realball wrote:Metallikid wrote:realball wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? The government can stop the official parade, but you think somehow thousands of people are still going to somehow organize their own parade or something, masked as a protest???
Are you like 12? No one with a straight head cares about basketball enough to be endangering themselves because of a championship right now. Do you remember how many kids were at the last parade? Do you think parents are going to be lining up for the parade this year or something? Don't act like a championship parade is anything like a protest, people came out to protest an important issue. Celebrating a god damn basketball trophy is not important.
We've been in lockdown for less than 6 months. Countries have been in wartime for 10x longer. Stop acting like this going to continue "indefinitely", it's not the end of the world. A missed parade two months from now doesn't mean we're going to stay in lockdown forever.
People will celebrate because shared group experiences are the core of human life.
In wartime people can still see their friends and loved ones up close and hug them and socialize and gather at private places close to other people. Wartime is usually about rationing and curfews. If you're going to argue that we're living like we're in Nazi occupied Eastern Europe then guess what, people won't live that like for that long when they realize it isn't going to be going away anytime soon.
People still came out and partied when Liverpool won the BPL. Lots of people are willing to take a risk to enjoy life. Eventually we all will have to.
Actually, I think life is the core of human life, and most people are actually worried about endangering their own life and their loved ones by gathering in huge groups. I have no doubt that people will party on the streets the night the Raptors win the championship, you can't stop everyone from doing whatever they want. But there won't be a parade a couple days after. You are out of your mind if you think the Raptors or the city or anyone else is going to organize something like that.
And did you just try to imply that wartime is somehow better than this lol? I am saying the opposite of what you think I'm saying: we're not living in gulags. Most people have been able to move on with their lives. Most people have found ways to stay in touch with other people. We're moving into stage 3 and most people are adjusting to this kind of lifestyle. Most people are starting to go and see people outside their bubble, just not in the same way as before. Masks and hand sanitizer are a sacrifice most people have been willing to make. We all want concerts, parades, clubs, and misc. to open up, but once again, a sacrifice people are making for the bigger picture.
No, life is not the core of human life, that's a null statement. I'm asking the age old question, "What is the good life?" and the resounding answer is this certainly isn't, not what we're doing right now if that ends up moving towards being a long-term state of affairs. Living means nothing if you can't actually do the things human beings need to survive - that's air, water, food, and face-to-face human interaction, touch and group experience. In the recent past when life expectancy was much lower than it is now people lived despite the risks, they gathered despite the risks when a flu or cold killed scores of people every year including many more young people. Sure, it sucks, but if Covid becomes endemic we'll have to bite the bullet and live normal lives again with the risk that we'll just have to fight Covid when we get it, and try to be as healthy as possible.
My point is there is no moving on from basic human socialization, there is a fantasy of ignorance that people are engaging in that this is in some way acceptable when many, many people realize even now that this is not tenable long term and will psychologically damage everyone worse than getting Covid, and much more for the young and those who don't have a strong social network. 100 videocalls can't replace sitting next to someone arm-in-arm. You can go look up any number of articles from 2019 about the loneliness epidemic and the mental illness epidemic. Do you think those things are getting better or worse? How much worse do you think they are getting? And my point is that no, it is not a sacrifice people are willing to make indefinitely because those are normal human activities that are a part of proper psycho-social development and wellbeing and they should take precedence at a certain point over the mere risk of catching or spreading Covid. Dancing with other humans close together, literally a human activity since the beginning of time. Going to places where people could share common interests and meet friends and talk face-to-face, literally a human activity since the beginning of time. Having gatherings of friends and family close together laughing, smiling, in close proximity, literally a human activity since the beginning of time. These things cannot be replaced or changed. People are operating out of a fear that is not in proportion to the risk. This cannot last long, and the government has no right to make these sorts of impositions in any way other than as an emergency power - and emergencies have limits.