Current Siakam vs 15-17 Demar

Danny1616 · Post #81 » by **Danny1616** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:34 pm

Difference is that Demar was a better offensively but not that much better in the playoffs.

However, Siakim is leaps and bounds ahead of Demar defensively.

Siakim has been struggling a lot on offense but he's a huge positive defensively.

Madvillainy2004 · Post #82 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:40 pm

LascelleL wrote:Pascal....He may have laid an egg on the offensive end, but his DEFENSE was there when we needed it. What does DeMar do when he gets locked up on the offensive end?

He sulks, doesn't hustle, loses shooters, rotates late, and gets blown by constantly. I honestly don't remember any big defensive plays he made in like his whole raptors career lmao

Vince_Carter15 · Post #83 » by **Vince_Carter15** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:53 pm

TheWave wrote:Demar could probably get us by Boston. I mean, considering Siakam has been pretty bad the majority of this series.

I know a few OG posters that can’t even look at realgm anymore and I swear its getting worse. I know its 90% good posters and 10% bad posters but the 10% is the loudest and the reason why the Raptors fans have a bad rep.

This topic, the should we sign Ante was way worse, and the recent topic if we should tank for high picks (aka Boston who has zero championships and are very unlikely to win with this core).

Demar was way worse as he was a minus offensively and defensively for all the playoff runs. If you dont recall he was benched the entire 4th versus cleveland as he was unplayable. SIAKAM has had one bad playoff (more like series) but nothing comparable. His defence in the 4th was irreplaceable. Not Ibaka or Gasol would of done that. Demar could of been replaced and a bench player may have been more productive.

everdiso · Post #84 » by **everdiso** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:42 pm

Starters Net Rating, Playoffs:

19/20: 1. Lowry +7.2, 2. Siakam +3.6, 3. Anunoby +1.8, 4. VanVleet +1.5, 5. Gasol +1.3
17/18: 1. Valanciunas +4.7, 2. Ibaka -1.2, 3. Lowry -3.5, 4. Anunoby -5.8, 5. Demar -9.2
16/17: 1. Powell -1.9, 2. Lowry -2.7, 3. Valanciunas -8.2, 4. Ibaka -9.1, 5. Demar -9.7
15/16: 1. Lowry +1.1, 2. Valanciunas +0.1, 3. Carroll -2.7, 4. Patterson -2.8, 5. Demar -5.4
14/15: 1. Valanciunas -7.7, 2. Lowry -9.9, 3. Demar -16.4, 4. Ross -18.3, 5. Amir -18.6
13/14: 1. Lowry -0.6, 2. Demar -3.7, 3. Ross -8.4, 4. Amir -10.7, 5. Valanciunas -13.2

Many raps fans still seem to not understand how horrifically embarassing Demar was in the playoffs for us.

His only passable series for us was his first one against Brooklyn. From there it was an instant massive drop to embarrassing black hole every other year.

Meanwhile, Siakam is so much more a complete player that even when badly struggling offensively he's still one of the most important players during a very good playoffs run.

Please forget about Demar. He is a stain on this franchise' legacy.

-AirCanada- · Post #85 » by **-AirCanada-** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:46 pm

Jesus Christ lmao

-AirCanada- · Post #86 » by **-AirCanada-** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:47 pm

Vince_Carter15 wrote:
TheWave wrote:Demar could probably get us by Boston. I mean, considering Siakam has been pretty bad the majority of this series.

I know a few OG posters that can’t even look at realgm anymore and I swear its getting worse. I know its 90% good posters and 10% bad posters but the 10% is the loudest and the reason why the Raptors fans have a bad rep.

This topic, the should we sign Ante was way worse, and the recent topic if we should tank for high picks (aka Boston who has zero championships and are very unlikely to win with this core).

Demar was way worse as he was a minus offensively and defensively for all the playoff runs. If you dont recall he was benched the entire 4th versus cleveland as he was unplayable. SIAKAM has had one bad playoff (more like series) but nothing comparable. His defence in the 4th was irreplaceable. Not Ibaka or Gasol would of done that. Demar could of been replaced and a bench player may have been more productive.

Yeah it's really bad.

You would think a site like this over reddit something would have less awful basketball posters.

djsunyc · Post #87 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:17 pm

derozan playoffs ortg/drtg/net

17/18: 107.9 / 117.1 / -9.2
16/17: 101.4 / 111.1 / -9.7
15/16: 102.4 / 107.8 / -5.4
14/15: 100.6 / 117.0 / -16.4
13/14: 107.6 / 111.3 / -3.7

siakam playoffs

19/20: 107.3 / 103.8 / +3.6
18/19: 109.0 / 103.8 / +5.2
17/18: 105.6 / 111.0 / -5.4

it ain't even close y'all.

Lukeem · Post #88 » by **Lukeem** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:19 pm

Chandan wrote:
RaptorPride wrote:
Lukeem wrote:
100%

Demar would be similiarily struggling on Offence vs a team like Boston, while giving us no hope of getting anyone else going. If he was slightly better on offence even if he was much better on offence which I doubt... Siakam is a way better defender and spacer for our other players to have a chance to drive... people are just short sighted in the recent past and frustrated with Siakam's current struggles.

The thing is DeMar never had the luxury of playing with a team this good. Go look at the players he played with here. Would you want any of them on this team?

Derozan would have just wasted everyone's time just like he wasted Lowry's prime. There's no evidence that Derozan from 15/17 would have thrived in whatever system we currently have.

Watching how well teams Attack a teams weak link on defence, which in our case has been Gasol and Ibaka (two very strong defenders ) what would they do with derozan on the floor - wouldn’t be pretty.

