Current Siakam vs 15-17 Demar

[RaptorPride]

Demar has no one else during those 3 years. Fred bricked every shot at that time, until late playoffs last year.

Pascal wasn't the same pascal we have now. We didn't have OG in full health. The most important thing is we had Casey.

So... is it solely demar's fault in the playoffs? I don't think so. People need to stop scapegoat and hate

What are you talking about DeMar had plenty of help.
Demarre Carroll, Patrick Patterson, Greivis Vásquez, Luis Scola, Terrence Ross, Bismack Biyombo, Brick Ibaka, Brick Lou Williams, JV.
Our supporting cast now doesn't even come close to the quality of players DeMar played with.
Look at all the defensive stoppers we had to hide DeMar. And Caseys pound the rock system.

[EarlyRaptor]

DeMar had his flaws, but Siakam is embarrassing.

[LJKO]

We all know we couldn't get it done with Demar which is why we traded him for Kawhi but to say Pascal is better then Demar is a joke. Demar 1 flaw was always adding that 3 point to his game and if your to ask me to choose between the two it's gonna have to be Demar of course. Thou Demar maybe **** in the playoffs but he's not gonna shoot this $hit at all. If we have Demar I think we could sweep the Celtics with ease because he'll get us buckets and go to the line to draw the foul which Pascal should but isn't doing.

[dTox]

demar by far, no need to debate/discuss, we did this many times already. siakams better defence still doesnt give him an edge

This is a brutally wrong take. Demar was one of the worst defensive players in the NBA and he was one of the least efficient playoff performers in the history of basketball.

buddy u clearly didnt see demars performances with san antonio and how much better he got under greg pop. he was already an offensive beast with us, add that with all the sht he learned with pop. ya i would bring demar back honestly. so u guys see it for urselves

This thread isn't about 2020 DeRozan though

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[dTox]

Siakam can still make winning plays when his shot isn't falling, I can't say the same for Derozan

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[Mak]

We all know we couldn't get it done with Demar which is why we traded him for Kawhi but to say Pascal is better then Demar is a joke. Demar 1 flaw was always adding that 3 point to his game and if your to ask me to choose between the two it's gonna have to be Demar of course. Thou Demar maybe **** in the playoffs but he's not gonna shoot this $hit at all. If we have Demar I think we could sweep the Celtics with ease because he'll get us buckets and go to the line to draw the foul which Pascal should but isn't doing.

1 flaw? I guess we forgot how bad defensively he was?

[LJKO]

We all know we couldn't get it done with Demar which is why we traded him for Kawhi but to say Pascal is better then Demar is a joke. Demar 1 flaw was always adding that 3 point to his game and if your to ask me to choose between the two it's gonna have to be Demar of course. Thou Demar maybe **** in the playoffs but he's not gonna shoot this $hit at all. If we have Demar I think we could sweep the Celtics with ease because he'll get us buckets and go to the line to draw the foul which Pascal should but isn't doing.

1 flaw? I guess we forgot how bad defensively he was?

Sorry forgot, 2 flaws then

All I remember is his passing game was coming along but his 3s is still far from reach even thou he say works on it every offseason

Note: I must correct myself about saying Demar is better then Pascal. Pascal has a lot of potential to be better then Demar but during these playoffs Pascal is showing me he's not better the Demar currently

[Oakvillehoops]

Derozan has looked amazing with the spurs this year. He’s been an amazing play maker and a very mature game closer. Plus he’s actually trying on defense. Not saying this means we should want him back, but he really is a much better player today

[nitrous]

Demar for sure.

[kingr]

This has to be a joke. Derozan.

[Airball Salmons]

Derozan can actually shoot and dribble.

[junot111]

We all know we couldn't get it done with Demar which is why we traded him for Kawhi but to say Pascal is better then Demar is a joke. Demar 1 flaw was always adding that 3 point to his game and if your to ask me to choose between the two it's gonna have to be Demar of course. Thou Demar maybe **** in the playoffs but he's not gonna shoot this $hit at all. If we have Demar I think we could sweep the Celtics with ease because he'll get us buckets and go to the line to draw the foul which Pascal should but isn't doing.

1 flaw? I guess we forgot how bad defensively he was?

I love how some people are just completely ignoring defense. Once you take the ball out of DeMar's hands, he's not even on the same level as Siakam. Moving without the ball, floor spacing, and playing defense give Pascal the clear advantage. People really hyping up DeMar on the Spurs this year as he led them to 11th in the West lol

[Randle McMurphy]

We all know we couldn't get it done with Demar which is why we traded him for Kawhi but to say Pascal is better then Demar is a joke. Demar 1 flaw was always adding that 3 point to his game and if your to ask me to choose between the two it's gonna have to be Demar of course. Thou Demar maybe **** in the playoffs but he's not gonna shoot this $hit at all. If we have Demar I think we could sweep the Celtics with ease because he'll get us buckets and go to the line to draw the foul which Pascal should but isn't doing.

1 flaw? I guess we forgot how bad defensively he was?

I love how some people are just completely ignoring defense. Once you take the ball out of DeMar's hands, he's not even on the same level as Siakam. Moving without the ball, floor spacing, and playing defense give Pascal the clear advantage. People really hyping up DeMar on the Spurs this year as he led them to 11th in the West lol

Most here do ignore defence because it is something that isn't as tangible to measure as scoring points. It's the same reason Marc Gasol has been perceived as a total scrub for the past two seasons despite his overall impact on the team's success being significant.

I still and always will find the attachment to a flawed, one-dimensional player that basically sunk this franchise for nearly a half decade bizarre, though.

[Chandan]

This particular game 5 aside, siakam has contribute to the defensive end way more than Derozan ever can. So.. no comparison.

[remiga007]

I am critical about Demar as much as anyone and believe he was very flawed player and put a limit on how good this team could have been. However current (meaning since about halfway through the season) Siakam is just not a good basketball player, period. So Demar by default.

More interesting question is if "good" Siakam instead of Demar would have made the real difference, meaning getting us past Lebron's Cavs?

[Anatomize]

One is a far better defender than the other and can switch on multiple assignments, so it's not really close.

[Vlade Divac]

I am sooooo disappointed in Siakam's play and offensively his stats resembles DD's playoffs "achievements". Defensively he is sky above DD so this OP is either delusional or a troll.

[NeoDragonKnight]

The real telling play was on Siakams 5th foul, he didn't score, and fustrated fouled the rebounder right after, could tell he was done at that point. He still has time to grow, I just hope he isn't Juan Guzman, who both played crazy good during their championships but fell off right after when the teams star power surrounding them started to dwindle.

[Lord_Zedd]

You had to do your best to hide Derozan on defense. At least Siakam can be out there on the defensive end.

[Chandan]

you talk as if Derozan 15-17 derozan was shooting 50% form the field except for his threes. He was atrocious at all points of attack. his 2 point FG% in those year's playoffs were 40, 39, 43%. He was literally Siakam this year but without the defensive effort.

And he wasn't guarded by Jaylen Brown. he got shut down by JR smith XD