They've all shown the ability to play in their minutes with ibaka and Lowry out. Nurse should be able to rest his guys more no excuse.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Spicy is not even showing up in top 25 per in NBA scoring currently. Why is RealGM showing Pascal having a per of 19.4 ?? When he is really 26.2

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2020/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season


NBA PER (Week 4)
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 33.4
2. Mitchell Robinson: 32.4
3. Karl-Anthony Towns: 31.0
4. James Harden: 30.9
5. Luka Doncic: 29.8
6. LeBron James: 29.0
7. Ivica Zubac: 27.7
8. Damian Lillard: 27.3
9. Joel Embiid: 27.0
10. Kawhi Leonard: 26.6
11. Kyrie Irving : 26.2
12. Anthony Davis: 25.5
13. Hassan Whiteside: 24.3
14. Jimmy Butler: 24.3
15. Trae Young: 24.2
16. Brandon Ingram: 24.1
17. Derrick Rose: 23.8
18. Andre Drummond: 23.7
19. Bradley Beal: 23.4
20. Donovan Mitchell: 23.3
21. Kemba Walker: 23.0
22. Aron Baynes: 22.8
23. Robert Williams: 22.7
24. Malcolm Brogdon: 22.6
25. Montrezl Harrell: 22.6

You're wrong. His PER is 19.4.

[SurgeIblocka]

Spicy is not even showing up in top 25 per in NBA scoring currently. Why is RealGM showing Pascal having a per of 19.4 ?? When he is really 26.2

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2020/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season


NBA PER (Week 4)
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 33.4
2. Mitchell Robinson: 32.4
3. Karl-Anthony Towns: 31.0
4. James Harden: 30.9
5. Luka Doncic: 29.8
6. LeBron James: 29.0
7. Ivica Zubac: 27.7
8. Damian Lillard: 27.3
9. Joel Embiid: 27.0
10. Kawhi Leonard: 26.6
11. Kyrie Irving : 26.2
12. Anthony Davis: 25.5
13. Hassan Whiteside: 24.3
14. Jimmy Butler: 24.3
15. Trae Young: 24.2
16. Brandon Ingram: 24.1
17. Derrick Rose: 23.8
18. Andre Drummond: 23.7
19. Bradley Beal: 23.4
20. Donovan Mitchell: 23.3
21. Kemba Walker: 23.0
22. Aron Baynes: 22.8
23. Robert Williams: 22.7
24. Malcolm Brogdon: 22.6
25. Montrezl Harrell: 22.6

You're wrong. His PER is 19.4.

No I am not, his per is 26.2. Go check every other site!

https://www.nba.com/players/pascal/siakam/1627783

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam

Now way with all the games Siakim has had over 30 pts that his per would be at 19.4! He is in talks for top 5 in MVP considerations.

This is a Major mistake by RealGM!

[beckham23]

I found basketball-reference to be the most legit for stats. They have his PER at 19.5

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/siakapa01.html

[JN]

Spicy is not even showing up in top 25 per in NBA scoring currently. Why is RealGM showing Pascal having a per of 19.4 ?? When he is really 26.2

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2020/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season


NBA PER (Week 4)
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 33.4
2. Mitchell Robinson: 32.4
3. Karl-Anthony Towns: 31.0
4. James Harden: 30.9
5. Luka Doncic: 29.8
6. LeBron James: 29.0
7. Ivica Zubac: 27.7
8. Damian Lillard: 27.3
9. Joel Embiid: 27.0
10. Kawhi Leonard: 26.6
11. Kyrie Irving : 26.2
12. Anthony Davis: 25.5
13. Hassan Whiteside: 24.3
14. Jimmy Butler: 24.3
15. Trae Young: 24.2
16. Brandon Ingram: 24.1
17. Derrick Rose: 23.8
18. Andre Drummond: 23.7
19. Bradley Beal: 23.4
20. Donovan Mitchell: 23.3
21. Kemba Walker: 23.0
22. Aron Baynes: 22.8
23. Robert Williams: 22.7
24. Malcolm Brogdon: 22.6
25. Montrezl Harrell: 22.6

You're wrong. His PER is 19.4.

No I am not, his per is 26.2. Go check every other site!

https://www.nba.com/players/pascal/siakam/1627783

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam

Now way with all the games Siakim has had over 30 pts that his per would be at 19.4! He is in talks for top 5 in MVP considerations.

This is a Major mistake by RealGM!

Seems like you are getting POINTS PER GAME and PER mixed up. They are a two very different measures.