I love derozan for his time here and most of the blame might fall on Casey never holding him accountable but regardless this team wouldn’t be near as good if it had a poor defender like derozan in the rotation.

djsunyc · Post #89 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:23 pm

this thread should be comparing demar to fred, not pascal. fred, the 6 foot midget, took his starting SG spot and is better lol.

mademan · Post #90 » by **mademan** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:25 pm

Theres a reason that Siakam is still leading the squad in +/- even with his complete chit shooting and having his soul taken by Brown. Dude is still an incredible and versatile defender that (along with OG) allows the Raps to play such kinky defenses against the C's.

djsunyc · Post #91 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 pm

mademan wrote:Theres a reason that Siakam is still leading the squad in +/- even with his complete chit shooting and having his soul taken by Brown. Dude is still an incredible and versatile defender that (along with OG) allows the Raps to play such kinky defenses against the C's.

from game 6:

vini_vidi_vici wrote:According to the match up data, Players shot a combined 8/21 (38.1%) vs Siakam, including 1/7 for Jaylen Brown, and 3/7 from Tatum.

TheWave · Post #92 » by **TheWave** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:27 pm

-AirCanada- wrote:
Vince_Carter15 wrote:
TheWave wrote:Demar could probably get us by Boston. I mean, considering Siakam has been pretty bad the majority of this series.

I know a few OG posters that can’t even look at realgm anymore and I swear its getting worse. I know its 90% good posters and 10% bad posters but the 10% is the loudest and the reason why the Raptors fans have a bad rep.

This topic, the should we sign Ante was way worse, and the recent topic if we should tank for high picks (aka Boston who has zero championships and are very unlikely to win with this core).

Demar was way worse as he was a minus offensively and defensively for all the playoff runs. If you dont recall he was benched the entire 4th versus cleveland as he was unplayable. SIAKAM has had one bad playoff (more like series) but nothing comparable. His defence in the 4th was irreplaceable. Not Ibaka or Gasol would of done that. Demar could of been replaced and a bench player may have been more productive.

Yeah it's really bad.

You would think a site like this over reddit something would have less awful basketball posters.

With OG Norm KLOW FVV Serge where they are at now in this series? With Demar? Considering Pascal has been pretty awful this series I think the post stands, Demar would not be this bad with this company of players.

johanliebert · Post #93 » by **johanliebert** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:15 am

threads like these shows who knows the game.

how many times did you see the team literally take the ball out of derozans hands like nurse has for pascal recently?

derozan had bad games but he always could create his own shot and find the open man when doubled.

johanliebert · Post #94 » by **johanliebert** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:16 am

Lukeem wrote:
Chandan wrote:you talk as if Derozan 15-17 derozan was shooting 50% form the field except for his threes. He was atrocious at all points of attack. his 2 point FG% in those year's playoffs were 40, 39, 43%. He was literally Siakam this year but without the defensive effort.

And he wasn't guarded by Jaylen Brown. he got shut down by JR smith XD

100%

Demar would be similiarily struggling on Offence vs a team like Boston, while giving us no hope of getting anyone else going. If he was slightly better on offence even if he was much better on offence which I doubt... Siakam is a way better defender and spacer for our other players to have a chance to drive... people are just short sighted in the recent past and frustrated with Siakam's current struggles.

spacer? teams have let pascal shot 3’s all year akd close out very late what games do you guys watchi

dTox · Post #95 » by **dTox** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:02 am

DeRozan had to sit out the 4 q of an elimination game against the Cavs because of how unplayable he was, some of you guys are just total idiots

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-AirCanada- · Post #96 » by **-AirCanada-** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:27 am

TheWave wrote:
-AirCanada- wrote:
Vince_Carter15 wrote:

I know a few OG posters that can’t even look at realgm anymore and I swear its getting worse. I know its 90% good posters and 10% bad posters but the 10% is the loudest and the reason why the Raptors fans have a bad rep.

This topic, the should we sign Ante was way worse, and the recent topic if we should tank for high picks (aka Boston who has zero championships and are very unlikely to win with this core).

Demar was way worse as he was a minus offensively and defensively for all the playoff runs. If you dont recall he was benched the entire 4th versus cleveland as he was unplayable. SIAKAM has had one bad playoff (more like series) but nothing comparable. His defence in the 4th was irreplaceable. Not Ibaka or Gasol would of done that. Demar could of been replaced and a bench player may have been more productive.

Yeah it's really bad.

You would think a site like this over reddit something would have less awful basketball posters.

With OG Norm KLOW FVV Serge where they are at now in this series? With Demar? Considering Pascal has been pretty awful this series I think the post stands, Demar would not be this bad with this company of players.

Basketball_Jones · Post #97 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:35 am

I remember Demar blocking Lebron in the playoffs he was a great defender

agentzero2010 · Post #98 » by **agentzero2010** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:52 am

Siakam's offence is shiat. but his defence is still very solid.

Honestly, I would still take Siakam over prime DeMar simply for size, versatility, and defensive instincts. DeMar's offence was light years ahead of this current Siakam but he took a ton of isolation shots which would take away from VanVleet, Lowry and other perimeter players.

RoLo · Post #99 » by **RoLo** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:56 am

demar literally ended the spurs playoff streak. u tell me how valuable he is. spurs have picked off guys from the scrapheap the last decade and still at least make the post season. it took all but 2 seasons for demar to end that streak

RaptorPride · Post #100 » by **RaptorPride** » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:28 am

RoLo wrote:demar literally ended the spurs playoff streak. u tell me how valuable he is. spurs have picked off guys from the scrapheap the last decade and still at least make the post season. it took all but 2 seasons for demar to end that streak

Look at the team he had around him. How many players would lead that team to the playoffs? Why don't you talk about what DeMar did in the bubble?