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Post#41 » by Psubs » Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:39 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:Anyone have his synergy pick and roll number? I like the way he slows down like a veteran PG at times, which seems quite rare from non PG rookies. And his handle and passing are intriguing but we didn't see a ton because we have 2 point guards, a high scoring ballhandler in Siakam and even Gasol runs the offense at times, there's really a lot to discuss. He could be anything from a solid 3rd guard to a an all-star I think. We have a few years to decide before he gets that offer sheet you're thinking is low.


TD scores a putrid 0.68 PPP (23rd percentile) as the PnR ball handler this season. For reference, VanVleet peaked at 0.84 PPP (58th percentile) in 2017-18, and Powell peaked at 0.97 PPP (85th percentile) in 2016-17. fwiw I think TD will get much better in this area in the future with more experience and training.

Ell Curry wrote:Off topic but you got me thinking. Is OG getting maxed or a huge deal? A lot of young teams with some scoring talent but not much on D like the Kings, Hawks, Cavs, Hornets, T-Wolves, Grizzlies, Mavericks and Pistons could all badly use a guy like him to cover defensively for and space the floor for guys like Doncic, Booker, Trae Young etc...


Can't see OG getting a max deal from anyone. That's $30 million/year at least for someone who barely contributes on offense and doesn't seem to have much upside there. A huge gamble that probably won't pan out as expected.

I think he gets something like 4/60. that probably falls to something like 4/48 if the cap ends up going down.


Robert Covington signed a Powell like contract and is underpaid at $12 million. OG should get around $18-20 based on his trajectory and age. Probably what Capella got.

Actually, I think OG and Powell should get similar contracts; Powell for offense and OG for defense.
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Re: How lucky are we to have this dude on our team? (Terence Davis) 

Post#42 » by Kurtz » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:05 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:Anyone have his synergy pick and roll number? I like the way he slows down like a veteran PG at times, which seems quite rare from non PG rookies. And his handle and passing are intriguing but we didn't see a ton because we have 2 point guards, a high scoring ballhandler in Siakam and even Gasol runs the offense at times, there's really a lot to discuss. He could be anything from a solid 3rd guard to a an all-star I think. We have a few years to decide before he gets that offer sheet you're thinking is low.


TD scores a putrid 0.68 PPP (23rd percentile) as the PnR ball handler this season. For reference, VanVleet peaked at 0.84 PPP (58th percentile) in 2017-18, and Powell peaked at 0.97 PPP (85th percentile) in 2016-17. fwiw I think TD will get much better in this area in the future with more experience and training.

Ell Curry wrote:Off topic but you got me thinking. Is OG getting maxed or a huge deal? A lot of young teams with some scoring talent but not much on D like the Kings, Hawks, Cavs, Hornets, T-Wolves, Grizzlies, Mavericks and Pistons could all badly use a guy like him to cover defensively for and space the floor for guys like Doncic, Booker, Trae Young etc...


Can't see OG getting a max deal from anyone. That's $30 million/year at least for someone who barely contributes on offense and doesn't seem to have much upside there. A huge gamble that probably won't pan out as expected.

I think he gets something like 4/60. that probably falls to something like 4/48 if the cap ends up going down.


Robert Covington signed a Powell like contract and is underpaid at $12 million. OG should get around $18-20 based on his trajectory and age. Probably what Capella got.

Actually, I think OG and Powell should get similar contracts; Powell for offense and OG for defense.


Defensive SF specialists rarely get that kind of money; OG would really have to up his scoring to get into the $20 mil conversation.

At the moment, OG will likely be in line for the same deal Norm has - the same ballpark as Lord Covington, Justise Winslow, Mo Harkless.


That is assuming that this season happens and salaries don't drop drastically for the next few years.
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Re: How lucky are we to have this dude on our team? (Terence Davis) 

Post#43 » by Childs » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:11 pm

Didn't Derozan feel the same way?....
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Post#44 » by Basketball_Jones » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:43 pm

Childs wrote:Didn't Derozan feel the same way?....


Still does. We can only hope TD becomes half as good as the GOAT raptor of all time
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Post#45 » by -AirCanada- » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:34 pm

DD was genuine too

untill we decided he wasnt good enough



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Post#46 » by Psubs » Wed Jul 1, 2020 7:43 pm

Was looking at the lat draft. In a re-draft, which players would be taken before Terence Davis?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html

Zion
Ja
Brandon Clarke

Is that it? Not RJ Barrett?
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Post#47 » by MadDogSHWA » Wed Jul 1, 2020 9:16 pm

Re-watching games from last year and he's still really standing out. He had a putback jam VS the lakers that I initially thought was Boucher because of where his head was in relation to the rim.

Amazing catch and shoot 3 point shooter and also has step-back and side-step threes.
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Post#48 » by deeps6x » Wed Jul 1, 2020 9:45 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:
Childs wrote:Didn't Derozan feel the same way?....


Still does. We can only hope TD becomes half as good as the GOAT raptor of all time


You mean Lowry?
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Post#49 » by HolyMage110 » Thu Jul 2, 2020 6:27 am

Psubs wrote:Was looking at the lat draft. In a re-draft, which players would be taken before Terence Davis?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html

Zion
Ja
Brandon Clarke

Is that it? Not RJ Barrett?


Rj is just in a horrible situation. Look what happened to josh Jackson who's now in Memphis
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Re: How lucky are we to have this dude on our team? (Terence Davis) 

Post#50 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Jul 2, 2020 6:29 am

deeps6x wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
Childs wrote:Didn't Derozan feel the same way?....