I checked basketball-reference and his PER is 19.5 (Lower than I was expecting)

[SurgeIblocka]

You're wrong. His PER is 19.4.

No I am not, his per is 26.2. Go check every other site!

https://www.nba.com/players/pascal/siakam/1627783

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam

Now way with all the games Siakim has had over 30 pts that his per would be at 19.4! He is in talks for top 5 in MVP considerations.

This is a Major mistake by RealGM!

Seems like you are getting POINTS PER GAME and PER mixed up. They are a two very different measures.

I checked basketball-reference and his PER is 19.5 (Lower than I was expecting)

Lol damn your right i don’t know how I missed that one. Thanks for clarifying, in my mind i was thinking PPG and not PER lol.

[lolwut]

I'm a bit concerned about his defense, or lack thereof. Mavs players were blowing by him at will on the perimeter.

[Patman]

He go on and on
Can't understand how he last so long
He must have the superpowers
Last 223 thousand hours

[Kingsway_fan]

Expectations by fan base are too high for him... still a solid player, but not top ten in nba.... he doesn't dominate like say Luca, and others and per reflects this...

He has been missing a lot of gimmi around basket of late.... teams are adjusting to his moves....he should be better when lowry and ibaka are back...

[Hclass47]

He will be fine. He’s got young legs. Don’t forget he’s 6’9” and covers a lot of ground compared to Lowry or FVV for example

[durka]

Once Lowry's back and we have another guy who can initiate offence for himself and others I think we can afford to rest Pascal a bit. Against weaker teams I wouldn't be that uncomfortable starting RHJ or Chris every now and then. We suddenly have quite a bit of F depth with P, OJ, RHJ and Boucher.

[johanliebert]

for a guy everyone says is a top 10 talent these are nothing but excuses.

hes 25 years old and its early in the season he cant handle the minutes. nobody said this ish about derozan when he was the number one option.

like somebody else said the expectations are too high he's not a guy who can shoot consistently and teams are adjusting to his moves.

[johanliebert]

Hes 25 and healthy.

Looks burnt out? What a reach.

Reach? Well run teams dont play their players 40 mins. This isnt 2002.

A player like Harden can play big minutes because he slacks on D and often just takes step back jumpers on offense.

The Raptors style/Siakam style is to play hard every minute you're on the floor....when you play like that, minute management becomes all the more important.

Nurse's current distribution of minutes is simply not sustainable regardless of injuries.

every scorer slacks on defense. siakim doesnt even try to defend anymore and he leaks out half the time how much energy is he really exerting?

harden still has to dribble to set up that step back.

[Tanner]

Pascal played 35 minutes in a blowout when he should be playing that in a regular close game.

Nurse is going to Thibodeau him and then point to his ring to deflect blame.

[tecumseh18]

Pascal played 35 minutes in a blowout when he should be playing that in a regular close game.

Nurse is going to Thibodeau him and then point to his ring to deflect blame.

The Charlotte TV crew calling the game were shocked that Pascal was still out there in the 4th. They were trying to come up with possible reasons. "Keeping him in rhythm" was one.

[Tanner]

Pascal played 35 minutes in a blowout when he should be playing that in a regular close game.

Nurse is going to Thibodeau him and then point to his ring to deflect blame.

The Charlotte TV crew calling the game were shocked that Pascal was still out there in the 4th. They were trying to come up with possible reasons. "Keeping him in rhythm" was one.

Some coaches just don't have a long term view when it comes to minutes and workload. Clearly the load management for Kawhi was above Nurse's pay grade and he was just following orders. Nurse coached a championship team so no one is going to call him out for it, but there's really no way to defend this type of minute distribution. When Serge gets back I feel like we'll just see less (or no) Boucher, and Siakam will continue to be run hard. Same with Lowry. I think that's just what Nurse is. Just have to hope it doesn't cause injury.

[HiJiNX]

I’m more concerned with his cardio.

That said, he has to learn to score easier points on offence. Driving to the rim full speed every time he has it isn’t going to help preserve him with all the minutes he’s playing. He needs to remember that his main job as an offensive player is to draw attention, taking good shots when they’re there and passing away from the help when he can’t overcome it. He’s been slowly improving on this (rationing his energy and not forcing the issue) as the season has gone along. This is the first time in his life he’s been a number one option. It’s not an easy role night in and night out and not only is he struggling to figure out what that responsibility entails, but he’s also integrating new moves and maybe even putting too much pressure on himself mentally. He will grow and get better.

It’ll be interesting to see where he is at after the season is over, if we still have these concerns.