LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:RaptorPride wrote:Mikistan wrote:Oh nooooo
Made up numbers looks red boo hoo
Meanwhile people are dying, insect, bird, biodiversity populations are plummetting
Humans create more waste daily to keep those numbers inflated
Give me a break
What we've created is not sustainable and woefully flawed on a macro and long term scale
And what do you think we can do to fix it?
by watching the Raptors win another championship. duh
WINNING FIXES EVERYTHING
but seriously, i obvious dont have all the answers, its a question that has eluded humanity since the dawn of our civilizations. The more i think about it, the more daunting it gets -- you feel like you are a tiny person who can't do anything to change the world and then the apathy sets in. Then you turn the TV/computer on, drink your beer, smoke your drugs and forget -- as we all march towards our planet's demise.
Assumptions: People require at minimum
- food & water
- shelter
- positive cummunity/social interaction
Can argue these may also be requirements:
- people should have access to information (ie a free internet)
- equal opportunity bases to achieve/provide value to society though actions/work
- opportunity/freedom to enrich themselves physically or mentally as long as it doesn't limit other freedoms
To accomplish that, you need all humans to works for a collective goal rather than individual zero-sum games
Ie. expand the pie to everyone gets more rather than slice the pie until there isn't any left
I think Money as a concept is a problem - money is time, other people's time.
If you sell a product or a service, you are either selling your time (which is finite 24 hours a day, per lifetime) or takes up the consumers time (people using this app instead of others, or spending 3hours on this media rather than others).
We pay our workers based on the time they work.
So as a result, money can be hoarded. So hoarders/the 1% are essentially hoarding other people's lives and time.
Therein comes the concept of wage slaves -- you work 2/3 jobs just to "make a living" to put a roof over your head etc.
Then as a result, large city centers have grown due to proximity to work, increasing perceived land values and home prices (ie. toronto house vs winnipeg home prices...)
Some key tenements that would help:
- A bigger switch to more barter-transactions - service for service, goods for goods
- even distribution of food, the amount of waste is staggering, we have enough food to feed the whole world but we do not
- huge incentives for Waste reduction (or cripplingly punitive disincentives for those that do pollute) - the corporations that produce the garbage must be responsible for it.
- better balance between social services/healthcare and policing/military. On the one hand, a lot of the best inventions are created from military research applications and eventually find their way to mass culture after the R&D is done.
- That R&D should be pointed to space exploration and conservatism/cleaning the oceans (which we treat like a massive garbage dump right now)
Re: Waste/garbage creation
- the propoganda from the 50s still permeates society today. Companies like J&J, Mcdonalds, Coca Cola, PepsiCo etc.
They are a big reason for our one-time-use, disposable way of life.
it seems that the nationwide anti-litter campaign, which began in the 1950s, was a bit less pure in its origins. According to Heather Rogers’ Gone Tomorrow: The Hidden Life of Garbage, the entire anti-litter movement was initiated by a consortium of industry groups who wanted to divert the nation’s attention away from even more radical legislation to control the amount of waste these companies were putting out.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/05/origins-anti-litter-campaigns/They effectively passed the buck - putting the blame on consumers not appropriately throwing out waste - when its the companies themselves creating the waste in the first place.
All waste should go back to the original manufacturer.
Anytime you see a tim hortons coffee cup on the side of the road, in the bushes, that should be all taken out of landfills and piled up in their manufacturing plants and in their head offices.
This society created fake demand for crap products so that it could show profits in its next quarterly earnings reports. You create planned obsolescence so you can sell more, and the garbage from your product's packaging, and the product itself breaking just gets thrown out.
You can't say "just don't by those goods, boycott those companies" -- the waste already exists ... the plastic, the garbage, its already on the shelves
Insurance companies are part of this problem too --- we have create a "replace it" society rather than a "fix it" or "make it last" one. If you crash a car, its better for the insurance companies to take it for parts, give you money, and you buy a new one. Its in the best intrests of the car companies, the gas companies, the insurance companies, all for you to just replace everything...
Globalization has shifted the problems that companies had with higher labour and unions in the 1900s and offshored them to the developing world.
We have this out-of-sight, out-of-mind attitude where we only care about our current state of living/happiness --- even if it means our future generations - our **** children and offspring - will be left with a dying planet.