Still does. We can only hope TD becomes half as good as the GOAT raptor of all time


You mean Lowry?


Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year
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Delon Wright
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Post#51 » by binjumper » Thu Jul 2, 2020 11:01 am

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deeps6x wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
Still does. We can only hope TD becomes half as good as the GOAT raptor of all time


You mean Lowry?


Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


If that's how you want to measure success. Seems more a personal accolade verses bringing the team you're considering a GOAT member of a championship.
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Post#52 » by TheBoi10 » Thu Jul 2, 2020 11:50 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:
deeps6x wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
Still does. We can only hope TD becomes half as good as the GOAT raptor of all time


You mean Lowry?


Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


No he didn't :lol:
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Post#53 » by KrazyP » Thu Jul 2, 2020 4:31 pm

binjumper wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
deeps6x wrote:
You mean Lowry?


Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


If that's how you want to measure success. Seems more a personal accolade verses bringing the team you're considering a GOAT member of a championship.


Lowry -Derozan were a solid duo who outperformed more talented duos across the league for several years.

Prior to the championship run, the Raptors had 3 straight 50-60 seasons with 2nd round or better results. 95% of teams never get to that stage. This was done despite the roster being littered with numerous journeyman scrubs, inexperienced, under-developed young players, a coach with suspect decision making and several players often playing awkwardly out of position.....the Raps had major gaps at SF/PF for years. Siakam/OG took time to develop into their existing roles....heck, OG is still a work in progress.

Derozan was a large part of this team's building process which led to their championship. He should get praise for his contributions.
A lot of the hate he gets around here is undeserved. Sometimes people let their emotions cloud their rational judgement. The struggles the Raps had against defending Lebron led teams distorts how much success those pre-championship teams actually had. In hindsight, if Siakam had developed into a legit 2nd option earlier and had the Raps traded for Gasol earlier, the performance of the previous teams could have been even better.

2015-2020 - has been the Golden Era of Raptors basketball. Everything prior to that was trash outside of 1 season back in 2000-2001. Lowry and Derozan are both GOAT Raptors in my books.
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Post#54 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Jul 2, 2020 11:24 pm

TheBoi10 wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
deeps6x wrote:
You mean Lowry?


Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


No he didn't :lol:


Please don't take B-ball Jones seriously when he raves about DeMar. It clutters up the thread.

Anyway, TDII gave good interview today, acknowledging what he has to do on defence to get minutes. He's got a good attitude. It all starts with a good attitude, unless you have a ridiculous amount of talent.
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Post#55 » by binjumper » Tue Jul 7, 2020 5:02 pm

KrazyP wrote:
binjumper wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


If that's how you want to measure success. Seems more a personal accolade verses bringing the team you're considering a GOAT member of a championship.


Lowry -Derozan were a solid duo who outperformed more talented duos across the league for several years.

Prior to the championship run, the Raptors had 3 straight 50-60 seasons with 2nd round or better results. 95% of teams never get to that stage. This was done despite the roster being littered with numerous journeyman scrubs, inexperienced, under-developed young players, a coach with suspect decision making and several players often playing awkwardly out of position.....the Raps had major gaps at SF/PF for years. Siakam/OG took time to develop into their existing roles....heck, OG is still a work in progress.

Derozan was a large part of this team's building process which led to their championship. He should get praise for his contributions.
A lot of the hate he gets around here is undeserved. Sometimes people let their emotions cloud their rational judgement. The struggles the Raps had against defending Lebron led teams distorts how much success those pre-championship teams actually had. In hindsight, if Siakam had developed into a legit 2nd option earlier and had the Raps traded for Gasol earlier, the performance of the previous teams could have been even better.

2015-2020 - has been the Golden Era of Raptors basketball. Everything prior to that was trash outside of 1 season back in 2000-2001. Lowry and Derozan are both GOAT Raptors in my books.



I don't argue Demar's contribution to this team at all, but to compare a statistical season of Demar to Lowry's championship year just doesn't make sense. One guy won the ultimate goal.
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Post#56 » by Psubs » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:25 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
Demar had much better seasons then Lowry's championship year


No he didn't :lol:


Please don't take B-ball Jones seriously when he raves about DeMar. It clutters up the thread.

Anyway, TDII gave good interview today, acknowledging what he has to do on defence to get minutes. He's got a good attitude. It all starts with a good attitude, unless you have a ridiculous amount of talent.


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Post#57 » by gaoj2 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:44 am

He and mcCaw is our future. I see a starting five with Siakam, OG, McCaw and TD. May be throw in Greek Freak, unbeatable
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Post#58 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:21 am

This dudes work ethic is unbelievable... he'll always be posting videos of himself working out in his room at 1am on snapchat. How can you not love this dude... He realizes how much potential he has and is willing to work twice as hard as anyone else to get there.

The result...



No doubt in my mind TD is destined for stardom.
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Post#59 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:22 am

gaoj2 wrote:He and mcCaw is our future. I see a starting five with Siakam, OG, McCaw and TD. May be throw in Greek Freak, unbeatable


A big 3 of Siakam, McCaw, Giannis will wreak havoc on the league :o
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Post#60 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:45 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:This dudes work ethic is unbelievable... he'll always be posting videos of himself working out in his room at 1am on snapchat. How can you not love this dude... He realizes how much potential he has and is willing to work twice as hard as anyone else to get there.

The result...



No doubt in my mind TD is destined for stardom.


He's like a more talented version of Derozan. We're very lucky to have this kid on the team.

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